The Dark Knight Rises The Official "What Do YOU Want in the Sequel?" Thread

[RustyCage]

You didn't enjoy the brief club scene?

Sure those guys were no match, but that's what I loved about it. He almost literally appears in the club out of nowhere (I say 'almost,' cause he had to come from somewhere t, takes out 8 guys in like 22 seconds (a rate of 2.75 thugs/second) and pounces onto Maroni without stopping to breathe. One man wrecking ball. My favorite part of it, which a few people I know missed, is when he dumps the thug over the railing. Bats is very clearly on a 2nd tier/floor of the club, and you can hear the screams from the people below as they look up to see a thug headed straight for them. I admit, it made me laugh. I love how non-chalant he is about it. Dumps guy from second floor, keeps on trucking.

Hell. Yes. Well described!

 

[Brother Jack]

Really, you burst into laughter when the comedian was being killed or during the prison sequence? I thought Nite Owl during the prison scene at the least was terrific and pulled off far more varied moves than Batman in TDK who almost never even lifted his legs off the ground. Just a few elbows here and there.

The fights in Nolan's bat-films aren't perfect, but I'll gladly take those to the over-the-top choreography and sound design in Watchmen. Snyder often betrayed the grounded, human aspect of the story and characters when he had the superpower-less heroes doing unbelievable leaps and bounds.

 

[ALP]

You didn't enjoy the brief club scene?

Sure those guys were no match, but that's what I loved about it. He almost literally appears in the club out of nowhere (I say 'almost,' cause he had to come from somewhere t, takes out 8 guys in like 22 seconds (a rate of 2.75 thugs/second) and pounces onto Maroni without stopping to breathe. One man wrecking ball. My favorite part of it, which a few people I know missed, is when he dumps the thug over the railing. Bats is very clearly on a 2nd tier/floor of the club, and you can hear the screams from the people below as they look up to see a thug headed straight for them. I admit, it made me laugh. I love how non-chalant he is about it. Dumps guy from second floor, keeps on trucking.

Him taking them out so quickly sorta kinda reminded me of what he did in Begins.

Batman has not had a physical equal since Ra's.

Actually, I got a somewhat similar vibe from the bit where Batman was dismantling the guys in Maroni's club compared to the prison break scene with Nite Owl and Silk Spectre in Watchmen. There was that sensation of them moving forward down a straight path, doing cool moves to mow through multiple guys.

The difference was, obviously, Zack Snyder's dramatic slow mo camera and the lighting, with both of the characters doing some overly flaunty moves. Meanwhile Batman was appropriately and realistically concise and concealed.

Every single fight scene between Ra's and Bruce/Batman in Begins spring to mind as great examples in terms of quality. Same with the prison fight: 'You're not the Devil'. The way he roared and ripped all those guys down as the camera whirled around the scene. Awesome. (More of that camera effect please, Nolan!!) In terms of memorability, there's the ever-iconic bell tower fight in Batman '89, and Batman Returns had those tense Catwoman tangles.

I also don't see how you couldn't find Batman wtfpwning all those SWAT guys with their own guns while simultaneously roping them all together to get dangled off the side of a building to be memorable.

Same goes for Lau's henchmen; he was all business, clobbering them efficiently and redirecting their gun fire and dragging them through broken glass by their feet, all after smashing through a bloody window and just going straight for them without a second's pause. And when he would like tumble for cover in a whirl of cape (totally a BTAS move). That was thrilling to me, even though I find TDK's choreography to be quite stiff at times.

I could go on, I guess.

It was so dark I could hardly see what Batman was doing in Lau's place! But I buy some of your other examples Mostly I absolutely give you the SWAT scene. I loved Bat's method of taking them out.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Jim Lee didn't do the designs, Wildstorm did (which Jim Lee founded).

Batman's design is one of the few genuinely mediocre aspects in the game. The suit design is pretty solid (with the exception of the ridiculous mega-gauntlets) but the body itself is pretty silly. As Regwec once put it, Batman looks like a sack of potatoes with a pen cap on top. He's got these ridiculous spherical shoulders and this weird, narrowing head, and yeah, it looks like Gears of Batman.

A more humanly proportioned model in the same basic costume would be better. It's fine to make Batman bigger than your average guy, but they went overboard. This is mitigated by the fact that everything in the game is designed in a similar, over-the-top fashion, so Batman's crazy appearance at least looks like it fits, though.

He's exactly like that yeah. I dont understand how nobody didnt point it out to them so that they'd fix it in the new game. But then again Jim Lee (whose studio designed AA like you said) is DC's co publisher.

Also, i dont like his mouth opening that looks like an inverted triangle as opposed to a box with slits. And finally i dont like how the cape looks so stiff and as if its Superman's cape. I know it takes amazings graphics to show that his cape is bigger and just pushed behind his shoulders, but i want that!

Exactly. I said before that the proportions were my least favorite part of the game. Seriously, even James Gordon has this massive frame. He looks just as big as Batman lmao

First time i saw Gordon i said "WTF man!" out loud.

But it all fits in the over the top nature of the game so it's not a big problem.

The game sticks to the comics, so i dont see why they had to go and pull this over the top design.

Although I do think Bane and Croc were just too big, bane at least.

Bane was pumped full of Titan, which was stronger than his Venom.

Btw that reminds me of Strange. I hope he doesnt create his Monster men. I'd hate if AC pulls the same "batarang the monsters and roll away" thing we had in AA. Time for something new.

 

[RustyCage]

First time i saw Gordon i said "WTF man!" out loud.

Me too!

It was so dark I could hardly see what Batman was doing in Lau's place!

Really? I thought that was one of the better lit ones. It's relatively dark, but certainly not nearly as dark as the night club (which I could also make out the moves in perfectly clearly). I guess our screens have different brightness settings.

But that would perplex me too, as Batman's cape/cowl appeared black instead of blue for me in Arkham Asylum on my TV cause of the darkness settings, when in the promo shots for both AA and AC it's shown to be blue.

 

[TheBatman072]

I hope the fight scenes are just a bit better this go around. They were good in BB and TDK, and I know he's batman and all, but at least wait for him to hit you before falling down.

I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure that was intentional.

He hits the guy, and is moving so hard and so fast, that Batman doesn't realize this guy has already gone down for the count by the time he comes back around to deliver another blow.

So he just throws down the gun.

That was intentional.

 

[PreK]

Except he never hit the guy. He sort of just grabbed the gun from under him, hits the other guy, and for some reason the first guy is on the ground (unconscious no less!) when he turns around.

I always facepalm at that moment. I must have replayed that scene a dozen times, trying to follow how the choreography led to that moment. None of the other scenes were as bad as that, but they were equally as plodding. The club scene is the only one that managed to match the intensity of the fights in BB.

 

[batman11]

I just watched that moment in a play-pause-play-pause slow-down, and it's still pretty apparent to me what happened. Yes there was botched choreography, but it wasn't to the magnitude that some of you guys have been pointing out (for the last two years no less LOL t.

Bats doesn't simply grab the gun from him. He places one hand down on the right side of the gun, and clutches it so that the gun is elevated angled with the right side up. With his left hand, he comes in underneath the gun on the left side and sends it up like a teeter-totter into the guy's face. The guy collapses from the blow. Still holding the gun, he turns and whacks Lau and then turns back, finding that the "teeter-totter smash" already knocked the guy out.

The issue, of course, is that the gun never actually hits the guy in the face. It's supposed to, but it just misses. Thus, the guy was reacting to the choreographed "teeter-totter smash," which wasn't executed to fullest of on-screen accuracy.

It was not, as far as I can tell, a simple matter of Bats just grabbing the gun and the guy falling like an invisible fist hit him. To me, it's pretty clear that the movement and the motion in Bats' arms that prompts the gun to spring towards the guy was intentional, and the false hit just came off looking a bit too false. If sped up a little bit more, it seems less noticeable, as the sound effect, the springing of the gun and the collapse of the guy all look appropriate without catching the lack of actual hit. Changing the angle to an over-the-shoulder or behind-the-back shot would have worked as well.

Granted, I could be totally wrong, but that's how I always read the scene. I actually remember thinking, upon first or second viewing, that using the gun to uppercut the guy was pretty sweet. I never saw it as the guy just falling. That is until you have the luxury of a DVD and YouTube and you can see the gun never makes contact. Maybe he swallowed a fly?

 

[PreK]

The issue, of course, is that the gun never actually hits the guy in the face. It's supposed to, but it just misses. Thus, the guy was reacting to the choreographed "teeter-totter smash," which wasn't executed to fullest of on-screen accuracy.

Well yeah, that's pretty much it. I just happened to notice at first viewing that he never got hit. It was only during the slow-mo replays I realized it was executed sloppily. Intent doesn't matter if it never shows up on-screen.

Granted, I could be totally wrong, but that's how I always read the scene. I actually remember thinking, upon first or second viewing, that using the gun to uppercut the guy was pretty sweet. I never saw it as the guy just falling. That is until you have the luxury of a DVD and YouTube and you can see the gun never makes contact. Maybe he swallowed a fly?

Since my eyes can never unsee the blatant fall-job, I've firmly implanted into my head the idea that the henchman played possum in hopes that Batman would leave him alone.

 

[batman11]

Well yeah, that's pretty much it. I just happened to notice at first viewing that he never got hit. It was only during the slow-mo replays I realized it was executed sloppily. Intent doesn't matter if it never shows up on-screen.

Agreed. I was merely pointing out that some (not particularly you) often exaggerated the situation. I know that intent does not matter if not executed well, but in this case, it did have me (and perhaps others) fooled, at least for some time. Imagine if he just took the gun with one hand and the guy jumped back. Varying degrees of ridiculousness. t:

Like I said though, it worked for me maybe the first couple of times, but then I noticed it the issue. As I pointed out, speeding it up or more importantly, cutting to another angle would have rectified the problem. But you are not wrong. Not that you needed me to tell you that.

Since my eyes can never unsee the blatant fall-job, I've firmly implanted into my head the idea that the henchman played possum in hopes that Batman would leave him alone.

In all honesty, that's what I would do if I were that guy.

Crap he's got my gun - he's gonna f'n destroy me. What do I do? Wait...wait...I got it!

**plays dead**

He bought it. Phew.

 

[Dark Knight]

I want to see the fight scenes be as brutal and intense as the fight scenes in the newly released Arkham City video game trailer!

 

[Dark Knight]

If we get a fight scene anything like the Arkham City trailer, I'll be happy.

Yep!

That's the type of fight scenes I want to see in the next film with a some blood shown also!

 

[thedrizzle59]

Yep!

That's the type of fight scenes I want to see in the next film with a some blood shown also!

There wont be any blood in TDKR. its a PG13 movie and Nolan has no need for blood. The fight scenes we'll get will pretty much be the same as BB and TDK. But ive been wrong before.

 

[RustyCage]

I never noticed the gun hit looking obviously faked, but I always noticed it was a gun hit. Dunno how anyone missed that, it's one of his signature moves in TDK. Gun-to-face + elbows.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The problem with the Hong Kong scene wasnt the part about the gun. It was that people were aiming at the ceiling and waiting for Batman to beat them up. You can see them waiting their turn to get beat up. Otherwise the gliding and skyhook parts were amazing.

 

[jazzmatik]

I wanted to see a scene in TDK where Bruce and Alfred drive out to a half-constructed Wayne Manor as it is being rebuilt. I wanted to see them overseeing the construction of it in TDK so that it would be fully built by the start of TDKR.

Anyway, some things I want to see in TDKR:

-Wayne Manor rebuilt
-updated Batcave
-visit to Bruce's parents and Rachel's grave
-statue of Harvey Dent placed in front of city hall to remind Gotham of their White Knight and also have a scene where Gordon looks up at it disgusted (subtle reference to the events of TDK)
-snow (Gotham in winter)
-Alfred gets kidnapped, giving Bruce a real personal dilemma
-Bruce does some forensic work with blood/DNA
-Arkham
-cameo of Dr. Quinzel coming out of a cell with a patient file that says "Joker" and THAT is the only Joker reference in the movie
-Gordon's wife leaves him (I don't "want" this to happen but I foresee it happening)
-Batman jumps off some rooftops during a chase
-Batwing if it is essential to the plot (adds to the "Rises" aspect of the title too)
-Batman becomes the hero Gotham needs

 

[RustyCage]

The fights in Nolan's bat-films aren't perfect, but I'll gladly take those to the over-the-top choreography and sound design in Watchmen. Snyder often betrayed the grounded, human aspect of the story and characters when he had the superpower-less heroes doing unbelievable leaps and bounds.

Yep. They felt like they almost defied gravity. I didn't like that.

 

[Dark Knight]

There wont be any blood in TDKR. its a PG13 movie and Nolan has no need for blood. The fight scenes we'll get will pretty much be the same as BB and TDK. But ive been wrong before.

Huh?

I have seen plenty of films that show blood and were rated PG-13! I want to see some bloody noses...lips, bruises, along with some broken legs and arms.

It doesn't need to be a bloody gorefest....but I would like to see a bit more blood in this last film.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

^ So blood is clearly too frightening for ... ahem... *kids* who're 13, but a half-burnt man with his muscles, half-a-skull, nearly-gauging eye-ball man who is talking to another man who dresses up as a girl nurse, sports lipstick over his half-stitched face (which has a Glasgow smile btw) is JUST FINE.

YES on more blood(ied thugs/goons, Bruce Wayne).

 

[Nave 'Torment']

This is essentially what I want to see in the next Batman movie by Christopher Nolan:

Why not right? In the first film we had two villains who were never adapted onto the big screen before, the second film gave us redefinitions of classic villains (one from the first Burton film, the other from the first Schumacher film, to be exact). Why can't this be the best of both worlds? A classic villain, and a completely new one, never before seen on the big screen (but famous nevertheless). Besides, Marion Cotillard proved that she can play the perfect Selina Kyle in Inception.

 

[B@tfan2289]

Maybe it is mentoined before but after watching Batman: Under the Red Hood, i'm very open to the idea that Tom Hardy can play the Red Hood. I don't want Robin in the movie but working with some flashbacks that maybe will work and it will bring a very personal turn on Batman. A Batman with guilty feelings towards the death of one of his Robins and a link to the Joker who killed Jason and left him in a abonded wharehouse and Ra's al Ghul drops him in the Lazarus Pit and is reborn. It also makes a perfect link to the first 2 Batman movies.

Feeling the rage of Jason towards Bruce on the big screen would make great scenes!

 

[RustyCage]

Maybe it is mentoined before but after watching Batman: Under the Red Hood, i'm very open to the idea that Tom Hardy can play the Red Hood. I don't want Robin in the movie but working with some flashbacks that maybe will work and it will bring a very personal turn on Batman. A Batman with guilty feelings towards the death of one of his Robins and a link to the Joker who killed Jason and left him in a abonded wharehouse and Ra's al Ghul drops him in the Lazarus Pit and is reborn. It also makes a perfect link to the first 2 Batman movies.

While I also loved Under the Red Hood, it hardly makes a perfect link to the first two films. There's literally no relation, no connection to be made. No Lazarus Pits, no Robin, etc.

 

[The Demon's Head]

I really want to see more Gordon in TDKR. He had a lot of great material to work with in TDK, so I'm hoping they'll keep it up. IMO, the dynamic between Gordon and Batman is one of the best things in Nolan's films, not to mention the most faithful to the source material.

 

[RustyCage]

I really want to see more Gordon in TDKR. He had a lot of great material to work with in TDK, so I'm hoping they'll keep it up. IMO, the dynamic between Gordon and Batman is one of the best things in Nolan's films, not to mention the most faithful to the source material.

I agree, I deeply adore Oldman's portrayal of Gordon.

If TDK's ending is any indication, things should be getting more interesting between him and Batman soon, so we've got nothing to worry about.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Agree with both posts - Gordon and Batman are finally perfect in these films. I'm expecting a lot more of Gordon in the sequel, it's bound to happen now that ol' pointy ears is being hunted. I think they ought to introduce Sarah Essen (new lieutenant for the GCPD?) in this film, she's the only other (important) character from Batman Year One I'm still missing (the other being, of course, Selina Kyle).