The Official Tom Welling Thread

[Ardrhielle]

Not to mention the fact that Nolan's own superhero opus, Batman Begins, will debut its trailer with O12.

Maybe Nolan will still give Tom that cameo... :P

"they" were on here awhile ago, fishing around for reaction about a possible cameo. Some people loved the idea, yet most thought it would only make people pine for what could have been, now that we know he's not doing S-V.
I agree...a cameo in BB would be nice, but it would make me SO frustrated they don't sell brie at the concession.

 

[gdw]

I've found (for the most part) it's Welling bashers that bring him up first over there.

Aside from the fact that this is classic displacement of blame I have also watched many of the debates/arguments over there and even traced back some of the ones that I didn't follow and they have been almost always brought up by supporters of Welling. They may not be the best represenative of those who support Welling as they usually seem to be the more imature of the group, just as it would seem that those who bring up Routh over here seem to only be doing so knowing that they are disterbing $h!t so to speak.

But the point is that that is not an answer to my question.

I was asking about the frequency that it occurs here and there. Not who started what.

I believe that who ever starts what ever on which ever board is still being a bit trivial and only seem to seak to antagonize.
Gut I am curious whither it is more frequent there or here. I have not spent much time on these boards compared to the movie boards and as such am aware that I am not informned enough to know which is worse.
As such I am appealing to anyone who has a better idea of the degree to which the opposing actor is brought up on BOTH forums.

 

[Venom71]

As such I am appealing to anyone who has a better idea of the degree to which the opposing actor is brought up on BOTH forums.

Let me help you out here...Routh has no one oppsosing him...he got the part

 

[AgentPat]

Aside from the fact that this is classic displacement of blame I have also watched many of the debates/arguments over there and even traced back some of the ones that I didn't follow and they have been almost always brought up by supporters of Welling.

Where is "over there" (specifically) in the context of this sentence, and what time frame are you referring to? This week? Last week? Last month? Three months ago?

I was asking about the frequency that it occurs here and there.

WHY does it matter? If you've noticed that it occurs, you've also noticed that when it does - even in context with seemingly innocuous questions such as your own - it's going to stir the pot. Observe...

...it would seem that those who bring up Routh over here seem to only be doing so knowing that they are disturbing $h!t so to speak. ... I believe that who ever starts what ever on which ever board is still being a bit trivial and only seem to seek to antagonize.

...Routh has no one opposing him...he got the part

These statements, their inaccurate correlations and Routh's off-topicness here not withstanding, only serve to irritate.

Look, just because Routh's name is mentioned here, or Welling's name is mentioned "there," it doesn't mean that those who are doing so are doing it to disturb the natural order of things. The fact of the matter is there IS opposition to the casting, and arguments will continue to occur. If everybody were happy, your question would be moot.

As to where arguments occur most, pick a thread. Six months ago you couldn't swing a dead cat on ANY Superman film related message board without seeing the name "Welling" EVERYWHERE. It doesn't surprise me that his name still shows up from time to time on the film boards, and will in all likelihood continue to show up. Duh! He's currently playing the character on TV, and a LOT of people enjoy his portrayal. And while he may not have been cast for the film, he was favored by many at Warners for the role for a good 18 months (still is, in fact), and was the first actor under Singer to be offered the part, so his not being cast will continue to be a bone of contention among fans here and "over there." Where such discussion occurs the most merely depends on the day and thread - and who's posting.

 

[jas01724]

a good 18 months

Longer.

Oh wait, people are supposed to ignore me. My bad.

And Pat, where is that email you mentioned a few days ago? I'm an impatient little imp. *cough*

 

[gdw]

When these arguments were brought up is irrelevant, but they have been (the ones that I have mostly seen) since Routh was cast.

Also my point was that most of the times either actors supporters bring up the opposing actor it is either to disturbe or simply does disturb. I am in support of neithers actions and choice of timing and placement.

Also it is incredibly clear where 'over there' is as I was only refering to two locations, here (Smallville boards) and there (movie borads).

But again no one has put any focus into the question.
Is routh brought up more here then Welling is over there (the movie boards for those who weren't paying attention)??

That is what I want to know.
I am looking for someone who is versed on both boards rather then an affiliate of just one over the other.
I have spent little time here so I cannot have an accurate account of the degree to which Routh is discussed here vrs. Welling over there.

So can some one respond to my post by addressing the questions rather then excuses and being defencive against things that I am not doing. I am not complaining or supporting either side specifically, I am just looking for an un biased answer.
Please.

Glenn

 

[gdw]

And what's with the "" around there but not here. Are youseriously mocking the fact that it would have been very redundant to refer to the movie borads as the movie boards every time I refered to the movie boards? And yet no problems with refering to the Smallville boards as 'here' instead?

Why must you pick at the little insignificant things rather then what I am asking.

The relevence is pertinate aswell as I am asking something related to the specific board here and Welling there.

I want to know the degree to which people bring up Routh (in his irelevante and that is the point that it is off topic) here compared to the degree to which Welling is brought up over "there" and his off topicness there aswell. That is just it both situations are irrelevant to the board on which they are being brought up. I am just wanting to see how big of a problem it is on each board respectivly.

It's a simple question. Please can someone just address it rather then pointless argumentative dribble.

 

[rumpuso]

I would suggest you pm Sage. He seems to visit both forums regularly.

 

[jas01724]

Please can someone just address it rather then pointless argumentative dribble.

Calling what people say "argumentative dribble" is argumentative in and of itself, no?

I suspect you'll get a veritable barrage of useful replies if you ask your question over "there" (love inverted commas) in the Supes forum - trying to talk about Routh in the Smallville forum, in whatever context, is a fairly pointless exercise. At least Tom has relevance to the history of the movie; on the other hand, I don't recall Routh ever being a possibility for the role of Clark on Smallville.

 

[AgentPat]

Glenn, my responses are not defensive. Don't interpret them that way. But your question is an odd one at best. For what earthly reason is it important?

Timing is critical to answering the question because I believe folks have for the most part, settled-in with the status quo now. Two months ago though, it was a different story entirely.

Specific location was important (the "over there" reference) because I wasn't sure if you were specifying the Routh thread on the film boards, or the film boards in general. Have you posted your question in the Routh thread? If not, why? By posting it in only one place, you might get a biased answer. At least Welling is somewhat still on-topic in the film forums since he was offered the part. Routh is so off-topic to the SV forums it's not even funny - unless he's being compared to Welling, which should be the ONLY reason he's discussed here.

Regardless, I doubt anybody (this would include Sage) has actually taken stats on how many times "Routh" has been mentioned in all threads in the SV forums, or how often "Welling" has been mentioned in all threads in the film forums during a particular time period. People's answers will depend upon who they favor - and lets face it, MOST people favor a particular actor over the other. Denying this is to deny the obvious. But if your question is that important, you can just do the research yourself. Use the search tool to search on those names in the respective forums and count up the times they've been referenced for a definitive answer. Put a pot of coffee on first and have a Snickers bar, 'cause you're gonna be there for a while.

What it will prove is beyond me, however. Tom Welling plays Clark Kent/Superman on a show that's been on the air for four years. Brandon Routh has been cast as Clark Kent/Superman in Singer's film. BOTH names will continue to be discussed on all Superman-related forums for quite some time. And there may even be some heated debate about those individuals. Imagine that?

James - I'm still collecting "data." There's been a LOT of threads to go through and I'd like the framework to be as thorough as possible so adding info will be a breeze. So far, it's been a fun project, even though the material is sad in its relevance and outcome.

 

[Serene]

I want to know the degree to which people bring up Routh (in his irelevante and that is the point that it is off topic) here compared to the degree to which Welling is brought up over "there" and his off topicness there aswell. That is just it both situations are irrelevant to the board on which they are being brought up. I am just wanting to see how big of a problem it is on each board respectivly.
It's a simple question. Please can someone just address it rather then pointless argumentative dribble.

I'm not sure it is, as you say, a simple question.

I don't think the actual degree that either actor is mentioned in either forum is a quantifiable thing unless you are looking at a specific time period. Even then, there are extenuating circumstances that have to be considered. It's just not a black and white situation, if that's what you are looking for.

Before Routh was officially cast and the Welling thread was booted over here, there was ZERO discussion of Routh in this forum. Now that you have a gaggle of Welling Thread Refugees posting in here, Routh's name, or a cheesy pseudonym , does come up occasionally. I think that the majority of Welling supporters here have nothing personal against Routh except for the fact that we think Welling would have been a better Supes. Since he's not, Routh will hopefully do a respectable job, but he'll never erase the "what coulda been" from our minds.

In the movie forum, Welling, and anyone who dares to mention his name, have virtually become Persona Non Grata, regardless of the context he is brought up. Fairly recently that I was skimming posts over there only to run across a classy string of posts all referring to Welling being a "*****." Nice. So, there is likely much more reluctance to bring his name up over there as opposed to any of the other former casting possibilities, i.e. Cavill, Caveziel, etc.. Granted there were a handful of crazed Welling supporters, posting like angry 12 year olds, and giving all the Welling supporters a bad name. But for people to take their disgust at those particular loonies and extend it to other Wellng supporters.. or even to Welling himself, makes them just as idiotic as the loonies, IMO.

I think James made a good point - Welling discussion was valid in the movie forum, and it could be argued, still is, since he's a former candidate for the role of Supes. Routh discussion is only valid in the SV forum as a cause of disappointment in the TW thread here.

Clear as mud?

 

[gdw]

All I wanted to know was if it seemed that Welling was brought up more in the movie boards (post casting of Superman) then Routh was here.
The relevance is simply that it is a question about irelevant posts. I am curious to the severity of it within the boards.

This would be the only place that I can ask who often Routh is mentioned here as such it is only relavent to these boards.

It was just a curiocity and yet it has only been met with people giving round about amswers which are not answers so much as simply replys that do all but answer. Why so much effort into avoiding an answer then just saying "I feel/it would seem that Welling is mentioned more in the Movie threads" or "I feel/it would seem that Routh is brought up more here in the Smallville forums"??

That is all I wanted. Just seeing if it appears that the hostility is greater and in which direction, or rather the degree to which others feel it neccisasary to bring up the unneccisary but only because this seems to be the most comon and constistantly brought up irrelevent topic in either thread.

 

[AgentPat]

Glenn, your unbiased answer is just a click and a few hours away:
http://www2.superherohype.com/forums/search.php?

Don't forget the coffee.

 

[Serene]

It was just a curiocity and yet it has only been met with people giving round about amswers which are not answers so much as simply replys that do all but answer.

Or perhaps there are answers being given but you are simply not grasping what people are saying?

Why so much effort into avoiding an answer then just saying "I feel/it would seem that Welling is mentioned more in the Movie threads" or "I feel/it would seem that Routh is brought up more here in the Smallville forums"??

Okay.. I would say at this point in time, it's nearly a draw. Welling is mentioned across more threads in the movie forum though and Routh is really only mentioned in this one, mostly.

That is all I wanted. Just seeing if it appears that the hostility is greater and in which direction, or rather the degree to which others feel it neccisasary to bring up the unneccisary but only because this seems to be the most comon and constistantly brought up irrelevent topic in either thread.

Again, it's been explained that it's not all necessarily considered irrelevent.

 

[gdw]

I wouldn't say any answers to the actual question were given at all. That is untill your post, and thank you by the way that was all I was looking for, I'm sure you can agree that that wasn't as hard as everyone else made it seem.

The relevance and irrelevance is I guess irrelevant. The relevance of my question was what I was more focused on as that was being said to be irelevant because it brought up Routh and yet it was at the same time being argued that bringing up Welling was relevant. A bit of a conflict there.

But again thank you for giving an actual straight forward answer.

I did not come to antagonize. I am not fond of the BS arguments that are thrown around from both sides. I love Smallville but also am looking forward to the movie and, although I still hold my judgement of Routh, I am not going to whine with who they "should have, would have" arguments.

I like to be a little bit more impartial to it all. I hope I am not being viewed as someone who came to bash Welling and support Routh just because I brought up the later.

At least the childnish of the responses is not as bad as I have seen to ther responses given to people who bring up Welling on the movie boards. I apretiate that.

Glenn

 

[Serene]

I did not come to antagonize. I am not fond of the BS arguments that are thrown around from both sides. I love Smallville but also am looking forward to the movie and, although I still hold my judgement of Routh, I am not going to whine with who they "should have, would have" arguments.

I like to be a little bit more impartial to it all. I hope I am not being viewed as someone who came to bash Welling and support Routh just because I brought up the later.

No sweat..
Glad you're here to join the fun. Not everyone here is a Welling Refugee But I think everyone enjoys talking SV..

 

[triplet]

I'm not sure how I feel about this:


But I just clicked on the number of posts to find out that I'm the most frequent poster on this thread, Sage is the next most frequent.

What does that say about me?

That my Tom obsession is showing?

 

[gdw]

I went the search route and although the context that each is brought up is not known to me, I do have an actual better idea now.

I did two searches for each as I could only search with in the last month or three months and seeing as how Routh was cast in between those times and it was since then that I am interested I decided to split the difference so to speak.

The last month;

Routh in the Smallville boards: 10 results (I am assumoing that these ae just the number of threads rather then the exact number of times but still it gives an idea)

Welling in Superman Movie boards: 42

The last three months;

Routh in Smallville: 17

Welling in Superman movie boards:220

Yes 220 different threads. Wow. Again I can't know if they were mentioned by the Welling camps or the Routh camps and vise versa but either way by averages one could still assume that of the 220 there were more then 17 that were Welling camps who brought it up. Also this was the last three months and includes time before Superman was cast, but still in the last month there were still more cases of Welling being brought up there then Routh here.

Just some interesting numbers is all.

Perhaps we should just take it all as a hint that everyone needs to let it go and keep it on the appropriate boards. Routh is completely irrelevant here and there is no reason what so ever that he should be brought up. There is also no reason to bring up ANY revious contenders for the Superman role in the movie threads as the role has been cast and there is nothing that will change that. (Unless Routh dies or something and they need to re-cast the part, but untill that happens there is no reason to bring up replacments either.)

 

[jas01724]

It's important to take into account the slight differential between the number of people posting in the forums to start with - there must be AT LEAST ten people in the Supes forum for every person in here, so a 20/200 thread count comparison, when kept in perspective, isn't so unexpected.

 

[gdw]

You would be looking at that backwards though as it is the people from this board that are doing most of those posts. As such it would actually mean that rather then there just being close to 10 times the amount it is closer to a proportional 100 times more work being done by the peope of this board over there.

 

[The Sage]

I'm not sure how I feel about this:


But I just clicked on the number of posts to find out that I'm the most frequent poster on this thread, Sage is the next most frequent.

What does that say about me?

That my Tom obsession is showing?

Really? I don't even post in this thread much.

 

[jas01724]

You would be looking at that backwards though as it is the people from this board that are doing most of those posts. As such it would actually mean that rather then there just being close to 10 times the amount it is closer to a proportional 100 times more work being done by the peope of this board over there.

Most of the threads or other mentions that i've seen in the movie forum recently have been started by people that I rarely if ever see in here. I don't have any doubt that many of the people on this forum make posts over there, but those posts are usually in response to something (a thread or whatever else) said by someone who doesn't post in here; I thought the point of your little whatever it is was to find out who brings Tom/Brandon up in the first place, not who responds to the comments... regardless, let me do a little fact check.

Let's take the first 25 threads mentioning Tom in the Supes forum: The first is your thread. The second is the manips thread. The third is the Brandon Routh thread, where the most recent *****y comment was made my superfever - who just happens not to post in this forum very often at all. Then there's the Lois Lane thread, where Sverdlovski made a general comment about various candidates - and again, I don't recall seeing him in here recently. Oh, and the next is Superman threat thread, where Tom was first mentioned by Puck420 (See him in this forum often? Didn't think so.) in an unfunny manip, and then again by Sverdlovski who this time called Tom "horse-face." Next, in the thread about Routh's supersuit, darthbakpao wanted to make manips of lots of candidates, including Tom; and he doesn't post in the Smallville forum. There was of course also ScratcH posting about Tom in that thread, but he's generally acknowledged as being embarrassing devil spawn.

That's only six out of twenty-five threads, and actually I think I've already proved my point. Your point about it always being people from this forum who start/continue/whatever the arguments on the Supes forum is a complete fallacy.

 

[gdw]

It wasn't that the people from this forum are the ones doing it but that the people who are being obtrusively assertive about the actor who is irrelevant to the thread in which they are mentioned.

The so called 'Wellingites; are not comprised of only people here and I neve said that they were. I only used this thread as a reference as it is here that Routh is also brought up and just as off topic. The post which you qote was only in response to the previous one that stated that given the number of people posting would even the odds, I took where that post was going and followed it to just another conclusion that would be drawn from that line of thought too.

But the point is simply that, whoever starts it, it is being done way to often and for no reason in both locations. As I said before there is just NO reason to bring up either actor on the opposing board. Especially within the contexts that they are so commonly being brought up in.

Leave Welling here and Routh there is all.

 

[Venom71]

It wasn't that the people from this forum are the ones doing it but that the people who are being obtrusively assertive about the actor who is irrelevant to the thread in which they are mentioned.

The so called 'Wellingites; are not comprised of only people here and I neve said that they were. I only used this thread as a reference as it is here that Routh is also brought up and just as off topic. The post which you qote was only in response to the previous one that stated that given the number of people posting would even the odds, I took where that post was going and followed it to just another conclusion that would be drawn from that line of thought too.

But the point is simply that, whoever starts it, it is being done way to often and for no reason in both locations. As I said before there is just NO reason to bring up either actor on the opposing board. Especially within the contexts that they are so commonly being brought up in.

Leave Welling here and Routh there is all.

Read My Signature

 

[jas01724]

the people from this board that are doing most of those posts

It wasn't that the people from this forum are the ones doing it

Contradiction much? Most of your posts, despite your claims to the contrary, have primarily served to lay the blame with Tom's fans here in the Smallville forum - whether it was your intention or not, you've just proved Pat correct in the most blatant way:

If you've noticed that it occurs, you've also noticed that when it does - even in context with seemingly innocuous questions such as your own - it's going to stir the pot.

I can only suggest that you quit your little game before you piss off a lot of people for fanning the flames further. This project of yours serves only to exacerbate the very thing that you claim to want to stop.