BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Kobra]

I like Zack Snyder. He has made plenty of movies that i enjoyed, i like his style and he has the guts to make controversial decisions. I like that.

That being said, it's hard to argue that there are indeed better directors out there and maybe it's time for new blood.

I personally think Zack Snyder should stop having anything to do with the story/plot of the movie. Just hire a couple of really talented and proven writers and let them play alone. Chris Terrio is a great writer, but there's only so much he can do when someone else is deciding where the story should go.

 

[TheScarecrow]

lol

When will people learn that petitions are a waste of time?

It's not my taste but I signed anyway.

I'm choosing to see it as a positive way to send a good message that gets to the studio.

For instance, the top-rated comment is "when will we get a hopeful Superman".

 

[AnneFan]

I wonder what Michael Keaton thinks of this petition?

 

[bluearth]

I hope whoever votes in that petition doesnt have someone like JJ Abrams in mind to replace Snyder. I'll take Snyder's reckless genius over an 'entertainer' like Abrams anyday

I like Zack Snyder. He has made plenty of movies that i enjoyed, i like his style and he has the guts to make controversial decisions. I like that.

That being said, it's hard to argue that there are indeed better directors out there and maybe it's time for new blood.

I personally think Zack Snyder should stop having anything to do with the story/plot of the movie. Just hire a couple of really talented and proven writers and let them play alone. Chris Terrio is a great writer, but there's only so much he can do when someone else is deciding where the story should go.

Justice League Part 2 should be made by someone else. If nothing more then the fact it would be really bad for everyone involved including Snyder if he made 4 DC movies in a row

 

[TheScarecrow]

"Reckless genius"?

Really?

Abrams produced genuine emotional material in TFA. Snyder produced clumsy dream sequences and incredibly strained christ metaphors.

Not even in the same league as Abrams by a mile!

 

[The Joker]

Snyder's reckless, but he's no genius. Abrams could deliver something Snyder seems to be unable to; an entertaining comic book movie.

 

[-Arya-]

If Snyder is allowed to make more films after JL then...I don't know, I might just give up on having a half way decent cinematic universe. Hopefully the solo films can balance everything out.

 

[Kobra]

"Reckless genius"?

Really?

Abrams produced genuine emotional material in TFA. Snyder produced clumsy dream sequences and incredibly strained christ metaphors.

Not even in the same league as Abrams by a mile!

TFA felt like a remake to me. There's nothing original or remarkable about it. It's a safe and nostalgic movie. That's why it worked. I don't think Zack is interested in making those type of movies, which works against him. Personally, i couldn't care less about Abrams. I don't think he is the right choice. I would take Ben Affleck before Abrams.

 

[Claude_Speed]

Liked the movie. Lot's of awesome stuff that we've never seen before.

That being said, Snyder has to go. The most popular superheros in the world need to be appealing to the general audience and even critics, not just DC fans. A part of me wants this film be a great financial success. Another wants it to be a financial disappointment so WB has no reason to keep Snyder anymore.

I think keeping him would be more harmful at this point. Think about the message WB will be sending if they settle with a mixed-bad reception but financial success: We're all about the money. Do we really want the DCEU to be seen as the next Transformers? do you want the DCEU to be looked at as a joke? a lame attempt to have a Marvel universe? or do you want these icons to be respected and admired by most people?

I really really hope they make something about this. Last time they changed the screenwriter, now we know for certain he wasn't the only problem. As much as I like MOS, Snyder should have been gone after it, but WB seems to be run by morons sometimes. I mean look who's the screenwriter for WW. Look at his work, all mediocre-bad films. There's absolutely no way I'm going to be overly excited about WW for that reason, even with Patty Jenkins on board. I'm expecting it to be a critical failure and a disappointing film. Next thing you know, the same guy is also writing Lobo...really? you handed him another property without knowing how good-bad WW is? FFS...

If you want to hire mediocre filmmakers then you better have a Kevin Feige type of person keeping an eye one them. Until then, get the best filmmakers you can, especially when you're going for a director oriented universe. Now think about the way you would feel if WB announced Ben Affleck will be directing the JL, or George Miller. Would you feel angry, or relieved?

I think the answer is obvious for most people. I like Zack Snyder, I really do, but as long as he keeps making decisions because "it looks cool" and because "that's how it was in the comics" he should go back to direct lower budget CBM's. When he understands he's in charge of icons that are meant to appeal to everyone; men, women, parents, grandparents, etc. and he proves his skills as a story teller then let him in charge of big properties. But for now, if WB decides to keep him, which I'm thinking is very likely, the DCEU is pretty is pretty much doomed.

 

[NJCaliboi]

Don't you guys think that letting Snyder go sends a bad message to the general public? Sure some will view it with praise and come into the next movies more optimistic, but the general audience doesn't even know who he is. If you sack Snyder than you appear to be in panic mode. I like that WB hasn't shown any concern or fear, they are coming across confident and that's somewhat needed. I think sacking your director sends a bad message.

Maybe the compromise is Zack directs and ONLY directs- no input on story, no writing credits- just DIRECTION. This, I think, is the best solution.

 

[matt47]

The only movie I love of Zacks is Man of Steel. The rest have big issues for me. So yeah, I'd be fine with him leaving the directing chair. Have him produce it of course! But not directing.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Letting Snyder go does look like WB has lost confidence in him as a director. And also didn't like the reception of BVS. However they could save face if is replacement is a guy of high pedigree, someone on the level of George Miller, JJ Abrams, or Ben Affleck.

People wouldn't say man WB's JL is in a bad position
They'd say wow a George Miller JL movie!

 

[Claude_Speed]

28% at RT, the bad message has already been sent. WB will either deal with the problem or let it continue. Of course announcing it now would be a bad idea since BvS is still in theaters, but when the movie has made most of it's money they can announce it. In the mean time they should just postpone the JL filmming date like McWeeny said.

 

[king666]

28% at RT, the bad message has already been sent. WB will either deal with the problem or let it continue. Of course announcing it now would be a bad idea since BvS is still in theaters, but when the movie has made most of it's money they can announce it. In the mean time they should just postpone the JL filmming date like McWeeny said.

Yeah. They wouldn't remove Snyder from JL while BvS is still in theaters.

 

[Rapunzel]

Everyone I know cried/felt sad at

Spoiler

Supes' death....but not one of them felt a thing when Haan Solo -- Han F-king Solo- died. They felt it was rushed and stupid. Tell me again how JJ Abrams is so great?

 

[king666]

Everyone I know cried/felt sad at

Spoiler

Supes' death....but not one of them felt a thing when Haan Solo -- Han F-king Solo- died. They felt it was rushed and stupid. Tell me again how JJ Abrams is so great?

I don't love JJ Abrams, but he's serviceable. He's an OK director.

 

[DA_Champion]

There are better directors than Abrams with which to replace Snyder. However, Abrams would at least be a sure thing, as in a sure thing to produce an "adequate" justice league film. Most of Abrams' recent films are adequate, certainly better than adequate from a commercial standpoint.

But WB should really let go of Snyder at this point, or at least curtail him. The DCEU is rapidly becoming toxic, like Transformers and Twilight before it. If they keep it up, it will have the same reputation as Transformers and Twilight, where people all over the world can just say things like "The Superman movies are proof that box office and film quality are unrelated" or "The Superman movies show that if a dumb movie is pretty to look at, it will be fun for the masses".

Eventually that catches up and becomes toxic. Transformers 4 had a North American gross that was ~30% lower than that of Transformers 3 in spite of adding in the dinobots, and Transformers 5 is likely to do worse.

 

[Tony Gunk]

Reckless genius? He's almost the opposite of genius

I've liked a few of his films, but he's never made a brilliant film and you can't have characters like this dividing the GA so much. Add to that his lack of respect for Superman and I'd be all for someone replacing him, even Abrams who could at least deliver a solid well structured film.

WB were gushing over the intake for the weekend though so clearly that's all that matters to them and they won't be taking any action. We're stuck with him

 

[DA_Champion]

Reckless genius? He's almost the opposite of genius

I've liked a few of his films, but he's never made a brilliant film and you can't have characters like this dividing the GA so much. Add to that his lack of respect for Superman and I'd be all for someone replacing him, even Abrams who could at least deliver a solid well structured film.

WB were gushing over the intake for the weekend though so clearly that's all that matters to them and they won't be taking any action. We're stuck with him

I believe that WB is smart enough to realize that the opening weekend gross represents a triumph of marketing.

 

[NJCaliboi]

Don't you guys think that letting Snyder go sends a bad message to the general public? Sure some will view it with praise and come into the next movies more optimistic, but the general audience doesn't even know who he is. If you sack Snyder than you appear to be in panic mode. I like that WB hasn't shown any concern or fear, they are coming across confident and that's somewhat needed. I think sacking your director sends a bad message.

Maybe the compromise is Zack directs and ONLY directs- no input on story, no writing credits- just DIRECTION. This, I think, is the best solution.

Even if you hate Zack you have to admit that I have a valid point why DC should keep him. You have to protect the franchise, agreed, but getting rid of him could potentially cause harm too.

Keeping him in a more limited capacity solves everyone's issue!

 

[ManWithNoName18]

JJ Abrams is sort of like Snyder in that he probably has his own idea of how the DC universe should work, and how characters should be.

Look at Star Trek and Into Darkness. Star Trek fans ended up hating the movies, and Into Darkness got voted worst Star Trek movie by fans. The main complain they had was that he tried to turn the series into an action/adventure Star Wars like thing.

But JJ Abrams also made his Star Trek movies critically liked and GA liked. Both got great reviews.

 

[-Arya-]

The problem with keeping Snyder as director of JL is this: there will be little to no hype behind it. Critics, fans, and according to Cinemascore, a good portion of the GA simply did not like BvS for a variety of reasons. Even if you enjoyed BvS, you have to admit that the situation is pretty bad right now.

 

[king666]

JJ Abrams is sort of like Snyder in that he probably has his own idea of how the DC universe should work, and how characters should be.

Look at Star Trek and Into Darkness. Star Trek fans ended up hating the movies, and Into Darkness got voted worst Star Trek movie by fans. The main complain they had was that he tried to turn the series into an action/adventure Star Wars like thing.

But JJ Abrams also made his Star Trek movies critically liked and GA liked. Both got great reviews.

But he wouldn't be a bad choice for Justice League. He also made [what I think is] the most serviceable big budget movie ever: TFA. Movie had flaws, but it worked. Abrams can direct charismatic characters and I feel like the DCEU desperately needs that.

It's all wishful thinking, though. Just like George Miller.

 

[Tony Gunk]

The problem with keeping Snyder as director of JL is this: there will be little to no hype behind it. Critics, fans, and according to Cinemascore, a good portion of the GA simply did not like BvS for a variety of reasons. Even if you enjoyed BvS, you have to admit that the situation is pretty bad right now.

Good point, 3 years of excitement for BvS and even I feel like I'll struggle to get any sense of excitement for JL.

So many people are just going to look at it and that he's directing it and say NO. I wish people would stop pretending the GA doesn't know who he is too, because they do, I've seen it first hand

 

[-Arya-]

Good point, 3 years of excitement for BvS and even I feel like I'll struggle to get any sense of excitement for JL.

So many people are just going to look at it and that he's directing it and say NO. I wish people would stop pretending the GA doesn't know who he is too, because they do, I've seen it first hand

Precisely. All the trailers and TV spots blatantly had "From director Zack Snyder" right in there. Do we honestly believe there'll be excitement if the same text appears in front of JL? Hell no.