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Revenge of the Fallen The official Transformers:Revenge Of The Fallen movie critics review thread

My actual biggest problem with Bad Boys II was Martin Lawrence. I like him usually, but they made his character way too whiny. I thought it was too long as well. I liked everything else about the movie though, but Part 1 is better
 
I think the fact that we're now seeing a LOT of bad reviews from critics who gave the first TF movie a pass or even liked it a lot is speaking volumes.
 
btw .
I had a feeling this movie might suffer due to the writers strike . Of course Bay ( and co.) will have a hand in the negative reviews that this movie getting.
Here's what the writers said about ROTF :
http://www.superherohype.com/news/transformersnews.php?id=8443
Superhero Hype!: We talked briefly about this last year, but you wrote this before the writers strike and were you able to do some work on it after it was over and before it started shooting?

Roberto Orci: We took the job with Ehren Kruger two weeks before the strike so in that two weeks, we had to generate a 20-page outline that we handed in, and then during the strike, Michael and the amazing (producer) Ian Bryce tried to prep everything they could off of that outline. Then from the day the strike ended to the first day of shooting was three months, so we had to write the script in those three months, handing in pages at the end of every day so they could be prepped. It was crazy. We finished writing the movie two weeks ago, literally.

Alex Kurtzman: Because you're writing lines for the robots in post. Not only did we rewrite on set but we spent the last six months with Michael in post, cutting the movie and writing the lines for the robots, just making jokes or making plot points more clear. Literally, they had to just rip it out of our dead hands the other day. (chuckles)
 
The thing is though, the movie magnifies all the problems and flaws of the first one and makes them worse.
 
The thing is though, the movie magnifies all the problems and flaws of the first one and makes them worse.

Well 'tomorrow i'll see if all of that is true or not. Bougt my IMAX tickets so i wanna see how the negrobots ( LatinoReview had me lolling) are.
 
That's what happens when you rush a movie into production during the strike to meet a stupid arbitrary deadline of summer 2009 instead of giving an important tentpole the time it deserves.
 
So Vile, who do you blame, Bay or the writers for this supposed embarrassment?
 
So Vile, who do you blame, Bay or the writers for this supposed embarrassment?
Writers..It all starts with a script. I also blame Michael By for making this POS film...can't he see/read quality???
 
To be honest, I hated hated Bad Boys 2 but liked Bad Boys 1.

I love action movies as much as the next guy, but Bad Boys 2 didn't click with me for some odd reason, and yeah, I'm getting a Bad Boys 2 vibe from Transformers 2 as well. We'll see.

The original Bad Boys is a great movie. :hyper:
 
The first Transformers was a mess of a film. Horrible plot, bad dialgoue, just an excuse to show off CGI, with horrible editing that caused many headaches.

This films looks like the same thing, but except for an excuse to show off CGI, add in "CGI and Megan Fox"
 
The showed off the sfx and Megan Fox in the first film as well. I agree that this movie is the exact same as the first, but bigger. If you didn't like the first, then you won't like this. If you went crazy for the first, then you will go crazy for this one.
 
As expected, Walter Chaw at Film Freak Central tears ROTF a new robot-thruster opening...

http://filmfreakcentral.net/screenreviews/transformers2.htm

"The Problem With Michael Bay is that He Hates You"

The worst summer in recent memory continues as Michael Bay brings his slow push-ins and Lazy Susan dolly shots back to the cineplex with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (hereafter Transformers 2), the ugliest, most hateful, most simple-minded and incomprehensible assault on art and decency since the last Michael Bay movie. It's bad (that goes without saying), and it's possible that even its fans will have the brute sense to recognize that it's bad--but it's bad in such a way that defies easy description. It's so bad, it's exasperating. The action, as you'd expect, is impossible to follow, with long stretches cascading in on one another without the slightest notion of who's winning, where, and to what end. But that's not why it's bad. It suggests that the evil robots have perfected Terminator technology in the manufacture of a gorgeous ****-bot (Isabel Lucas), who, before trying to kill the returning Sam (Shia LaBeouf) with her go-go-gadget tongue, is humiliated by having heroic Autobot Bumblebee money-shot robot semen all over her face. But that's not why it's bad, either. Ridiculously poor filmmaking and Bay's wearying misogyny aren't "bad," per se, so much as they're the tools of his auteur canon, of his absolute gold-standard grasp of what it is that prepubescent boys are into and his desire to, as fast as he can, create undercover hardcore porn to gratify those desires. What else to make of the weird girl issues--the entire co-ed Michael Bay U campus populated with hot bimbo chattel, Bay's camera leering obligingly? It's tough to make someone feel sorry for Megan Fox, yet the extent to which she's objectified in this flick has you looking for track marks, smeared mascara, and other evidence of bus-stop porn-star exploitation.



Neither is it bad because of an appalling racism that sees white actor Tom Kenny doing the voices of Mudflap and Skids, Amos & (gold-toothed) Andy robots who declare themselves to be illiterate after a film-long minstrel show. No, Transformers 2 is bad because it represents every single vile, puny thing that's wrong with the United States. It's ignorant, boorish, loud, and proud of it. It takes a moment to imply that Obama is a ***** for appointing some suit to run super-secret, massively-destructive human/Autobot strikeforce NEST, then expels said suit out the back of a cargo plane carrying a bunch of grunts who need to be told that a desert full of Egyptians are "friendlies." Unless we've been at war with Egypt, of course they're ****ing friendlies--exactly whom is Bay educating? He's educating the audience assembled to watch Transformers 2, naturally, because said audience is packed to bursting with idiots on the one hand and people hoping against hope to recapture something of their lost youth on the other. The problem with Bay is that he hates you. He thinks you're a moron and then you go about proving him right by making his movies obscenely popular. He also hates the Transformers as a cultural relic, having them fart and piss and **** and, in a fairly embarrassing moment in an embarrassing film, sport a pair of giant testicles. Of minor interest is the fact that Bumblebee, unable to speak but in borrowed sound bites, favours Tom Hanks' heroic astronaut Jim Lovell and ******ed Republican shrimp farmer Forrest Gump. It's proof positive that Bay is a smart guy, smart enough to understand that Hanks is the voice of the American everyman--meaning Bay isn't dangerous accidentally.

As if it matters, Sam is going to college when giant robots start fighting each other and his hot girlfriend dry-humps a motorcycle and runs in a halter top and slow-motion. Is it pointless? It's at least pointless. It's also cacophonous and bloated with testosterone, a loud picture of Michael Bay's tiny bicep inflated with ILM and THX sound, speckled with what he thinks is funny, like two little gay dogs ****ing each other (and a tiny robot leg-humping Megan Fox), for instance, or those old standards of elder/bimbo/Stepin Fetchit humour. Transformers 2 is a dossier on Bay's shortcomings as a human being and, sadly, by extension it's a snapshot of how we scramble to indulge the worst things in our nature in the dark, in the company of others destined to be either victim or victimizer in their own sad dramas. It's a primer on how we learn to make war by falling in love with the weapons of war without assimilating the real message of Bay's films that all that firepower is the vehicle of male sexual frustration, insecurity, and inadequacy. This is without stopping to consider Bay's trademark collateral toll: hundreds in Shanghai, thousands as all hands go down with an American aircraft carrier, dozens and their camels in the Egyptian village, and the dignity of everyone involved. Running at around 140 minutes (with a good forty of those taken up by lacklustre flying-the-nest drama featuring Sam's parents), it's as much a dusty monument to the self as the pyramid Transformers 2 destroys at its conclusion--a futile grab at immortality, a collection of screamed performances, shooting at stuff that isn't damaged by shooting, and destined to be a gaudy testimonial to our humiliating, cyclical indulgence of bellicose policies and antiquated social attitudes. It's all so last administration.-Walter Chaw
 
Wow! Tell us how you really feel Walter! lol
 
The showed off the sfx and Megan Fox in the first film as well. I agree that this movie is the exact same as the first, but bigger. If you didn't like the first, then you won't like this. If you went crazy for the first, then you will go crazy for this one.

But Fox is much bigger now then last time (since TF1 really got her known).
 
Judging by the reviews the movie sounds like the first one to me...so what are the critics who liked the first one's problems with it?

Did they just wake up and suddenly realize what I knew a few months after watching the flick on DVD? It just wasn't a good movie, it only seemed somewhat okay because Spider-Man 3, Shriek 3 and Pirates 3 sucked so hard and disappointed almost everyone.

All I can say is welcome to reality critics you are atleast a year and a half late.
 
These movies are crowd pleasers. The same crowds that make films "the real fans" hate, successful.

This movie was made to entertain and entertain only, and based on what I've seen, it will do so in spades. I really don't think general audiences are going to complain that it's somehow "too loud".
 
These movies are crowd pleasers. The same crowds that make films "the real fans" hate, successful.

This movie was made to entertain and entertain only, and based on what I've seen, it will do so in spades. I really don't think general audiences are going to complain that it's somehow "too loud".
Too loud was the LEAST of this turd's problems.
 
Vile, did you like/enjoy the first movie at all?
 
These movies are crowd pleasers. The same crowds that make films "the real fans" hate, successful.

This movie was made to entertain and entertain only, and based on what I've seen, it will do so in spades. I really don't think general audiences are going to complain that it's somehow "too loud".

X2 was entertaining,The Bourne Ultimatum was entertaining,so were TDK and Iron Man...but they all had a story that wasn't pushed aside for entertainment purposes only.

A lot of superhero movies/blockbusters have excellent reviews so it's not like the critics have a vendetta against TF,which btw had a 57% the last time around.

This has 28% with an average rating of 4,4/10 which is atrocious.

I don't care if people make babies in the future while watching the movie,it's a personal taste and preference...but when someone blames other people for actually wanting at least a somewhat decent story or dialogue(no one is really expecting Oscar Wilde style dialogue here)
there's something wrong with that.

Like i've said with the aforementioned movies,it's not uncommon of having a blast while also caring for the characters,their storylines,their connections and their interactions.
 
These movies are crowd pleasers. The same crowds that make films "the real fans" hate, successful.

This movie was made to entertain and entertain only, and based on what I've seen, it will do so in spades. I really don't think general audiences are going to complain that it's somehow "too loud".

There is such a thing as overkill though. If the movie is loud the entire way through, after a while that becomes pretty annoying. The first one had a little bit of character development/slower moments at the beginning with Sam. The rest of the movie was loud all the way through. If all 2 hours, 20 minutes of TF2 are similar to that, then it will be a tiring experience for some moviegoers.
 
That's a pretty huge drop in RT% from the 1st movie to the 2nd regardless.
 

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