Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[marcvader]

Having Omega Red in this movie would be a stretch for me. It would be a cheap ploy to add a villain just as a cool factor and not to mention he has no real ties to Iron Man.

 

[TheVileOne]

Santoro:

To answer your question. It's very possible that Rourke is playing Whiplash. The most recent incarnation of Whiplash in the comics wore a mask that was a lot like a gimp mask. Why would you not want to see a superhero villain with that type of costume played by Mickey Rourke?

For Whiplash it didn't matter, he still whipped Iron Man's armored butt within an inch of his life.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't know. How is Whiplash in the comics?

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Interesting news! Tbh, I think it would be very cool if he'd paly Whiplash. Looking foward to more news on this.

 

[Chris B]

As much faith that I have in Favreau and Downey, I'd be kind of disappointed if Whiplash is one of the main villains in IM2. I just don't really see the potential in the character for him to be a primary villain.

 

[Rich Santoro]

VileOne:

I am familiar with the outfit... I just don't know why you assume it would be so great to see Rourke in that get-up??? You keep saying, "Who wouldn't want to see Rourke in the gimp mask?" as if it is some perfect Shang Ra-la moment in moviedom... Anyway, it is better than the plummed head, swashbuckler costume I suppose...

As much faith that I have in Favreau and Downey, I'd be kind of disappointed if Whiplash is one of the main villains in IM2. I just don't really see the potential in the character for him to be a primary villain.

I'm with you... It just seems that WL would be way out of his league... I mean IM faced two F22s and withstood an 125 mm tank shell... he can fly faster than sound, and has enough fire power to send a man through a wall. Plus, calling Rourke's character a bruiser, then giving him whips (even being hi-tech whips) is a total misfire.

Fav's has been borderline obsessed in his interviews with maintaining an air of realism in the IM films... Having a guy with whips (gimp-mask or plumed helmet) is a fail on that front.

 

[Octoberist]

VileOne:

I am familiar with the outfit... I just don't know why you assume it would be so great to see Rourke in that get-up??? You keep saying, "Who wouldn't want to see Rourke in the gimp mask?" as if it is some perfect Shang Ra-la moment in moviedom... Anyway, it is better than the plummed head, swashbuckler costume I suppose...

That made me laugh so hard.

 

[Brian Braddock]

So, Whiplash or Blacklash?

 

[Mako]

How bout no-lash

 

[Ironfan72]

I can see a re-imagined armored Whiplash/Blacklash in the film, something more menacing. Whiplash was not really a match for Iron Man, though he would give Iron Man a good fight, he was always more effective as part of a team with guys like Blizzard, Ghost and Boomerang.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Here's Whiplash from that awful teen Iron Man cartoon, maybe they'll make him look something like this.

Spoiler

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Having Omega Red in this movie would be a stretch for me. It would be a cheap ploy to add a villain just as a cool factor and not to mention he has no real ties to Iron Man.

Quiet, no one Omega Red in this movie.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I'm with you... It just seems that WL would be way out of his league... I mean IM faced two F22s and withstood an 125 mm tank shell... he can fly faster than sound, and has enough fire power to send a man through a wall. Plus, calling Rourke's character a bruiser, then giving him whips (even being hi-tech whips) is a total misfire.

Fav's has been borderline obsessed in his interviews with maintaining an air of realism in the IM films... Having a guy with whips (gimp-mask or plumed helmet) is a fail on that front.

So you want Iron Man to keep fighting guys in these same type of armor suits? They did that already with the first film: Iron Man vs Iron Monger. How much different would it be with Iron Man vs Crimson Dynamo. It's been there, done that. And I'm sure Favreau is aware of that, he will want to keep things as fresh as possible and that would include a villain that's not as similar as to the one from the previous film.

It's why I believe we will get Whiplash. A re-imagined Whiplash with an enhanced suit but not one that looks like Iron Monger all over again, and then add in the coils and at we have something that looks different for Iron Man to fight.

 

[Carlo Comicus]

Remember guys, Iron Man have a tons of villains, and many of these use an armor. Not only Crymson Dinamo..I think Titanium Man, Firepower ecc.

 

[FaT_tONle]

If Rourke is Whiplash it would make more sense using other supporting characters/villains like Madame Masque and Count Nefaria as a whole criminal underworld tie-in. But by using Hammer/Widow.. I figured an armored villain like Dynamo would make more sense. So regardless of whatever whips they arm Rourke with... I still say it will be a flying armored villain.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Remember guys, Iron Man have a tons of villains, and many of these use an armor. Not only Crymson Dinamo..I think Titanium Man, Firepower ecc.

True, but what can be done differently with them, that wasn't already done with Iron Monger in the first film? I understand that the Iron Man world is surrounded by characters in iron suits but I'm betting Favreau wants to give the audience something somewhat new. Otherwise it's too much of the same. That's why I can understand going the Whiplash route, at least he has the coils.

 

[FaT_tONle]

True, but what can be done differently with them, that wasn't already done with Iron Monger in the first film? I understand that the Iron Man world is surrounded by characters in iron suits but I'm betting Favreau wants to give the audience something somewhat new. Otherwise it's too much of the same. That's why I can understand going the Whiplash route, at least he has the coils.

I don't think it would be a travesty... Monger was in there for like ten minutes... hardly a Transformers lengthy battle. Whiplash is a C-list villain at best.

 

[Rich Santoro]

So you want Iron Man to keep fighting guys in these same type of armor suits? They did that already with the first film: Iron Man vs Iron Monger. How much different would it be with Iron Man vs Crimson Dynamo. It's been there, done that. And I'm sure Favreau is aware of that, he will want to keep things as fresh as possible and that would include a villain that's not as similar as to the one from the previous film.

It's why I believe we will get Whiplash. A re-imagined Whiplash with an enhanced suit but not one that looks like Iron Monger all over again, and then add in the coils and at we have something that looks different for Iron Man to fight.

This really lacks imagination:

1) IM was an origin film... IM2 would be a development of the world around Stark. An Armored villain coming from a corporate competitor would be entirely appropriate - not merely a rehash.

2) Ironmonger showed up in the last 10-15 minutes... and the fight was a big brawl. There is plenty of un-explored, high-flying, aerial battles for IM to have still... They have not been there, they have not done that.

3) Ironmonger was a corporate megalomanic, drunk with power... who wanted to personally kill Tony Stark so that he could have control. CD would be a product being developed for mass production and sales to governments, militaries, private buyers... Hammer is a business man that sees the next stage in new weapons technology, since Stark is "out" as IM, and wantst to compete (its an arms race after all). This story would be Tony realizing that this technology is to dangerous for mass distribution, and is out to shut it down (rather than being the target like with Monger, he is the one targetting).

4) CD could be piloted by a seasoned military veteran, and would actually be able to out class Stark in flying and combat... But Stark has a better mousetrap, and uses smarts and tactics (along with his suits fancy gizmos) to win the day. Further elevating him as the man, and showing him constantly upgrading.

So I entirely disagree with you that the way to be "fresh" is to get away from an armored character. Just because the two villains are armored, doesn't make them any more similar that Defoe's GG and Franco's GG.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

I don't think it would be a travesty... Monger was in there for like ten minutes... hardly a Transformers lengthy battle. Whiplash is a C-list villain at best.

I don't think it be will any kind of catastrophe if they used Crimson Dynamo or Titanium Man or any other armored character as a villain. And if they do choose that, I will be cool with it. But what can those characters do that we haven't seen Iron Monger do already? At least with Whiplash we get the coils, it's not that much, but it's a difference. And I think they will give Whiplash a pretty cool suit anyway and have it be more of a departure from that gimp look that TheVileOne is obsessed with.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

This really lacks imagination:

1) IM was an origin film... IM2 would be a development of the world around Stark. An Armored villain coming from a corporate competitor would be entirely appropriate - not merely a rehash.

2) Ironmonger showed up in the last 10-15 minutes... and the fight was a big brawl. There is plenty of un-explored, high-flying, aerial battles for IM to have still... They have not been there, they have not done that.

3) Ironmonger was a corporate megalomanic, drunk with power... who wanted to personally kill Tony Stark so that he could have control. CD would be a product being developed for mass production and sales to governments, militaries, private buyers... Hammer is a business man that sees the next stage in new weapons technology, since Stark is "out" as IM, and wantst to compete (its an arms race after all). This story would be Tony realizing that this technology is to dangerous for mass distribution, and is out to shut it down (rather than being the target like with Monger, he is the one targetting).

4) CD could be piloted by a seasoned military veteran, and would actually be able to out class Stark in flying and combat... But Stark has a better mousetrap, and uses smarts and tactics (along with his suits fancy gizmos) to win the day. Further elevating him as the man, and showing him constantly upgrading.

So I entirely disagree with you that the way to be "fresh" is to get away from an armored character. Just because the two villains are armored, doesn't make them any more similar that Defoe's GG and Franco's GG.

Well if its so obvious that CD should/could be the villain then why did RDJ state that is who Rourke is not playing? Or do you think RDJ is lying. Why is Whiplash even being considered then? It seems to me they want to bring something different to the armored villain character otherwise Whiplash would have never been mentioned and RDJ's answers would have been different.

 

[Chewy]

I just looked at the IM2 imdb page and I'm shocked at how many sites ran the Downey interview as "Rourke won't be in IM2!" instead of what Downey was actually saying, "Rourke's character in IM2 wouldn't be Crimson Dynamo"

RIP basic reading/listening comprehension

 

[TheVileOne]

VileOne:

I am familiar with the outfit... I just don't know why you assume it would be so great to see Rourke in that get-up??? You keep saying, "Who wouldn't want to see Rourke in the gimp mask?" as if it is some perfect Shang Ra-la moment in moviedom... Anyway, it is better than the plummed head, swashbuckler costume I suppose...

Just think about Rourke wearing that costume and kicking Iron Man's metal butt.

I'm with you... It just seems that WL would be way out of his league... I mean IM faced two F22s and withstood an 125 mm tank shell... he can fly faster than sound, and has enough fire power to send a man through a wall. Plus, calling Rourke's character a bruiser, then giving him whips (even being hi-tech whips) is a total misfire.

You should read the Chen/Busiek run of Iron Man comics sometime.

 

[OsGom]

When I read the original article I got the impression Rourke would be playing an amalgam of WL & CD. I thought it might be an interesting concept.

 

[WeaponXProject]

I just looked at the IM2 imdb page and I'm shocked at how many sites ran the Downey interview as "Rourke won't be in IM2!" instead of what Downey was actually saying, "Rourke's character in IM2 wouldn't be Crimson Dynamo"

RIP basic reading/listening comprehension

That's how I interpreted it...but how would that leave us with him playing? Titanium, Whip lash, maybe a more outside the box character than the obvious one...

 

[Chewy]

That's how I interpreted it...but how would that leave us with him playing? Titanium, Whip lash, maybe a more outside the box character than the obvious one...

Sure, it could either of those. And it could be one of IM's other C-list rogues. They aren't any more obscure than Iron Monger was.