BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

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[Captain Tired]

Implying what?

Well aren't you saying that Snyder essentially ghostwrote the film? And if this were the case, I think that a writer of Terrio's talents would know either when to shoot Snyder down, or leave the project completely. Christ, I'm just so confused about this issue. I even remember Affleck praising the script and saying that he was proud of what they'd done. And that's not even mentioning Eisenberg constantly waffling on about how great Terrio's writing is. Affleck's an oscar winning screenwriter and Eisenberg's a published writer for goodness sake. Is it possible that Terrio's just an expert hoodwinker who got insanely lucky that one time!?

 

[redfirebird2008]

Well aren't you saying that Snyder essentially ghostwrote the whole film? And if this were the case, I think that a writer of Terrio's talents would know either when to shoot Snyder down, or leave the project completely. Christ, I'm just so confused about this issue. I even remember Affleck praising the script and saying that he was proud of what they'd done. And that's not even mentioning Eisenberg constantly waffling on about how great Terrio's writing is. Affleck's an oscar winning writer and Eisenberg's a publish writer for goodness sake. Is it possible that Terrio's just an expert hoodwinker who got insanely lucky that one time!?

I didn't say ghost-wrote, I said gave strong input and then the writer does the actual writing. Directors have a ton of input on this kind of thing, especially if it's a project they are part of from the ground up. Snyder did not just walk into a project with a finished script. He was there from the beginning and his wife was a producer. They had plenty of influence on the writing process.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

I said this in the JL thread,

Anyone think that if there's a JL director swap, and delay that it could almost act as a soft reboot in the vein of X-Men DOFP? Singer used all the previous actors, but changed everything he felt didn't work in the previous X-Men movies. He gave back future Wolverine adamantium claws, removed the Japanese side-kick he got from The Wolverine, totally disregarded the mutant cure plot from X-Men 3, recast of Bolivar Trask, and many other things to make that movie function. I realize time travel helped hand wave a lot of this stuff away, but other stuff he outright ignored to make the story better.

Any thoughts?

 

[CrystalShaman]

It has to be a course correction for sure. If there is a delay, we could see a solo film or two which does a soft reboot in regards to the tone before we get back to JL.

 

[king666]

Soft reboot is the way to go, imo.

 

[writer0327]

I said this in the JL thread,

Anyone think that if there's a JL director swap, and delay that it could almost act as a soft reboot in the vein of X-Men DOFP? Singer used all the previous actors, but changed everything he felt didn't work in the previous X-Men movies. He gave back future Wolverine adamantium claws, removed the Japanese side-kick he got from The Wolverine, totally disregarded the mutant cure plot from X-Men 3, recast of Bolivar Trask, and many other things to make that movie function. I realize time travel helped hand wave a lot of this stuff away, but other stuff he outright ignored to make the story better.

Any thoughts?

I don't think a soft reboot is needed, but a director change certainly is.

You can keep this moving forward with the same schedule, but there needs to be an abrupt climate change immediately. They need to go from Winter straight into Summer, no time for spring time. Whatever they have for JLA, they need to revisit and make sure it has the proper tone: FUN. We need the next film with Superman to be a complete 180 from this. Batman can be dark, brooding, whatever, but Superman needs to be brightened up in a major way. The next film needs a strong response.

 

[Zero_Effect]

I really don't think they can change directors on JL. It starts filming in a few weeks. Justice League 2 on the other hand plenty of time to get a new director on that.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

Sack Snyder.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

 

[Mysteryman]

I really don't think they can change directors on JL. It starts filming in a few weeks. Justice League 2 on the other hand plenty of time to get a new director on that.

I really hope that WB will wait and see how JL turns out before they make that decision.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

By soft reboot I mean stuff critics and fans didn't really like
-Make Superman Superman in JL, he's done questioning himself, and thinking about ramifications. Just have him be Superman already.
-Say that Batman decided to stop killing people after events of BVS
-lighten the tone up

Wouldn't even need to have a big explanation for these things, do what Singer did in DOFP and roll with it.

 

[Mysteryman]

Well, i have been hearing from friends that this is unequivocally a Superman movie.

As for Batman killing, it has not affected the box office in the past.

And this weekend, Audiences all over the world will let us know if they want WB to lighten the tone in JL.
I heard BVS had its moments of Humor.

 

[Consona]

-Make Superman Superman in JL, he's done questioning himself, and thinking about ramifications. Just have him be Superman already.
-Say that Batman decided to stop killing people after events of BVS
-lighten the tone up.

I'm so glad Snyder shakes things up. I hope he and WB will not change their direction. I hope they will just continue with the story...

 

[OutOfBoose]

Snyder should freaking stay at least on Justice League. BvS was incredible. It's not perfect, but I don't remember the last time I picked up my jaw from floor in a theater. No other comic book movie did that for me. I wonder if all these people, who voted against him, even watched the movie...

 

[Sevprince]

At this point, I don't even know what sacking Hack Snyder will accomplish. He already set the tone and established murdering ******* Superman and Batman. I don't know what new director can do to fix this cluster****. Unless they do some kind of recon like Darkseid had the real Supes and Bats kidnapped in apocalypse or Superman wakes up and it was all a nightmare, etc.

 

[jmc]

As much as I hate to admit it you actually have a good point. It might be too late to fix.

 

[SpideyZERO]

At this point, I don't even know what sacking Hack Snyder will accomplish. He already set the tone and established murdering ******* Superman and Batman. I don't know what new director can do to fix this cluster****. Unless they do some kind of recon like Darkseid had the real Supes and Bats kidnapped in apocalypse or Superman wakes up and it was all a nightmare, etc.

Knightmare within a knightmare!

Though I actually fear that the movie doing well BO wise and Snyder proceeding as Director. I guess I finally understand what the transformers fans think of Bay

 

[DA_Champion]

As much as I hate to admit it you actually have a good point. It might be too late to fix.

I disagree. A few good movies is all it takes.

Did First Class and the Wolverine not help out greatly after Wolverine Origins and The Last Stand?

They're also in a good position to move forward. Snyder, for all his faults, was at least arrogant rather than insecure. The other directors in the DCEU are not fellow countrymen from the land of mediocria, but good, strong, respected directors. So the odds of the next two movies being good are solid.

The issue is if they're willing to bite the bullet on tens of millions of dollars to delay JL. Any new director who comes in is probably going to need time.

 

[TWayneP]

As much as I hate to admit it you actually have a good point. It might be too late to fix.

As much as I dislike BvS... it's not too late to fix with a proper director. They just need to find someone who has a firm grasp on what these characters are all about. The tone and darkness isn't a problem, it just needs to be featured in a fantastic film.

Batman can be fixed in solo films or Justice League by letting [BLACKOUT]Superman's death be his source of inspiration to go by his no killing code again[/BLACKOUT], then in the solo film, really flesh out why he gave up, and kills (hopefully because of the Robin death.) You can work with what Snyder laid out, especially since Batman's last scene is very hopeful, that he [BLACKOUT]wouldn't brand Lex to a death sentence.[/BLACKOUT]

Superman can be fixed for obvious reasons [BLACKOUT]resurrect him back with a new outlook[/BLACKOUT] and Wonder Woman is in a good spot. She wasn't in it long enough for Snyder to completely **** up.

Lex is in jail, F it, just leave him there, lets forget about him and move on. Get the perfect characterization of Darkseid or Braniac, and more and no one will care about Lex.

There's still a ton of great material to work with, BvS is just NOT how you kickstart a universe lol. It feels more like it should be a 3rd or 4th film in a series. The context is nonsensical for a lot of scenes. If given time, the story could be fleshed out and fixed.

Much like how Days of Future Past made X-men 3, actually look GOOD. It made it almost necessary and a "dark" path that had to be taken. It works more now than it did in 2006. It could be the same for BvS.

 

[roach]

I didn't say ghost-wrote, I said gave strong input and then the writer does the actual writing. Directors have a ton of input on this kind of thing, especially if it's a project they are part of from the ground up. Snyder did not just walk into a project with a finished script. He was there from the beginning and his wife was a producer. They had plenty of influence on the writing process.

Every director has a strong influence on the script. Writers are pretty much 3rd class citizens in Hollywood. Even if a writer writes a script and sells it a director can come in and bring his own writer on the movie.

In a situation like this movie. Snyder and Goyer got together and came up with the story and then Goyer went off and wrote it. Goyer comes back with a first draft.
Goyer, Snyder and every producer and executive then sit down and have what is called a story meeting. They say what they like, what they don't like, what needs to be added and what needs to be taken out.
Goyer then goes and writes draft 2. Another story meeting...more notes.
Goyer writes draft 3. At the point Goyer has fulfilled his contract (script contracts call for three drafts).
WB either contracts him again or brings in another writer.
WB brings in Terrio.
Story meeting over draft 3 takes place and Terrio is given notes.
Rinse and repeat of Terrio.
So please don't try to make this seem like Snyder took charge.

 

[DA_Champion]

TwayneP, I agree with your easy strategy to fix Superman.

 

[O.C Cobblebot]

I don't think we need a complete reboot, but I am open for changing director for JL1. I like the world Snyder has created, but BvS as a film just doesn't work. Main characters can change without rebooting the whole DC universe.

Batman isn't lost cause, he is just in very dark place. Maybe JL members bring him back to his old ways.

 

[jmc]

I just think this is such a cluster **** now. Someone said to me it felt like BvS was about 3 movies merged into one and it's hard to disagree with them. I have to honest in this assessment but Marvel were correct in how they approached their universe. Their way is the correct way, it might not have been perfect, but it was consistent and the payoff to the build up was worth it. This was never the right thing to do for any of these characters.