Iron Man 2 The Official Whiplash Thread

[Venom'sDad]

Right on. I think that's a fair analysis. We really don'teven know if black Widow turns out to be SHIELD or an enemy. All we know is that she is Tony's new assistant and she's in her suit at some point. For all we know she is working for Hammer to commit industrial espionage.

Exactly.... we don't even know if Spiderman will make a surprise cameo appearence. We just don't know.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

First off AVEIT, we don't know what those whips can do, they don't have to only be capable of electricity. They could be energized to have laser properties for all we know. You're already making assumptions that have no basis. The only description we've been given about the whips' nature are "they're devastating whip-like beams"

You could practically say that about almost every comic book story ever written. For example, on the surface, there's no way Joker should give Batman any problems yet he's Batman's greatest arch nemesis (or at least one of). It's all in the writing, the execution and suspension of belief. If you're not willing to give IM the same, then what's the point of even bothering to go see it? I'm just saying..........

Because I have a problem with an aspect of it I shouldnt go see it? If I went by that judgement I wouldnt see any films at all.

I'm just saying that Whiplash doesnt look like he could give Iron Man a good fight or at least shouldnt give him one. The Mach 3 armour took a tank shell, a missile explosion at close range and a jet machine gun all within quick succession in the first movie and the suit was hardly damaged. These whips would have to be something special to do damage to the suit.

Not mention they are close range weapons, Tony could just blast him in half from 100 feet in the air. I just dont think they have put a lot of thought into this villain, from what I have seen SO FAR.

 

[DocHoliday]

Because I have a problem with an aspect of it I shouldnt go see it? If I went by that judgement I wouldnt see any films at all.

I'm just saying that Whiplash doesnt look like he could give Iron Man a good fight or at least shouldnt give him one. The Mach 3 armour took a tank shell, a missile explosion at close range and a jet machine gun all within quick succession in the first movie and the suit was hardly damaged. These whips would have to be something special to do damage to the suit.

Not mention they are close range weapons, Tony could just blast him in half from 100 feet in the air. I just dont think they have put a lot of thought into this villain, from what I have seen SO FAR.

Agreed. If we are going to praise Black Widow's suit for looking practical than I feel that Whiplash is open to the opposite scrutiny. Again I think he upgrades his weaponry and he gets the jump on Tony while he is outside his suit. But with his chest exposed if he got hit by one of Iron Man's sniper rounds it's over and like AVEIT said, IM survived a tank round.

 

[DocHoliday]

Exactly.... we don't even know if Spiderman will make a surprise cameo appearence. We just don't know.

No we know that won't happen . Spider-Man is at Sony, Iron Man is at Marvel studios. I don't think any of the suggestions above are that outlandish...and yes I know you were making a joke.

I'm just stating how little we know vs what everybody assumes. With speculation there are some conclusions you can come by just from watching the first film and sometimes they are correct but people put WAY to much stock in what they believe to happen.


Sorry about double posting I was going to put in the post above using the edit function but accidentally sent it instead of cut and paste. Again my bad I know it can make it a mess by doing it.

 

[Figs]

Because I have a problem with an aspect of it I shouldnt go see it? If I went by that judgement I wouldnt see any films at all.

I'm just saying that Whiplash doesnt look like he could give Iron Man a good fight or at least shouldnt give him one. The Mach 3 armour took a tank shell, a missile explosion at close range and a jet machine gun all within quick succession in the first movie and the suit was hardly damaged. These whips would have to be something special to do damage to the suit.

Not mention they are close range weapons, Tony could just blast him in half from 100 feet in the air. I just dont think they have put a lot of thought into this villain, from what I have seen SO FAR.

Well it's not really the creative team or Favreau that would be to blame if you don't think they have put a lot of thought into him when he was actually like this in the comics for the most part. They basically took what was already created. Once again it comes down to you not being imaginative enough and assuming the only possibility for this fight is that Iron Man shoots a repulsor beam once and kills Whiplash and it's done.

Give it a chance, if they fail and come up with something stupid for the fights then have at it and tear it apart but I just don't think it's going to be all that bad.

 

[Venom'sDad]

No we know that won't happen . Spider-Man is at Sony, Iron Man is at Marvel studios. I don't think any of the suggestions above are that outlandish...and yes I know you were making a joke.

I'm just stating how little we know vs what everybody assumes. With speculation there are some conclusions you can come by just from watching the first film and sometimes they are correct but people put WAY to much stock in what they believe to happen.

It's cool, as long as you did realize that. I was being factitious, because really, I agree exactly with what you just said, here. I was just piggybacking when I used your quote previously.

 

[The IronMan]

In the comics when Hammer financed whiplash's upgrades (for a meager 10% of his future profits) Backlash was quite a formidable foe for iron man and he didn't have armor. His whips were quite powerful and not his only weapon>

 

[redlion2]

Because I have a problem with an aspect of it I shouldnt go see it? If I went by that judgement I wouldnt see any films at all.

No, my point was if you can't suspend your disbelief, then why would you go to see it at all? I never said you shouldn't go see it. But honestly, if you've judged the film off of certain known facts that you don't like, that's one thing. You've already judged this as a mistake and you don't know anything. You don't know how or if they can pull it off, the film might just surprise you.

I'm just saying that Whiplash doesnt look like he could give Iron Man a good fight or at least shouldnt give him one. The Mach 3 armour took a tank shell, a missile explosion at close range and a jet machine gun all within quick succession in the first movie and the suit was hardly damaged. These whips would have to be something special to do damage to the suit.

That's the whole idea, maybe the whips ARE something special.

 

[Son of Coul]

How about let's not jump to ridiculous conclusions based on two pictures and very limited knowledge of the film.

 

[Silverglade]

I agree that the costume seen in the race track photo seems to leave him vulnerable to weapons such as those Stark has in the suit. I agree with those that say he teams up with Hammer since they share the same interests, and he gets a +1 suit to even the playing field. I hope it looks good. But as a prototype suit he made in prison... I really like the look of that suit of Whiplash we have. It can't be too elaborate at this point yet.

 

[Venom'sDad]

So no one thinks the event at the race track is Whiplash catching Tony by surprise, out of his IM suit; cause that's all it appear to be to me.

 

[dark_b]

How about let's not jump to ridiculous conclusions based on two pictures and very limited knowledge of the film.

he wrotte a fair post. he said that he thinks the suit doesnt work based on what he saw so far.
he said nothing against the whole movie or that he will not see it.

everything he said is hes opinion based on the two pics from whiplash.


i dont understand how this is suspend your disbelief. does this mean that a pregnant girl can defeat iron man and if they explain it that then it works? because of a banana?
what i think suspend your disbelief means. it means that Tony Stark was able to build a M1 suit in a cave. that in the IM universe there is technology where a heavy and i mean really heavy suit can move faster then a human. suspend your disbelief? its when tony stark is in a hard metal suit and falls down from the sky. and he f.... survives. thats suspend your disbelief IMO. that he survived. does the IM suit have airbag? ha ha. but hey i accept this. because its a comicbook movie.
you know what can not happen in a comicbook movie? when tony stark is in hes car driving a flying pig can not fly over hes head. a strange example? of course it is because i made it up very fast. a flying pig would be stupid and would not fit inside the universe.
IMO it has nothing to do with suspend your disbelief that the terminator didnt kill connor. it was lazy writting. and IMO if whiplah can survive in a fight with this this suit then its lazy writting .
this is my opinion based on the pics and based on the first movie. in the first movie we saw what IM is able to do. it doesnt mean that i will hate the movie.
its a forum and we are debating. we are not hating.

 

[dark_b]

So no one thinks the event at the race track is Whiplash catching Tony by surprise, out of his IM suit; cause that's all it appear to be to me.

a lot of people think it will be like this. it would explain why there is a pic of Tony in hes blue racing suit and with blood. and he is angry. the race is in monte carlo. the question is if he has the suit always with him.

guys they builded a set outside with greenscreen. its the racetrack. i think it would be a waste of money if they would build a big set outside for jus a short scene of whiplash. so something big is going to happen.

 

[redlion2]

he wrotte a fair post. he said that he thinks the suit doesnt work based on what he saw so far.
he said nothing against the whole movie or that he will not see it.

What have we seen so far? Nothing but a still pic. We don't know what it"s going to look like in action with all the sfx. Let's wait for that. It's not like Favs is pulling this character from the air, Whiplash is a regular foe for IM in the comics.

i dont understand how this is suspend your disbelief. does this mean that a pregnant girl can defeat iron man and if they explain it that then it works? because of a banana?
what i think suspend your disbelief means. it means that Tony Stark was able to build a M1 suit in a cave. that in the IM universe there is technology where a heavy and i mean really heavy suit can move faster then a human. suspend your disbelief? its when tony stark is in a hard metal suit and falls down from the sky. and he f.... survives. thats suspend your disbelief IMO. that he survived. does the IM suit have airbag? ha ha. but hey i accept this. because its a comicbook movie.
you know what can not happen in a comicbook movie? when tony stark is in hes car driving a flying pig can not fly over hes head. a strange example? of course it is because i made it up very fast. a flying pig would be stupid and would not fit inside the universe.
IMO it has nothing to do with suspend your disbelief that the terminator didnt kill connor. it was lazy writting. and IMO if whiplah can survive in a fight with this this suit then its lazy writting .
this is my opinion based on the pics and based on the first movie. in the first movie we saw what IM is able to do. it doesnt mean that i will hate the movie.
its a forum and we are debating. we are not hating.

So let me get this straight, you mean a guy can build an advanced suit of armor, with flight capabilities, mini-rockets, unknown repulsor technology all powered by something called an arc reactor but we're supposed to draw the line when it comes to a guy that can build energized whips powerful enough to fight this guy?

I'll say this, because none of us knows diddley. I'm going to table this debate on my part, until after the film comes out. Then we can debate how successful or not Favs was in creating a good fight between Whiplash and IM.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

I hope the teaser trailer is JUST Whiplash, I mean in all honesty, that's all that's basically left.

 

[dark_b]

What have we seen so far? Nothing but a still pic. We don't know what it"s going to look like in action with all the sfx. Let's wait for that. It's not like Favs is pulling this character from the air, Whiplash is a regular foe for IM in the comics.



So let me get this straight, you mean a guy can build an advanced suit of armor, with flight capabilities, mini-rockets, unknown repulsor technology all powered by something called an arc reactor but we're supposed to draw the line when it comes to a guy that can build energized whips powerful enough to fight this guy?

I'll say this, because none of us knows diddley. I'm going to table this debate on my part, until after the film comes out. Then we can debate how successful or not Favs was in creating a good fight between Whiplash and IM.

i dont have problems with the whips. he has not protection on hes body.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Agreed. If we are going to praise Black Widow's suit for looking practical than I feel that Whiplash is open to the opposite scrutiny. Again I think he upgrades his weaponry and he gets the jump on Tony while he is outside his suit. But with his chest exposed if he got hit by one of Iron Man's sniper rounds it's over and like AVEIT said, IM survived a tank round.

Exactly, I think the Black Widow costume is fantastic and I have no criticisms of that, but the Whiplash one just doesnt look practical to me so far, and he doesnt look like someone who could give Iron Man a good challenge to me.

Well it's not really the creative team or Favreau that would be to blame if you don't think they have put a lot of thought into him when he was actually like this in the comics for the most part. They basically took what was already created. Once again it comes down to you not being imaginative enough and assuming the only possibility for this fight is that Iron Man shoots a repulsor beam once and kills Whiplash and it's done.

I dont need to be imaginative enough, i'm not being paid to work on the movie the writers are the ones who need to be imaginative. I just dont think Whiplash as a bad guy was a good way to go. All i said from the start was I hope they come up with a practical and logical reason for Whiplash to give Iron Man a challenge rather than "Well if IM blasted him straight away there wouldnt have been fight."

Give it a chance, if they fail and come up with something stupid for the fights then have at it and tear it apart but I just don't think it's going to be all that bad.

I am giving it a chance, as I said above, I love the BW suit, and I have said I liked the new armour, and the cast is superb, i'm judging the whole movie as I havent seen it, its just that, SO FAR (as in my opinion could change) I am not happy with THIS aspect of the movie.

No, my point was if you can't suspend your disbelief, then why would you go to see it at all? I never said you shouldn't go see it. But honestly, if you've judged the film off of certain known facts that you don't like, that's one thing. You've already judged this as a mistake and you don't know anything. You don't know how or if they can pull it off, the film might just surprise you.

I havent judged the movie, have you heard me say it will be crap? No, I have simply said that, SO FAR, I dont like the Whiplash suite. You'd think I was going round telling people the movie is crap, I havent at all.

That's the whole idea, maybe the whips ARE something special.

They need to be, but IMO them repelling repulsor blasts just wouldnt look good, but who knows, it may do.

he wrotte a fair post. he said that he thinks the suit doesnt work based on what he saw so far.
he said nothing against the whole movie or that he will not see it.

everything he said is hes opinion based on the two pics from whiplash.


i dont understand how this is suspend your disbelief. does this mean that a pregnant girl can defeat iron man and if they explain it that then it works? because of a banana?
what i think suspend your disbelief means. it means that Tony Stark was able to build a M1 suit in a cave. that in the IM universe there is technology where a heavy and i mean really heavy suit can move faster then a human. suspend your disbelief? its when tony stark is in a hard metal suit and falls down from the sky. and he f.... survives. thats suspend your disbelief IMO. that he survived. does the IM suit have airbag? ha ha. but hey i accept this. because its a comicbook movie.
you know what can not happen in a comicbook movie? when tony stark is in hes car driving a flying pig can not fly over hes head. a strange example? of course it is because i made it up very fast. a flying pig would be stupid and would not fit inside the universe.
IMO it has nothing to do with suspend your disbelief that the terminator didnt kill connor. it was lazy writting. and IMO if whiplah can survive in a fight with this this suit then its lazy writting .
this is my opinion based on the pics and based on the first movie. in the first movie we saw what IM is able to do. it doesnt mean that i will hate the movie.
its a forum and we are debating. we are not hating.

Exactly, I simply hope the writing is good enough to make it believable that, in that suit, Whiplash can pose a threat to Iron Man.

 

[redlion2]

I havent judged the movie, have you heard me say it will be crap? No, I have simply said that, SO FAR, I dont like the Whiplash suite. You'd think I was going round telling people the movie is crap, I havent at all.

I never said you called the whole film crap. I pointed out that you judged this particular aspect as a mistake without knowing anything.

Exactly, I simply hope the writing is good enough to make it believable that, in that suit, Whiplash can pose a threat to Iron Man.

That's the best any of us can hope for at this point.

 

[DocHoliday]

I never said you called the whole film crap. I pointed out that you judged this particular aspect as a mistake without knowing anything.



That's the best any of us can hope for at this point.

It all goes back to the fact that people are way to defensive over anything they perceive as scrutiny. Whether it be hair color or whether Whiplash poses a threat as seen in the photo. I know that chances are he only fights him in this form while Stark's out of the suit but the guy simply said that Whiplash being that exposed against an armored Stark wouldn't be a match. Most people I talk to feel the same way. Voicing that concern does not mean that he's anti-the movie. It's no different than saying that the Mark I would get destroyed by the Mark III easily.


Anyway, we may get more news on this matter at CC.

 

[Brian Braddock]

So no one thinks the event at the race track is Whiplash catching Tony by surprise, out of his IM suit; cause that's all it appear to be to me.

I do.

I also beleive the race track encounter will cause Whiplash to augment his outfit with armour/protection.

1st encounter - Tony (no armour) vs Whiplash (minimal protection)
2nd encounter - Tony (with armour) vs Whiplash (with protection/armour)

 

[Spiderine]

Why is everyone think this is Whiplash final look. They said there will be some sort of fusion between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo. So its likely he will have an armored suit as well as the film progresses.

 

[dark_b]

Why is everyone think this is Whiplash final look. They said there will be some sort of fusion between Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo. So its likely he will have an armored suit as well as the film progresses.

a lot of people think this is not the final suit. but i think the he will get the upgrade suit at the end.

 

[dark_b]

I do.

I also beleive the race track encounter will cause Whiplash to augment his outfit with armour/protection.

1st encounter - Tony (no armour) vs Whiplash (minimal protection)

but you have to admit that they are spending a lot of money on that scene. they builded the set outside. and only for Tony getting owned by whiplash?
and if there is a fight with Tony(without suit) then i must remind everyone that the title is iron man. not tony stark.
if they said that there will be more action because the final fight was not good enough then it wouldnt make sense to have a fight without the suit.

remember guys the suit was not working with 100% power at the end of the first movie. so the first fight with whiplash would be without the suit?
isnt this against everything they want to top?

 

[Son of Coul]

Every picture displayed, especially the one with Tony in a ****ing race suit, has pointed to Whiplash surprise attacking him as he races. So what if they said they're upping the action? Doesn't mean they HAVE to have action in that particular scene. And who's to say War Machine or someone won't drop in?

Edit: As a matter of fact, they could even go back there later for some reason and fight again, the set doesn't have to be in one scene.

 

[Venom'sDad]

I'm sure it's one scene, but something obviously happen to make Whiplash slowly recognize over time, he needs to upgrade his technology to take own IM.... at least to the point by the end of the film he's totally engulf with the CD tech.