BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[The Joker]

I am sure after the bsahing BvS got by Critics and fans alike, Sucide Squad director David Ayer and WW director Patty Jenkins must be feeling pressure, the kind of pressure no Marvel movie director has to face.

I think we're all assuming that's why they're doing reshoots to add more humor. BvS got a lot of criticism for being such a humorless drab movie.

 

[DA_Champion]

I am sure after the bsahing BvS got by Critics and fans alike, Sucide Squad director David Ayer and WW director Patty Jenkins must be feeling pressure, the kind of pressure no Marvel movie director has to face.

I truly feel sorry for them now.

David Ayer, Patty Jenkins, and James Wan are in a tough position. Their movies will be released with negative buzz and to fan apathy, and they may be dealing with studio interference following the public relations debacle by their inferior, less-talented peer, Zack Snyder.

But it's still a good opportunity for anybody. It's not quite as bad as coming into Transformers 6 and being given a script by Akiva Goldsman the braintrust would be. That is because even though they are working in the same brand, it's not quite the same franchise.

 

[Zero_Effect]

Yeah I believe 6 or 7 directors turned it down before Snyder took it. Everyone from Duncan Jones to Matt Reeves

Come on 6-7 directors did not turn down Man of Steel. The only ones who passed were Robert Zemeckis and Ben Affleck.

 

[Brother Jack]

I am sure after the bsahing BvS got by Critics and fans alike, Sucide Squad director David Ayer and WW director Patty Jenkins must be feeling pressure, the kind of pressure no Marvel movie director has to face.

Hopefully they will rise to the occasion. They are both good directors, better than Snyder.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think we're all assuming that's why they're doing reshoots to add more humor. BvS got a lot of criticism for being such a humorless drab movie.

Which I maintain is mistaken criticism. The problem with the movie is that it's dumb and serious, and people are zero-ing on the serious. There is nothing wrong with a serious movie if it's not dumb.

 

[Micromind]

I think we're all assuming that's why they're doing reshoots to add more humor. BvS got a lot of criticism for being such a humorless drab movie.

No matter what they do, their movies will be analyzed under microscope, frame by frame, both by fans and critics.

 

[titansupes]

Come on 6-7 directors did not turn down Man of Steel. The only ones who passed were Robert Zemeckis and Ben Affleck.

At least Aronofsky and Jones openly talked about taking meetings for it, too.

 

[Micromind]

But it's still a good opportunity for anybody. It's not quite as bad as coming into Transformers 6 and being given a script by Akiva Goldsman the braintrust would be. That is because even though they are working in the same brand, it's not quite the same franchise.

Ironically, Transformer movies are not only critic proof, they are also director proof, that is, they will do well regardless, so less pressure.

 

[BH/HHH]

There's nothing wrong with people saying Superman wouldn't behave the way he did in the film, if that's what they believe. There IS a problem with people saying those people don't "get" Superman or don't "get" this film. The former is an attack on the film, which people have a right to do here (just as they're allowed to praise the film), the latter is an attack on the posters, which is not so ok.

If you disagree with the way someone criticizes the film, counter it with why the element they are criticizing worked for you and what you liked about it, rather than suggesting the problem is with them or their intelligence.

Maybe go back and read the above posts because I did not specifically have a jab at anyone for not getting something. If you read several reviews critiscms of the Martha scene some people don't understand it. Did I say anyone here didn't understand it? No I didn't.

 

[baerrtt]

Come on 6-7 directors did not turn down Man of Steel. The only ones who passed were Robert Zemeckis and Ben Affleck.

True. As was reported at the time we ended up with Snyder because Jeff Robinov, out of loyalty, pushed him onto Nolan.

Zack's career wasn't in a good place at the time and Jeff lobbied hard for him to get the job.

 

[BH/HHH]

How do you even know that?

Nolan spoke highly of Zack aswell let's not forget that and he said that he himself wouldn't be able to do a big FX movie like MOS.

 

[baerrtt]

Or at least a good time at the movies....which, to be fair, a lot of people want.[/QUOTE]

Which is basically WB's aim with their shared universe. The problem is a director/producer who insists on a tone that he isn't quite talented or smart enough to execute properly.

 

[KalMart]

How do you even know that?

Nolan spoke highly of Zack aswell let's not forget that and he said that he himself wouldn't be able to do a big FX movie like MOS.

So he chose a little low-budget indie like Interstellar instead.








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[BH/HHH]

So he chose a little low-budget indie like Interstellar instead.








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Haha I'm just quoting what he said

Maybe he meant doing super powered fights etc

 

[baerrtt]

How do you even know that?

Nolan spoke highly of Zack aswell let's not forget that and he said that he himself wouldn't be able to do a big FX movie like MOS.

It was reported in the actual trades at the time. Snyder was not on the initial list of directors that was named and when he got the job Deadline, as part of the announcement, wrote that Robinov recommended him heavily to Nolan.

 

[catch22]

I just hope WB doesn't make dumb decisions based on Snyder's shoddy editing and story issues. They'll probably just assume that making their movies more like Marvel's will fix everything. And if anything I think that would make it worse.

 

[baerrtt]

How do you even know that?

Nolan spoke highly of Zack aswell let's not forget that and he said that he himself wouldn't be able to do a big FX movie like MOS.

Here's an article from 2013 that briefly details how Snyder got the job (it's about how studio relationships with directors can backfire). However, under the link, I've copied and pasted the Snyder part for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole story:-
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/internship-flop-at-box-office-566329


Over at Warner Bros., studio chief Jeff Robinov's fierce loyalty to director Zack Snyder is being tested June 14 with the $225 million Man of Steel. The relationship dates to the 2007 hit 300, even though Snyder's three subsequent Warners films -- Watchmen, Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole and Sucker Punch -- disappointed. However, while giving him Man of Steel (over the other finalist, Darren Aronofsky), Robinov took out insurance with producer Christopher Nolan, the studio's most important filmmaker (Batman, Inception). "Chris had the confidence in Zack, and based on the movie I've seen, Chris was spot-on," says Warners president of domestic distribution Dan Fellman.

 

[DA_Champion]

How do you even know that?

Nolan spoke highly of Zack aswell let's not forget that and he said that he himself wouldn't be able to do a big FX movie like MOS.

Nolan did Interstellar which has better FX than MoS or BvS.

 

[BH/HHH]

Ah coo I stand corrected my apologies

 

[BH/HHH]

Nolan did Interstellar which has better FX than MoS or BvS.

That's irrelevant to what I said cause I was quoting Nolan's actual words. Plus just cause you can direct a spectacle with big fx doesn't mean you're comfortable doing an action spectacle with big fx (in other words lots of CG and pacing fights etc).

 

[DA_Champion]

It may be that Nolan would not have been comfortable making a movie with ~60 minutes of green screen footage.

But that's not the movie Nolan would have made. We can be sure that his MoS would have been very different.

For example, there were reports a while back that Snyder was the one who pushed for the movie to have a very heavy sci-fi focus on Krypton, whereas Nolan wanted the story focused on the Kents and on Earth.

 

[Lord]

While i liked the Krypton bits and the whole design of the planet, focusing more on the Kents might have actualy improved Man of Steel, making it more centered on the human perspective and Clark growing up.

Anyway, Nolan probably wasn't very interested in Superman to begin with, there are shades of Superman: The Movie in Batman Begins (the build up of the first third) but he probably didn't feel like he would bring much to the character. Seems like he just wanted to move on as a Director, instead o being stuck in the superhero genre.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think it's important to remember that Goyer came to Nolan with the idea and Nolan to the studio. It's from there he and WBs searched for directors. Nolan obviously felt enough interest to Shepard the project and we know he was creatively involved in the scripting process. I doubt Nolan would have tried to make Snyder lean more towards one side than another where tone was concerned and that thing about him wanting it to be less sci fi I have never heard. The only thing I ever read was he had to be convinced by Goyer and Snyder regarding Zod's death. But he did come around to it lets not forget.

 

[titansupes]

The Krypton sequence was probably my favourite part of that movie, but I've long held that it shouldn't have been in there. Not when you consider Jor-El explains everything to Kal anyway, and with visual aids no less. Removing it turns Krypton/Jor-El and Zod/Kal's origin into as much a mystery to us as it is to him.

The opening shot should have been the fishing boat.

 

[Lord]

I think it's important to remember that Goyer came to Nolan with the idea and Nolan to the studio. It's from there he and WBs searched for directors. Nolan obviously felt enough interest to Shepard the project and we know he was creatively involved in the scripting process. I doubt Nolan would have tried to make Snyder lean more towards one side than another where tone was concerned and that thing about him wanting it to be less sci fi I have never heard. The only thing I ever read was he had to be convinced by Goyer and Snyder regarding Zod's death. But he did come around to it lets not forget.

Because by then, it was Zack Snyder's film. He wasn't going to go around "phantom directing" the film. Which is why he let his old cinematographer do whatever he wanted with Transcendence. Some people seem to be trying to push the faults into Christopher Nolan, when it seems like most he did was just produce it and allow the director and writer almost limitless control.

If we go by this way of thought, is Steven Spielberg the reason the Transformers films have been so bad? He only helped with a few concepts in the first film (the good parts like the heart of the story being a boy and his car). Since then, he's just been giving Michael Bay free reign. Producers who happen to be major film Directors rarely get in the way of the Directors they're producing. Only time i can think of that having happened was with Poultergeist, where Spielberg supposedly "ghost directed" it. But that story also seemed closer to his heart.