BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[BlueLanternKal]

Even if they reign him in and stop him making terrible decisions, he still can't tell a story in a particularly effective way so what's the point?

WB next meeting with him should go like this

"Zack the film has made a lot of money but ultimately it's a very divisive film and we have higher standards for these characters. It's not enough just to storm the box office on opening weekend. For these reasons we are removing you from the Justice League films and you won't be involved in any of the rest of the DCEU either. Your WB studio pass will be collected at the door and should you fail to vacate the premises in the next 5 minutes you will be arrested for trespassing"

Wow, this is beyond unreasonable. He's done a lot of good too. Films aren't soley comprised of narrative and charcterization. What you're describing is an audio book. Got to give him credit for the good he's done too. I'm not even firmly on the "keep him around" side of the fence and I can tell you you're spiraling into rabid fanboy territory.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

According to Snyder Nolan was also skeptical of the death of superman at the end of BVS.

 

[TheTarkKnight]

I wouldn't expect WB to fire Snyder due to BvS (which I loved) and the time constraints to begin JL1, however I can definitely see and appreciate putting more people to look over his shoulder. I believe increasing the number and quality of check gates before a decision is made would help moving forward.

This reminds me of something I heard of Nolan's decision to go with a non-yellow belt for Batman, and he was vetoed. Someone or a group of people should be able to question or stop Snyder before making other interesting "creative" decisions.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

According to Snyder Nolan was also skeptical of the death of superman at the end of BVS.

He was also skeptical of Superman snapping Zod's neck.

I seriously believe Snyder revels in the controversy. That's how he comes across in his interviews. I actually like that lol. I don't think it's a bad thing that he likes to get people talking. But when it's Superman fans taking the emotional beating because of the controversy it kind of sucks. There has to be a pay off eventually, right? Right!?

 

[DA_Champion]

He was also skeptical of Superman snapping Zod's neck.

I seriously believe Snyder revels in the controversy. That's how he comes across in his interviews. I actually like that lol. I don't think it's a bad thing that he likes to get people talking. But when it's Superman fans taking the emotional beating because of the controversy it kind of sucks. There has to be a pay off eventually, right? Right!?

It's twice now that Snyder decided to do a double climax. I think he feels an urge to add just one more action scene, like an alcoholic getting one more drink.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm seeing a lot of people recommend the studio get people to "look over" Snyder's shoulder for future films. I'm not speaking for every genre movie but I will say I've never encountered that ever working successfully. Having studio execs over your shoulder gets you SM3 and F4NTASTIC. And if they're going to assign someone to co-direct with him, they'd just fire him. You're basically spending twice the moment on having someone argue with Snyder the whole way. The director is the top boy on set. He's the one looking over shoulders, not the other way around. He's like a Colonel leading a battalion into battle. You don't have two colonels leading the same troops.

 

[Logan0327]

According to Snyder Nolan was also skeptical of the death of superman at the end of BVS.

he should of listened to him because imo the death of superman wasn't earned

you barely got to know the character of superman in the DCU so the death leaves me hollow

 

[Kobra]

It's twice now that Snyder decided to do a double climax. I think he feels an urge to add just one more action scene, like an alcoholic getting one more drink.

It's beyond me how the Batman v Superman fight wasn't actually longer. And it's pathetic how you can see almost all of it in the trailers and tv spots.

 

[J.Drangal]

he should of listened to him because imo the death of superman wasn't earned

you barely got to know the character of superman in the DCU so the death leaves me hollow

Yeah, even if I understand how this show that Superman is now fully ready to be the "savior" of our planet and opens the eyes of everyone about him, I still think that we should have known better this Superman. It feels a bit hollow to me too, even if I think that the scene was beatifully shot, with the music adding a lot to the tragic of the moment. I have to admit that it disturbs me less on my second viewing.
On the other hand, I connect with him better in this film than in MoS. I really feel sorry for him after the bombing (beatiful shot of him in tears) and imo the sequence where the media are talking about him with him pulling this huge boat behind him was a beatiful, metaphorical moment about how he impact our world and how he struggle to find his place.
Seriously, I think that Snyders visuals are stronger when the picture has to communicate some symbolic information than in great action piece. Of course he does that very well, and his style really helps to feel the godlike nature of the characters, but he trully can be brillant in quieter moment.

 

[Flint Marko]

he should of listened to him because imo the death of superman wasn't earned

you barely got to know the character of superman in the DCU so the death leaves me hollow

And therein lies the biggest failure of the DCEU thus far.

 

[Predator jp]

It's beyond me how the Batman v Superman fight wasn't actually longer. And it's pathetic how you can see almost all of it in the trailers and tv spots.

well, poeple complained about Zod fight being too long and exhausting so he listened.

 

[Doctor Jones]

According to Snyder Nolan was also skeptical of the death of superman at the end of BVS.

Nolan has his name on this damn movie.

I would pay money to watch Nolan see this movie and his reaction.

 

[Kobra]

Nolan has his name on this damn movie.

I would pay money to watch Nolan see this movie and his reaction.

When someone asked Snyder if Nolan had liked MOS he didn't seem t sure. He said Nolan is a very mysterious guy and it's hard to read him.

 

[Flint Marko]

When someone asked Snyder if Nolan had liked MOS he didn't seem t sure. He said Nolan is a very mysterious guy and it's hard to read him.

That's a no if I've ever seen one
Which doesn't surprise me at all, I'm sure he didn't enjoy either of these films.

 

[Kobra]

That's a no if I've ever seen one
Which doesn't surprise me at all, I'm sure he didn't enjoy either of these films.

Possibly. But they're close friends, so...

Didn't Nolan say he liked the Transformers movies? I remember reading something along those lines.

 

[DA_Champion]

The way Snyder talks about Nolan comes off as:

"I'm friends with Nolan ! I'm friends with Nolan ! Doesn't that make me cool !"

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

People keep saying that Snyder is some kind of visual genius and I can't even see that.

AMC's "Better Call Saul" has a cast and crew of creative geniuses. The best cinematography on television. A single episode has a tiny fraction of the budget that BvS has. Both seasons probably have only a small fraction of that budget. And yet, Snyder, the so-called visual genius couldn't come up with better shots than the average on "Saul".

These shots are amazing and I wouldn't mind having them on my wall. Snyder hasn't created any shot that comes close.

 

[DA_Champion]

Snyder did not live up his visual reputation with BvS.

He's had much better shots in most of his other movies.

 

[J.Drangal]

I think he's really good with his visuals, and like I said, he can come with beatiful shots that are in line with what I want for the DCEU.
BUT, I also think that he has tendencies to lose himself in action pieces and progressivly, the color desaturation and obvious CGI backgrounds are damaging the thing. I really liked what he did on Watchmen with Fong, still the best looking of his films to me.
But yeah, there's a lot of others directors with great sense of visuals even on TV. I really liked what Fukunaga did on True Detective.

 

[Flint Marko]

It's such a shame because MoS, a movie I'm known for disliking, is an absolutely gorgeous film from start to finish. BvS not so much.

 

[DA_Champion]

It's such a shame because MoS, a movie I'm known for disliking, is an absolutely gorgeous film from start to finish. BvS not so much.

Yes it's a weird drop.

Don't know if it's Snyder, or Amir Mokri just being better than Larry Fong.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

It reeks of not giving a ****. Sometimes your talent level drops. Look at Nolan: Dark Knight Rises is a murky looking flick. But Inception preceding it and Interstellar proceeding it are gorgeous.

 

[Leenie]

It reeks of not giving a ****. Sometimes your talent level drops. Look at Nolan: Dark Knight Rises is a murky looking flick. But Inception preceding it and Interstellar proceeding it are gorgeous.

The Dark Knight Rises was Nolan phoning it in.

Which, to his credit, is still a lot better than what a lot of directors can do. TDKR is a flawed movie, but there's enough interesting and cool stuff in there to keep me entertained.

As for Snyder, his "visual gravitas" peaked at the opening sequence of Watchmen. The visuals he keeps getting praised for? I don't get it. Sucker Punch was one of the most visually boring things I've ever seen. And the muted colors in Man of Steel are perverse to me. And 300 looks urine-stained throughout the entirety of the film.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The opening of Sucker Punch was visually arresting. Especially of that shot of the button settling in the foreground while she is struggling against her stepdad in the background.

 

[OdinSon]

How many guys are willing to bet that April will come and ago and we will hear that Justice League is delayed because Warner Bros. are looking for a new director?