The Official "UP WITH QUESADA" Thread

[deemar325]

Why?

 

[Anubis]

Maybe it's because, I don't, I just don't care too much about all the stuff he's supposedly messed up. Never been that big of a Spider-Man fan, so his part in the Sins past fiasco doesn't really bother me. I've enjoyed a lot of the "Unverse". Like people have stated before, he may have ignored the fantasy and cosmic aspects of Marvel at first, but he's since made up for that with the return of Thor, I guess those Mystic Arcana books, (Which I haven't read.) and the awesomeness that was annihilation. Dug Civil War, didn't care for House of M and what he's done with the X-Men, but then again, I was never that much of an X-Men fan to begin with, so, no sweat off my sack.

But I'd have to say the real reason I'm indifferent to the guy is, what's the point in hating the guy or even loving the guy? Editorial mandates can only do so much. Everything ultimately comes down to the writer, and the artist. When Joe told JMS he couldn't make those kids Spider-man's, he could have killed the story. Instead, he chose to make a possibly bad situation much much worse. Bendis, and pretty much all the guys on the X books (Except PAD on X-Factor and whoever did that Son of M mini. ) dropped the ball from House of M on. So, I guess ultimately, I don't think he's done that much to really, I don't know, give a crap about. Nothing that you can pin entirely upon his head at least.

 

[deemar325]

I see your point.

So I should still continue to hate Bendis!


Excellent!

 

[Varient]

I see your point.

So I should still continue to hate Bendis!


Excellent!

LOL

 

[FatalEnergy]

I saw him at the Ultimate U panel at sdcc. He seemed like a cool guy. He's made some interesting decisions, but I dont mind.

 

[deemar325]

Joey Q is probaly a great guy in his personal life, maybe he's just a annoying windbag as his shtick.

 

[Miss Webb]

LOL, at first I thought this was an "UP QUESADA!" thread, until I read it more closely. t:

I'm not saying everything he's done has been bad. In fact, a few things I agree with...it's just the hamfisted way stuff is jammed at us tends to be a bit much.

 

[Doc Destruction]

He reminds me of Barry Bonds, hes makes Baseball revelant and interesting, but he's a total scuzzball and ultimately dirty the game.

Thats how I feel about Joe Q.

Wow, beautiful reference.

 

[iloveclones]

It always surprises me how much people get caught up in personalities. I really don't care about that at all. I want JQ to do 1 thing in life, and that is publish entertaining comics, which I think he does. If fans feel like they need some kind of validation by getting him to admit an error, well, that's their problem. I'm willing to bet that if I met them in real life, I wouldn't like Stan Lee or Steve Ditko (who, respectively, on the surface come across as a used car salesman and a paranoid conservative nutjob.) I'm pretty sure that goes double for John Byrne (paranoid liberal nutjob). And I may actually want to dump McFarlane into a vat of ferrets. But I would never take away what they've done or the fact that they are legends of the industry (well, maybe not McFarlane)

I don't know these guys. I'm never going to know them. To paraphrase something that I told my girl-friend's daughter about her MySpace "friends": None of the above listed people are ever going to show up for my birthday. They won't be there for a wedding, a sickness, a promotion, or even when I've had a bad day. They are not my friends, and their opinion of me, frankly, means nothing to me.

I think JQ is the best EIC since Jim Shooter. I have never enjoyed comics so much. My only complaint is that I have no money left over for stuff I know I'd enjoy from DC and the indies. Good problem to have.

 

[Sloth7d]

I just want Joke Q to stay away from any major Spider-man titles. I'll never understand the on going vendetta he had against the marriage and Peter's age, but now the end result looks like something out of a DC retcon. Ugh.

 

[GNR]

Marvel under The Q has flourished and brought alot of good changes.

Under his tenure,Joe revived major franchises (Avengers,new and old) and brought in some class talent.

I personally don't get all the hate,kudos to Joe for doing an excellent job so far.

 

[Kitsune]

I see your point.

So I should still continue to hate Bendis!


Excellent!

You can even blast him with your laser vision if you feel like it.

 

[Varient]

I like the guy. (Yes, i've met him)...

Do i agree with EVERYTHING he's initiated and okayed at Marvel? No.

But i DO think he's been good for the company.

Over the past three years, my Marvel reading has consisted of not only traditional superhero stories, but also cosmic stories, romance stories, horror stories, comedies, crime drama, fantasy, and even westerns...

It reminds me very much of the Marvel of my youth.

So; if there's something he's done that you actually have enjoyed and appreciated, feel free to share.

Off topic:
You do realize that you are one of the LAST dead good-guys to have not been "alternate universed" or brought back from the dead right?

And all things being fair,... after they bring you back,... it would only be a matter of time before they bring back Gwen.

heck,.. They brought back IronFist, Electra, Bucky, Uncle Ben,.... Gravity, The Thing, Spiderman, Hawkeye,...
Wait,... What was the name of the New York Female Detective who was a secret Spidey Fan?

She might be brought back before You,...

 

[Kitsune]

Off topic:
You do realize that you are one of the LAST dead good-guys to have not been "alternate universed" or brought back from the dead right?

And all things being fair,... after they bring you back,... it would only be a matter of time before they bring back Gwen.

heck,.. They brought back IronFist, Electra, Bucky, Uncle Ben,.... Gravity, The Thing, Spiderman, Hawkeye,...
Wait,... What was the name of the New York Female Detective who was a secret Spidey Fan?

She might be brought back before You,...

Jean DeWolf?

 

[Varient]

Jean DeWolf?

YES!!!

Ms DeWolf had a thing for Spiderman,... If Things go as I expect and they somehow bring her back,.. she would have an open path toward being Peters next Love interest.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

Off topic:
You do realize that you are one of the LAST dead good-guys to have not been "alternate universed" or brought back from the dead right?

And all things being fair,... after they bring you back,... it would only be a matter of time before they bring back Gwen.

heck,.. They brought back IronFist, Electra, Bucky, Uncle Ben,.... Gravity, The Thing, Spiderman, Hawkeye,...
Wait,... What was the name of the New York Female Detective who was a secret Spidey Fan?

She might be brought back before You,...

Current rumor has it that Gwen IS coming back.

Harry Osborn too.

 

[PhotoJones]

Current rumor has it that Gwen IS coming back.

Harry Osborn too.

What?

 

[Doc Destruction]

That.

Would.

Suck.

 

[venom892]

Current rumor has it that Gwen IS coming back.

Harry Osborn too.

Why must you destroy my soul?

 

[Varient]

Current rumor has it that Gwen IS coming back.

Harry Osborn too.

Oh,.............. U R cruel.

 

[Kitsune]

Current rumor has it that Gwen IS coming back.

Harry Osborn too.

How about Ned Leads while we're at it.

 

[Franklin Richards]

It all comes down to this for me.


He said that the Thing couldn't smoke a cigar. And that's wrong.


So if he rethinks his cigar policy, I'll rethink my position on him.

 

[KangConquers]

How about Ned Leads while we're at it.

And Kraven...and Ben Parker...and Fredrick Foswell.

 

[Varient]

Jean DeWolf?

Source: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showthread.php?t=68955

Credits....
Peter David (Script), Rich Buckler (Pencils), Brett Breeding, Joe Rubinstein, Kyle Baker, Pat Redding (Inks), George Roussos (Colors), Phil Felix (Letters).

Reprinted in...
An out of print Death of Jean Dewolfe Trade Paperback, Wizard's Best of Spider-Man hardcover (along with 2 other stories which make my Top 15 list)

This is one of the few Spider-Man stories everyone agrees is great. It made Spiderfan.org's Top 10 list a few years back (#4 I believe). It was #6 in Wizard's Top Ten Spider-Man stories list a few years back. There's another commentraty on it in http://www.spideykicksbutt.com/top10Spideystories.html But DON'T READ it unless you've read the story (there's a major spoiler).

Peter David had only been writing comic books for a few months when he penned this classic, which is great for a lot of reasons. Jean De Wolfe at the time a popular supporting cast member (although I suspect she's now mostly known for her death), and dies four pages into the story, a twist on the traditional comic book death. The killer isn't really a supervillain, but an ordinary psycho with a shotgun. Daredevil becomes involved when the killer targets one of his friends, and this story really demonstrates the differences between Spider-Man, and Daredevil. Things go badly with Spider-Man, as a bystander is killed in the battle by a shotgun blast Spider-Man dodges.
As a murder mystery in comics, it's second only to Watchmen. There are plenty of twists, including Peter Parker VS a crazed gunman in the Daily Bugle. There are great scenes with J. Jonah Jameson, including his win over a black preacher, and reaction to the chaos at the Bugle. There's a great new character in sympathetic cop Stan Carter, who decides to help Spider-Man against his better judgment. There's a great subplot involving Ernie Popchik, a World War 2 veteran who takes drastic action after being mugged. There are great interrogation scenes featuring a pissed off Spider-Man. There's clever writing by Peter David, and capable art by Rich Buckler.

There's this great exchange.
Cop: By the way, did you hear about Jean Dewolfe?
Spider-Man: Yea, that joke about Jean and the Miami Dolphins? Yeah, I...
Cop: She's dead. Someone blew her away.

And it all ends in one of the most violent battles of Spider-Man's career. Against Daredevil. I'm regretting not ranking it higher right now.

Warning: Amazing Spider-Man #300, and Spectacular Spider-Man #134-136 (the follow-up to this story), spoil the big twist, so I highly recommend reading this story before either of those stories.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

It all comes down to this for me.


He said that the Thing couldn't smoke a cigar. And that's wrong.


So if he rethinks his cigar policy, I'll rethink my position on him.

i agree on a certain level...guys our age (or so) grew up with Ben, Nick Fury, and Logan all rockin' the stogies, but iirc, some kid and his mom raised a ruckus about it...i think Joe decided to nip it in the bud right then and there, as opposed to letting it snowball and possibley bring negative attention to an industry that was on REAL shakey ground back then...and honestly is STILL not as strong as i'd like to see it...so i kind of support Joe's stance here.

All it takes is the rumblings of ONE attention-seeking self righteous prick to stir up some unwanted contoversy.