BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[ThePhantasm]

What would the point have even been if he did cast Eisenberg in that role?

To wig you out maaaaan

 

[TheScarecrow]

It would have just been awesome that's why.

 

[DA_Champion]

What would the point have even been if he did cast Eisenberg in that role?

To create a redirect. The general audience would not have expected a major actor to be killed off so early so it would have caught them by surprise.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

What would the point have even been if he did cast Eisenberg in that role?

shock factor? who knows.

 

[Wise]

I don't think he meant "it'll be fun to kill Jimmy," I think he meant "it'll be fun to set up a Psycho-like misdirect where a character who you think is going to survive in fact dies." I might be wrong. Snyder isn't the most articulate person, he seems to struggle with what he really wants to say sometimes. You kind of have to read between the lines at points.

It's still killing a character who is an important and beloved part of the mythos for cheap thrills.

 

[Boom]

To create a redirect. The general audience would not have expected a major actor to be killed off so early so it would have caught them by surprise.

Seems pointless.

The Psycho misdirect at least serviced that story.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

the top comment on that faraci article pretty much nailed it

Jimmy Olsen was Superman's biggest admirer, someone who believed in Superman no matter what and looked up to him with wide-eyed optimism that reflects how we look up to Superman.

So of course Zack Snyder shot him in the head.

 

[ThePhantasm]

They gave Lois the biggest admirer no matter what role.

 

[Jekecy]

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03...ocking-thing-he-did-to-a-beloved-dc-character

Basically, Snyder couldn't figure out how to fit Olsen into the story, but he wanted to do something cool with it so he was like "why not kill Olsen"?

Then, they were going to cast Eisenberg as Olsen as "redirect", because people don't expect a famous actor killed. They saw how crazy Eisenberg could be, and Snyder asked his wife permission to cast Eisenberg as Lex instead. They had previously been planning on Cranston. Snyder said it's weird because the movie would have been so different with Cranston as Lex.

That Cranston bit sounds like presumption by the author. No direct quote from Snyder.

Here's the vehement denial straight from the man's mouth:

 

[ThePhantasm]

It's still killing a character who is an important and beloved part of the mythos for cheap thrills.

I'm not excusing it, just trying to untangle his reasoning. It wasn't "I hate Jimmy hurr hurr hurr" more like "I'm not using this character anytime soon so let's play with the audience's expectations, hurr hurr hurr"

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It rings truer when that admirer isn't also ******* Superman.

 

[Jekecy]

I'm not excusing it, just trying to untangle his reasoning. It wasn't "I hate Jimmy hurr hurr hurr" more like "I'm not using this character anytime soon so let's play with the audience's expectations, hurr hurr hurr"

I agree, and considering Jimmy was never intended to be a significant role in this universe it's neither here nor there for me.

But it is intriguing how quick and vitriolic these comments are getting thrown at Zack. It's safe to say he's wasted all the goodwill from the fanboy community. Comic Con 2016 is going to interesting...

 

[ThePhantasm]

It rings truer when that admirer isn't also ******* Superman.

then why does Jimmy have that special "call me anytime" signal watch

 

[jmc]

I'm not a Superman purist by any means, but the more I read about this Jimmy Olsen thing the more it pisses me off how much Snyder doesn't respect the characters he supposedly loves. Oh, he's one of us right? He's a fan, he treats the source material with respect! Bull ****. I don't want to hear crap again about Nolan not respecting the source material simply because he chose not to have super natural elements in his Batman movies.

 

[Wise]

I'm not a Superman purist by any means, but the more I read about this Jimmy Olsen thing the more it pisses me off how much Snyder doesn't respect the characters he supposedly loves. Oh, he's one of us right? He's a fan, he treats the source material with respect! Bull ****. I don't want to hear crap again about Nolan not respecting the source material simply because he chose not to have super natural elements in his Batman movies.

The only comic book writer Snyder loves is Frank Miller.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

The only comic book writer Snyder loves is Frank Miller.

and the only comic he cares about is TDKR

 

[LostSon88]

I've been trying to give Snyder the benefit of the doubt on a lot of things but, killing off Olsen just for the hell of it just screams of him giving the finger to the fanbase...

I've always been kind of "meh" when it comes to the Jimmy Olsen character so ultimately it doesn't bother me that much. What does bother me is how Snyder just made a seemingly random decision to kill him off.

Don't have room for him in the future? Don't use him.

It's that simple.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The difference between Nolan and Snyder:

For TDK Nolan created Ramirez in place of Montoya because he knew Montoya wouldn't be a traitor and working with the mob so he created a new character instead of betraying the original.

We can whine all day on how Batman's armor doesn't look that good, but that's respect and understanding of the course material that is deeper.

 

[antonydelfini]

A few days ago, i wanted him gone. After watching BvS, Im finally a fan.

 

[jmc]

The difference between Nolan and Snyder:

For TDK Nolan created Ramirez in place of Montoya because he knew Montoya wouldn't be a traitor and working with the mob so he created a new character instead of betraying the original.

We can whine all day on how Batman's armor doesn't look that good, but that's respect and understanding of the course material that is deeper.

Exactly, John Blake is another. He's not Dick Grayson or Jason Todd or any of the other Robin's, he's an amalgamation of all of them.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I saw the film today.

#SackSnyder

 

[BatLobster]

The difference between Nolan and Snyder:

For TDK Nolan created Ramirez in place of Montoya because he knew Montoya wouldn't be a traitor and working with the mob so he created a new character instead of betraying the original.

We can whine all day on how Batman's armor doesn't look that good, but that's respect and understanding of the course material that is deeper.

Excellent point.

and the only comic he cares about is TDKR

It's really sad...I feel like the live action adaptation of TDKR is the movie that Snyder would've been destined to nail (if you're a fan of the super-faithful CBM adaptation style like Sin City, 300, Watchmen, etc). This movie kind of shows that.

Of course, given how great the animated version was...it would be redundant and kind of unnecessary. But an Elseworlds, stand alone story is probably a better fit for Snyder than a giant tentpole, franchise-building movie like this.

 

[Lily Adler]

Is the poll closed?

 

[Primal Slayer]

The polls don't work after the original thread is closed.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Yeah, it got merged into an old thread and the poll was replaced by an old, closed poll.