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I'd do it....
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If you need a Bizzaro Moderator.... heh, heh, heh...
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triplet said:I like your new Avatar, btw!
If we get someone who spends a lot of time here, like Hulk maybe, it would be good.
That kind of person knows the regulars and maybe wouldn't be so heavy handed but could still keep things in check, like merging threads and warning trolls and spammers.
LOL Youre too kind. Somehow I think the Hype would see that as "Randle Patrick McMurphy" running the asylum...
you get a cookie if u catch that reference
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The Incredible Hulk said:LOL Youre too kind. Somehow I think the Hype would see that as "Randle Patrick McMurphy" running the asylum...
you get a cookie if u catch that reference
One Flew Over the Coockoo's Nest, of course!
You're talking to a film major here!
Actually, I think we watched that movie in class...
You gonna mail me the cookie?
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Now for a bonus cookie tell me which forum poster would be "Martini" and who's going to throw the sink out the window and escape??
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The Incredible Hulk said:Now for a bonus cookie tell me which forum poster would be "Martini" and who's going to throw the sink out the window and escape??
I'm not sure who'd be Martini, but I'd bet a big guy like you would be able to toss a sink just fine.
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Ummm... Pssst! This is the first time I've seen it confirmed. It aint just a rumor anymore...
From Sunday's Variety:
Studios mining moppet mania
Par, MGM greenlight Gosnell-helmed family pic
By DAVE MCNARY
Paramount and MGM are seizing an opporunity to cash in on families and the holidays.
The studios have fast-tracked a remake of "Yours, Mine and Ours" -- about two widowers dealing with a merged family of 18 children -- for shooting in April and release Nov. 23. Dennis Quaid and Rene Russo topline; Raja Gosnell, who helmed both "Scooby-Doo" films, directs; Robert Simonds produces.
The reason for the rush is pretty much a no-brainer: Duplicating the mass appeal of recent comedies about families like "The Incredibles" ($258 million), "Meet the Fockers" ($275 million) and "Cheaper by the Dozen" ($139 million), which Simonds also produced. All three were released during the holiday season, presumably primetime for such fare.
The success of 2003's "Cheaper," a remake of the 1950 pic starring Clifton Webb, is particularly persuasive since it managed to deliver laughs while differentiating between 12 children. Fox is developing a "Cheaper" sequel.
"Yours, Mine and Ours" also marks a milestone for both studios. It's probably the last MGM film to be greenlit before it becomes part of Sony around April 1; for Paramount, it's likely the final greenlight from studio chief Sherry Lansing before Brad Grey takes over March 1.
Paramount has proclaimed it's looking to aim its slate toward younger moviegoers. And what better way to do that than putting 18 different children up on the screen?
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117918206&c=1743
Just thought folks here would be interested in that little tidbit. Dum de dum dum.
From Sunday's Variety:
Studios mining moppet mania
Par, MGM greenlight Gosnell-helmed family pic
By DAVE MCNARY
Paramount and MGM are seizing an opporunity to cash in on families and the holidays.
The studios have fast-tracked a remake of "Yours, Mine and Ours" -- about two widowers dealing with a merged family of 18 children -- for shooting in April and release Nov. 23. Dennis Quaid and Rene Russo topline; Raja Gosnell, who helmed both "Scooby-Doo" films, directs; Robert Simonds produces.
The reason for the rush is pretty much a no-brainer: Duplicating the mass appeal of recent comedies about families like "The Incredibles" ($258 million), "Meet the Fockers" ($275 million) and "Cheaper by the Dozen" ($139 million), which Simonds also produced. All three were released during the holiday season, presumably primetime for such fare.
The success of 2003's "Cheaper," a remake of the 1950 pic starring Clifton Webb, is particularly persuasive since it managed to deliver laughs while differentiating between 12 children. Fox is developing a "Cheaper" sequel.
"Yours, Mine and Ours" also marks a milestone for both studios. It's probably the last MGM film to be greenlit before it becomes part of Sony around April 1; for Paramount, it's likely the final greenlight from studio chief Sherry Lansing before Brad Grey takes over March 1.
Paramount has proclaimed it's looking to aim its slate toward younger moviegoers. And what better way to do that than putting 18 different children up on the screen?
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117918206&c=1743
Just thought folks here would be interested in that little tidbit. Dum de dum dum.
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Oh, and while I'm here, here's another article, also from Sunday's Variety. This ties in with our discussions this afternoon about R-Rated films and what might happen with The Fog. It's a lengthy article, but quite interesting...
Don't give me an 'R'
Film rating slips in light of political climate
By GABRIEL SNYDER
Despite moral watchdogs lamenting Hollywood's vile tendencies, the studios have actually been cleaning up their act. R-rated films, once the studios' mainstay, are on the decline, both in numbers and in lure. In the last five years, R-rated pics have dwindled from 212 in 1999 to just 147 last year.
Perhaps even more startling is the fact that in 2004, PG films outgrossed R pics for the first time in two decades: $2.3 billion to $2.1 billion. The last time PG was bigger business than R was 1984, the year the Motion Picture Assn. of America introduced the PG-13 rating.
While PG films have been making more money -- "Shrek 2," "The Incredibles" and "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" were all rated PG -- the box office generated by R-rated films has been falling precipitously.
Since 1999 -- when the $3 billion grosses for R pics was 41% of all box office -- total box office has grown by 26% while R-rated biz has fallen 30%.
Of the 212 R-rated films released in 1999, nine made more than $100 million, a diverse roster that includes "The Matrix," "American Beauty" and "American Pie."
In 2004, only four of the 147 R-rated films released got past the century mark: "The Passion of the Christ," "Troy," "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Collateral."
PG-13 films have eclipsed R's as the largest sector of the market, grossing a combined $4.4 billion, a 48% share of the market.
No single cause is likely responsible for the shift, but many execs cite one factor: the voluntary guidelines studios and exhibs adopted five years ago. Those regs restrict the marketing of R-rated films to kids, which in theory ensures that only people 17 and older can buy tickets to R-rated films.
But no matter what has put R into free-fall, some filmmakers and studio execs have concluded that R is losing its commercial luster.
"Many things in Hollywood become self-fulfilling prophecies," says "American Pie" helmer Paul Weitz. "As soon as there is a whiff that a kind of film won't make money, fewer get made and less marketing money will go towards them."
"You're leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table with an R rating," says one studio marketing exec. "Why? For artistic integrity? Let's be real."
Pics that studios once would have released with an R have instead been trimmed to PG-13. The recent crop of successful horror pics, like "Boogeyman," "White Noise" and last fall's "The Grudge," have mostly been PG-13.
(At the same time, there is evidence that today's PG-13 is more like yesterday's R. Last summer, a Harvard study found that current films with PG-13 ratings and below had more violence, sex and profanity than films of the same ratings 10 years prior.)
Some see the decline in grosses for R films as a barometer of the cultural climate. "Hollywood has done a great job of making PG movies that don't just appeal to kids but appeal to everybody," says Revolution partner Tom Sherak.
But even those who are reluctant to conclude that today's kids are any less interested in R-rated drugs, sex and violence than they were five years ago, say the continued political pressure over public decency has changed industry practices and made it harder for R pics to make money.
Out of last year's four top-grossing R-rated pics, "The Passion of the Christ" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" were both unlikely-to-be-repeated anomalies. "Troy," which was seen as a disappointment despite grossing $133 million, did make $364 million overseas. But in many major foreign territories, it received a rating that allowed 15- and 16-year olds to buy tickets. Other R-rated pics, like "The Last Samurai," that have done bigger foreign biz than domestic, have also been less restrictively rated in big overseas markets.
Not to take a chance, Disney recut its own summer historical epic, "King Arthur," down to PG-13.
Before last year's Nipplegate, critics of slipping entertainment standards had set their sights on violent movies. Desperately seeking an explanation for why two troubled teens would walk into school and mow down their classmates, many commentators immediately pointed to the carnage depicted in films, music and videogames.
Within days of 1999's Columbine massacre, President Bill Clinton directed the Federal Trade Commission to examine whether the entertainment industry was promoting violence to teens.
While some lawmakers, including Sen. Joe Lieberman, drafted legislation, eventually both the MPAA and the National Assn. of Theater Owners adopted voluntary guidelines in the fall of 2000 to bolster enforcement of the current rating system.
For example, studios generally now refrain from advertising R-rated films during TV programs in which children make up 35% or more of the aud. Similarly, exhibs pledged to step up ID checks of teens trying to buy tickets for R-rated films and bar trailers for R-rated product in front of PG pics.
The FTC continues to monitor the industry, and in its most recent report, July 2004, said the guidelines were mostly being followed. Only a handful of R-rated films were advertised on shows popular with children and only 36% of under-17 teens were able to buy tickets for R-rated films, down from nearly half in the FTC's first survey.
"Exhibitors have done a really good job of trying to keep underage kids out of R-rated movies," Sherak notes. "And that's caused more PG and PG-13 movies."
During the summer of 2000, while Washington was putting pressure on Hollywood, Danny Leiner was in the midst of filming "Dude, Where's My Car?," which he said was pitched to Fox as a R-rated stoner comedy. He says execs at the studio, which just two years prior had banked $176 million from a body-fluid gag in R-rated "There's Something About Mary," made it clear he needed to start thinking about PG-13.
"All the studio presidents had just gone to Capitol Hill and testified in front of Congress," he says. "And there was a mandate that the movie just wasn't going to be R-rated."
For its part, Fox insists it always planned for the pic to go out PG-13. No matter, it worked: produced on less than $15 million, "Dude" racked up $47 million.
Leiner followed it up with another stoner comedy, "Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle," which New Line released last summer with an R.
Despite strong reviews -- the New York Times, sounding like it was enjoying a few tokes itself, argued the film "persuasively, and intelligently, engage(s) the social realities of contemporary multicultural America" -- "Harold & Kumar" flopped: $18 million domestic.
Jack Valenti, who is still in charge of the MPAA's ratings program after handing the rest of the org's reins to Dan Glickman, rejects the notion that the rating system he created drives the biz.
"The rating of a film doesn't have anything to do with the box office," he says. "If you make a movie that a lot of people want to see, no rating will hurt you."
Still, he concedes R-rated films have longer odds for success.
"Most producers are like gamblers in a casino. They want to go where the best odds are," Valenti says. "You'd rather have a PG-13 than an R because you have slightly better odds."
NATO prexy John Fithian says exhibs are happy to see Hollywood producing fewer R-rated films. "We have been calling for more PG films and a lesser percentage of R films for years," he says, adding that Hollywood is listening.
"Studios, looking at the commercial potential of films, have migrated some of their R-rated films into PG-13. We think that's a good move. We like big commercial films not being restricted."
Of course, no one expects R films to go the way of NC-17 anytime soon. Studios still look to capitalize on a market for raunchier product, on homevideo at least. Among the PG-13-rated films now available unrated on DVD are "White Chicks," "Anchorman," "The Chronicles of Riddick" and, rather inexplicably, "Nutty Professor II."
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117918193&c=13
Don't give me an 'R'
Film rating slips in light of political climate
By GABRIEL SNYDER
Despite moral watchdogs lamenting Hollywood's vile tendencies, the studios have actually been cleaning up their act. R-rated films, once the studios' mainstay, are on the decline, both in numbers and in lure. In the last five years, R-rated pics have dwindled from 212 in 1999 to just 147 last year.
Perhaps even more startling is the fact that in 2004, PG films outgrossed R pics for the first time in two decades: $2.3 billion to $2.1 billion. The last time PG was bigger business than R was 1984, the year the Motion Picture Assn. of America introduced the PG-13 rating.
While PG films have been making more money -- "Shrek 2," "The Incredibles" and "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban" were all rated PG -- the box office generated by R-rated films has been falling precipitously.
Since 1999 -- when the $3 billion grosses for R pics was 41% of all box office -- total box office has grown by 26% while R-rated biz has fallen 30%.
Of the 212 R-rated films released in 1999, nine made more than $100 million, a diverse roster that includes "The Matrix," "American Beauty" and "American Pie."
In 2004, only four of the 147 R-rated films released got past the century mark: "The Passion of the Christ," "Troy," "Fahrenheit 9/11" and "Collateral."
PG-13 films have eclipsed R's as the largest sector of the market, grossing a combined $4.4 billion, a 48% share of the market.
No single cause is likely responsible for the shift, but many execs cite one factor: the voluntary guidelines studios and exhibs adopted five years ago. Those regs restrict the marketing of R-rated films to kids, which in theory ensures that only people 17 and older can buy tickets to R-rated films.
But no matter what has put R into free-fall, some filmmakers and studio execs have concluded that R is losing its commercial luster.
"Many things in Hollywood become self-fulfilling prophecies," says "American Pie" helmer Paul Weitz. "As soon as there is a whiff that a kind of film won't make money, fewer get made and less marketing money will go towards them."
"You're leaving tens of millions of dollars on the table with an R rating," says one studio marketing exec. "Why? For artistic integrity? Let's be real."
Pics that studios once would have released with an R have instead been trimmed to PG-13. The recent crop of successful horror pics, like "Boogeyman," "White Noise" and last fall's "The Grudge," have mostly been PG-13.
(At the same time, there is evidence that today's PG-13 is more like yesterday's R. Last summer, a Harvard study found that current films with PG-13 ratings and below had more violence, sex and profanity than films of the same ratings 10 years prior.)
Some see the decline in grosses for R films as a barometer of the cultural climate. "Hollywood has done a great job of making PG movies that don't just appeal to kids but appeal to everybody," says Revolution partner Tom Sherak.
But even those who are reluctant to conclude that today's kids are any less interested in R-rated drugs, sex and violence than they were five years ago, say the continued political pressure over public decency has changed industry practices and made it harder for R pics to make money.
Out of last year's four top-grossing R-rated pics, "The Passion of the Christ" and "Fahrenheit 9/11" were both unlikely-to-be-repeated anomalies. "Troy," which was seen as a disappointment despite grossing $133 million, did make $364 million overseas. But in many major foreign territories, it received a rating that allowed 15- and 16-year olds to buy tickets. Other R-rated pics, like "The Last Samurai," that have done bigger foreign biz than domestic, have also been less restrictively rated in big overseas markets.
Not to take a chance, Disney recut its own summer historical epic, "King Arthur," down to PG-13.
Before last year's Nipplegate, critics of slipping entertainment standards had set their sights on violent movies. Desperately seeking an explanation for why two troubled teens would walk into school and mow down their classmates, many commentators immediately pointed to the carnage depicted in films, music and videogames.
Within days of 1999's Columbine massacre, President Bill Clinton directed the Federal Trade Commission to examine whether the entertainment industry was promoting violence to teens.
While some lawmakers, including Sen. Joe Lieberman, drafted legislation, eventually both the MPAA and the National Assn. of Theater Owners adopted voluntary guidelines in the fall of 2000 to bolster enforcement of the current rating system.
For example, studios generally now refrain from advertising R-rated films during TV programs in which children make up 35% or more of the aud. Similarly, exhibs pledged to step up ID checks of teens trying to buy tickets for R-rated films and bar trailers for R-rated product in front of PG pics.
The FTC continues to monitor the industry, and in its most recent report, July 2004, said the guidelines were mostly being followed. Only a handful of R-rated films were advertised on shows popular with children and only 36% of under-17 teens were able to buy tickets for R-rated films, down from nearly half in the FTC's first survey.
"Exhibitors have done a really good job of trying to keep underage kids out of R-rated movies," Sherak notes. "And that's caused more PG and PG-13 movies."
During the summer of 2000, while Washington was putting pressure on Hollywood, Danny Leiner was in the midst of filming "Dude, Where's My Car?," which he said was pitched to Fox as a R-rated stoner comedy. He says execs at the studio, which just two years prior had banked $176 million from a body-fluid gag in R-rated "There's Something About Mary," made it clear he needed to start thinking about PG-13.
"All the studio presidents had just gone to Capitol Hill and testified in front of Congress," he says. "And there was a mandate that the movie just wasn't going to be R-rated."
For its part, Fox insists it always planned for the pic to go out PG-13. No matter, it worked: produced on less than $15 million, "Dude" racked up $47 million.
Leiner followed it up with another stoner comedy, "Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle," which New Line released last summer with an R.
Despite strong reviews -- the New York Times, sounding like it was enjoying a few tokes itself, argued the film "persuasively, and intelligently, engage(s) the social realities of contemporary multicultural America" -- "Harold & Kumar" flopped: $18 million domestic.
Jack Valenti, who is still in charge of the MPAA's ratings program after handing the rest of the org's reins to Dan Glickman, rejects the notion that the rating system he created drives the biz.
"The rating of a film doesn't have anything to do with the box office," he says. "If you make a movie that a lot of people want to see, no rating will hurt you."
Still, he concedes R-rated films have longer odds for success.
"Most producers are like gamblers in a casino. They want to go where the best odds are," Valenti says. "You'd rather have a PG-13 than an R because you have slightly better odds."
NATO prexy John Fithian says exhibs are happy to see Hollywood producing fewer R-rated films. "We have been calling for more PG films and a lesser percentage of R films for years," he says, adding that Hollywood is listening.
"Studios, looking at the commercial potential of films, have migrated some of their R-rated films into PG-13. We think that's a good move. We like big commercial films not being restricted."
Of course, no one expects R films to go the way of NC-17 anytime soon. Studios still look to capitalize on a market for raunchier product, on homevideo at least. Among the PG-13-rated films now available unrated on DVD are "White Chicks," "Anchorman," "The Chronicles of Riddick" and, rather inexplicably, "Nutty Professor II."
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117918193&c=13
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AgentPat said:Ummm... Pssst! This is the first time I've seen it confirmed. It aint just a rumor anymore...
From Sunday's Variety:
Studios mining moppet mania
Par, MGM greenlight Gosnell-helmed family pic
By DAVE MCNARY
Paramount and MGM are seizing an opporunity to cash in on families and the holidays.
The studios have fast-tracked a remake of "Yours, Mine and Ours" -- about two widowers dealing with a merged family of 18 children -- for shooting in April and release Nov. 23. Dennis Quaid and Rene Russo topline; Raja Gosnell, who helmed both "Scooby-Doo" films, directs; Robert Simonds produces.
The reason for the rush is pretty much a no-brainer: Duplicating the mass appeal of recent comedies about families like "The Incredibles" ($258 million), "Meet the Fockers" ($275 million) and "Cheaper by the Dozen" ($139 million), which Simonds also produced. All three were released during the holiday season, presumably primetime for such fare.
The success of 2003's "Cheaper," a remake of the 1950 pic starring Clifton Webb, is particularly persuasive since it managed to deliver laughs while differentiating between 12 children. Fox is developing a "Cheaper" sequel.
"Yours, Mine and Ours" also marks a milestone for both studios. It's probably the last MGM film to be greenlit before it becomes part of Sony around April 1; for Paramount, it's likely the final greenlight from studio chief Sherry Lansing before Brad Grey takes over March 1.
Paramount has proclaimed it's looking to aim its slate toward younger moviegoers. And what better way to do that than putting 18 different children up on the screen?
http://www.variety.com/story.asp?l=story&a=VR1117918206&c=1743
Just thought folks here would be interested in that little tidbit. Dum de dum dum.
LOL!
Do you think Tom's part might be a tad bigger in this one, then?
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Serene said:
are you the naughty nurse type Serene?
triplet said:I'm not sure who'd be Martini, but I'd bet a big guy like you would be able to toss a sink just fine.
Nah I'm Randle, I cant be the crazy Indian. Maybe James can play that part?
Oh and for "Martini" defintitely TomWelling4Supes...
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If he's even IN it. The article didn't specify whether the studio would be using the same cast, so I have no clue. [shrugs]triplet said:
Wow! Has there been a flood of news recently or what?!! This is GREAT!
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The Incredible Hulk said:are you the naughty nurse type Serene?
Nah I'm Randle, I cant be the crazy Indian. Maybe James can play that part?
James ain't nearly big enough, from what he's said... I thought you were a tall guy.
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triplet said:
6 foot 1, on the nose. I'd probably come up to Wellings eyes....I'll go try to pick up my sink and let ya know
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I think Tom Welling would be a great choice as Spike Witwicky in the upcoming live-action Transformers film.
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go tom, but i hope he doesn't do cheap bt dozen 2. he does not need that. does anyone know when they are shooting for a release for the fog remake.
also quick side question, anyone here see constnatine and what did you think.
p.s i liked it by the way
also quick side question, anyone here see constnatine and what did you think.
p.s i liked it by the way
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portland2002 said:
yeah cool thinking there
wait a min, is this the smallville forum or tom welling movie star forum. lol
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Thunder Emperor said:yeah cool thinking there
wait a min, is this the smallville forum or tom welling movie star forum. lol
The Official Tom Welling Thread. Thought I'd add in a few thoughts about TW. Of course, I'm still disappointed that he didn't nab a certain big screen role due in 2006. Oh well.
Welling for Spike!
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http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/589/589748p1.html
i found this, i didn't think the movie would be coming out this year. damn it doesn't look good.
who has watched constnatine dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i found this, i didn't think the movie would be coming out this year. damn it doesn't look good.
who has watched constnatine dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It doesn't say anything different The Fog will be out on October 14th of this year. I don't mind him doing the CBTD seguel now that he's doing something else besides they will probably age Charlie he was a senior in the last one.Thunder Emperor said:http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/589/589748p1.html
i found this, i didn't think the movie would be coming out this year. damn it doesn't look good.
who has watched constnatine dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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