BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

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Snyder isn't going anywhere. He is the godfather of the dcu. He is producing and over seeing this universe. No matter how much fans complain. George miller is a producer on these Justice League films too. Is that hope? Snyder knows what he wants and maybe he needs to listen to fans but remember that Michael Bay gets always rammed by fans and critical reviews and he still turns a profit and he got slammed since his 2nd transformers film and he is still making them. Someone must like them. Who is seeing these films to make that much money if lots of people hate them????
This might happen with Snyder. I love his films but see what I'm getting at? If these make a big profit he will stay.
 
Logan0327 said:
- it was reported that terrio rewrote his script
- affleck keeps saying terrio wrote a great script
- jesse couldn't stop talking terrio up

but people still bashing goyer
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Is it weird that I find MOS better DIRECTED, but BVS better WRITTEN?

And even then, I've been longing for a Russo Bros quality script :(
 
batfreakforever said:
Snyder isn't going anywhere. He is the godfather of the dcu. He is producing and over seeing this universe. No matter how much fans complain. George miller is a producer on these Justice League films too. Is that hope? Snyder knows what he wants and maybe he needs to listen to fans but remember that Michael Bay gets always rammed by fans and critical reviews and he still turns a profit and he got slammed since his 2nd transformers film and he is still making them. Someone must like them. Who is seeing these films to make that much money if lots of people hate them????
This might happen with Snyder. I love his films but see what I'm getting at? If these make a big profit he will stay.
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If Snyder isn't going anywhere then I am done with DCU. Even though I am primarily a DC fan, I will just focus on Marvel movies from now on. Hopefully, at some point Disney will buy out DC comics, fire Snyder and hire a competent director to reboot DCU. The biggest strength of MCU is that they are very good at hiring competent writer and directors for their movies. Warner Bros hire incompetent, talentless hacks like Snyder and keep rehiring them even when their movies, such as MOS, underperform. Such a company deserves to go bankrupt.
 
OdinSon said:
If Snyder isn't going anywhere then I am done with DCU. Even though I am primarily a DC fan, I will just focus on Marvel movies from now on. Hopefully, at some point Disney will buy out DC comics, fire Snyder and hire a competent director to reboot DCU. The biggest strength of MCU is that they are very good at hiring competent writer and directors for their movies. Warner Bros hire incompetent, talentless hacks like Snyder and keep rehiring them even when their movies, such as MOS, underperform. Such a company deserves to go bankrupt.
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Snyder isn't directing all the DCEU films. I have a lot of confidence in the solo films, but as far as JL goes...yeah I've lost interest in that.
 
-Arya- said:
Snyder isn't directing all the DCEU films. I have a lot of confidence in the solo films, but as far as JL goes...yeah I've lost interest in that.
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But he is still injecting ideas and plot points in other movies. He is having impact in all of the DCU movies and other directors are supposed to follow his vision, however blind and dimwitted it is. Considering he has made some really dumb decisions, such as killing Superman in BVS, that is a very bad thing. If I were a director of other DC movies, I will avoid Snyder's suggestions like plague. In fact, I wouldn't let him within 10 miles of my film production.
 
OdinSon said:
But he is still injecting ideas and plot points in other movies. He is having impact in all of the DCU movies and other directors are supposed to follow his vision, however blind and dimwitted it is. Considering he has made some really dumb decisions, such as killing Superman in BVS, that is a very bad thing. If I were a director of other DC movies, I will avoid Snyder's suggestions like plague. In fact, I wouldn't let him within 10 miles of my film production.
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It's ultimately up to the directors themselves to include or not include anything. That's the beauty of having a different team in charge of the solo properties.
 
-Arya- said:
It's ultimately up to the directors themselves to include or not include anything. That's the beauty of having a different team in charge of the solo properties.
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In that case, I hope they do the right thing and ignore Snyders suggestions completely. By the way, I also heard that the script writer for Wonder Women movie is really incompetent. If that is true, I will be worried about WW as well.
 
OdinSon said:
In that case, I hope they do the right thing and ignore Snyders suggestions completely. By the way, I also heard that the script writer for Wonder Women movie is really incompetent. If that is true, I will be worried about WW as well.
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Honestly aside from Ayer I can't think of any writer or director attached to upcoming DC movies that doesn't feel like a coin toss in terms of good output. Ayer seems like the exception not just because of his film history but because HE approached WB with the SS idea, not the other way around. Everyone else seems like a gun for hire. And maybe I'm wrong but I don't think any of these upcoming movies are being written or directed by WB's first choices either.
 
Deadline's final update on the weekend numbers contains this analysis, FWIW:

BvS, a property that it’s been developing for two decades (Wolfgang Petersen was attached to direct at one point) didn’t exactly take off as hoped. Agita resides at the studio as Snyder, who became too intoxicated by the Dark Knight-and-the-son-of Jor’El brawl, hasn’t reignited the DC franchise in a way that J.J. Abrams did for Disney and Star Wars. It’s going to take more than a visual stylist to move these DC films forward. Christopher Nolan was able to turn these dark DC stories into the smart Dark Knight series, but many argue that Snyder has thrown everything and the kitchen sink at BvS. On social media, per Relish Mix, Jesse Eisenberg’s turn as Lex Luther ticked fans off. WB is now tasked with proving to critics and fans why Snyder is the guy for the Justice League job, and must seriously consider content improvements moving forward in DC 2.0.
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http://deadline.com/2016/04/batman-v-superman-box-office-second-weekend-gods-not-dead-2-1201729796/
 
Poni_Boy said:
Honestly aside from Ayer I can't think of any writer or director attached to upcoming DC movies that doesn't feel like a coin toss in terms of good output. Ayer seems like the exception not just because of his film history but because HE approached WB with the SS idea, not the other way around. Everyone else seems like a gun for hire. And maybe I'm wrong but I don't think any of these upcoming movies are being written or directed by WB's first choices either.
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That is very concerning. I think WB's should hold off on making these movies until they can find good directors. It's better to wait then hiring incompetent directors like Snyder and ruin these properties. They are not only potentially losing hundreds of millions of dollars in each movie but also destroying public interest in the characters.

Before anyone objects to my statement that "WB lost hundreds of millions of dollars in these movies" let me state my reasoning. I believe BVS, in hands of a good director, could have made around 1.5 billions. But because it was a bad movie, now they will end up making between 800 to 900 hundred millions. That is a potential loss of 600 to 700 millions in box office gross. If studios keep 40-50% of BO gross, they will end up losing around ~300 million dollars. They can thank Snyder.
 
The fact that he's going to direct the Justice League movie makes me extremely nervous... The same thing happened with BvS as MOS, they looked fantastic up until I actually went to go see them. I know they're not going to fire him, but it would solve a lot of problems for WB. The illusion of the true problem gone, because we all know deep down inside it was more than just Snyder. Someone must pay though, lol. A captain should go down with his ship.
 
batfreakforever said:
Snyder isn't going anywhere. He is the godfather of the dcu. He is producing and over seeing this universe. No matter how much fans complain. George miller is a producer on these Justice League films too. Is that hope? Snyder knows what he wants and maybe he needs to listen to fans but remember that Michael Bay gets always rammed by fans and critical reviews and he still turns a profit and he got slammed since his 2nd transformers film and he is still making them. Someone must like them. Who is seeing these films to make that much money if lots of people hate them????
This might happen with Snyder. I love his films but see what I'm getting at? If these make a big profit he will stay.
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What if they don't make massive profits? MOS and now BVS both seem to have disappointed at the box office. WB must be questioning whether to keep him. They wont get rid while the film is still in theaters but if it doesn't pick up then i could see him being gone in a couple of months.

Although saying that Arad is still at Sony.
 
OdinSon said:
That is very concerning. I think WB's should hold off on making these movies until they can find good directors. It's better to wait then hiring incompetent directors like Snyder and ruin these properties. They are not only potentially losing hundreds of millions of dollars in each movie but also destroying public interest in the characters.

Before anyone objects to my statement that "WB lost hundreds of millions of dollars in these movies" let me state my reasoning. I believe BVS, in hands of a good director, could have made around 1.5 billions. But because it was a bad movie, now they will end up making between 800 to 900 hundred millions. That is a potential loss of 600 to 700 millions in box office gross. If studios keep 40-50% of BO gross, they will end up losing around ~300 million dollars. They can thank Snyder.
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I agree. Like I said in anther thread, WB needs to go the Marvel route and hire writers/directors that WANT to tell stories about these characters not just whoever says "yes" for a paycheck. Look at the dude they got to direct Flash. And Jenkins wasn't even the first choice for Wonder Woman. Hell Snyder wasn't even the fifth choice to direct MOS. It feels like they're begging for leftover scraps and are just happy with signing anyone.
 
Poni_Boy said:
I agree. Like I said in anther thread, WB needs to go the Marvel route and hire writers/directors that WANT to tell stories about these characters not just whoever says "yes" for a paycheck. Look at the dude they got to direct Flash. And Jenkins wasn't even the first choice for Wonder Woman. Hell Snyder wasn't even the fifth choice to direct MOS. It feels like they're begging for leftover scraps and are just happy with signing anyone.
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What Marvel director other then Whedon fits that?
 
Poni_Boy said:
I agree. Like I said in anther thread, WB needs to go the Marvel route and hire writers/directors that WANT to tell stories about these characters not just whoever says "yes" for a paycheck. Look at the dude they got to direct Flash. And Jenkins wasn't even the first choice for Wonder Woman. Hell Snyder wasn't even the fifth choice to direct MOS. It feels like they're begging for leftover scraps and are just happy with signing anyone.
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But why are Warner Bros struggling to find good directors? Disney seems to find them easily. Do directors have some problem with WB?
 
OdinSon said:
But why are Warner Bros struggling to find good directors? Disney seems to find them easily. Do directors have some problem with WB?
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I think because the reception to their non-Nolan movies have been mixed to poor. I think because writers and directors know WB will use them as scapegoats if movies fail (look at Goyer with BvS, Campbell with GL). I think because Marvel has proven themselves but utilizing Kevin Feige to the best of his abilities as mediator between studio and talent, while WB doesn't have a person in that role.
 
Zero_Effect said:
Those all look like directors for hire to me.
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Then you don't know what that term means bud. Or you're being obtuse purposefully. Marvel goes after writers and directors who want to tell a story about the title character of the film in question. Only once have they used a gun for hire (Alan Taylor TDW). WB's strategy is the polar opposite
 
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