BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Jordanstine]

You know what's sad?

When reporting sites use ZACK SNYDER as the headline of their April Fool's Jokes:

https://***********/lrnews/status/715905643392139264

https://***********/screenrant/status/715907915819851778

 

[BarryAllen]

 

[Visualiza]

And here we go with the snarky comebacks

Lol, it's you guts who seem to be taking things more personally.

In any case I'm talking about people saying that's not Superman it ge woukdnt do that like its a fact.

But anyway I digress you go back to constantly talking about a film/director you hate so much t:

Speaking of snark. What's your beef with people discussing a director (or anything) that they're critical of? I read another post of yours earlier that was essentially this same sentiment, and it comes across as yet another way of saying that someone is less of a fan if they aren't fawning over something. If I'm off base, please feel free to clarify.

Discussions about the negatives, shortcomings, and criticisms of a film or filmmaker are often times just as stimulating as any other kind. I don't think it does anybody any good to stigmatize that part of the conversation or sweep it under the rug.

 

[stargazer]

I trust in him, but I wish he listened to some constructive criticism on how to make the next film better. There is always room for improvement. In general, I dig his vision for the characters so far.

 

[Plaidchuck]

Honestly, I don't think he had much of a plot to work with. This movie seems to me like it was rewritten during filming hence the editing issues and tone jumping all over the place.

 

[Logan0327]

Honestly, I don't think he had much of a plot to work with. This movie seems to me like it was rewritten during filming hence the editing issues and tone jumping all over the place.

terrio came on for a rewrite like 5 months prior to filming

hopefully now that he has had the JL all to himself and well over a year to work on it hopefully turns out a better result

 

[BatLobster]

I posted this in another thread, but I really think Snyder has slowly dug himself into a hole with a lot of people by consistently taking on impossible projects.

"The graphic novel everyone says is unfilmmable? I'm gonna film it!"

"Dark and gritty reboot of the world's brightest and most optimistic hero? Sign me up!"

"We could make a Superman sequel that addresses some of the problems people had and showcases a more classic Superman in his prime....BUT...wait for it....instead, we'll do Batman and Superman together on screen for the first time in their 75 year history, in a movie that doubles down on the darker tone that was so divisive last time, while also setting up the entire future of the DCEU. Oh, and also we'll be introducing a completely different, kinda screwed up Batman coming on the heels of the enormously popular Dark Knight Trilogy. And we're [BLACKOUT]killing Superman[/BLACKOUT] too."

And now he's going to be making the first ever live action Justice League film while fanboys everywhere are calling for his blood.

 

[Plaidchuck]

terrio came on for a rewrite like 5 months prior to filming

hopefully now that he has had the JL all to himself and well over a year to work on it hopefully turns out a better result

Well if that's the best he could do he needs to bow out of superhero movies.

Who knows though who's really to blame for this one.

 

[jokesonm3]

Well if that's the best he could do he needs to bow out of superhero movies.

Who knows though who's really to blame for this one.

Why? Rarely could some individuals do a better job at what he did given the circumstances.

And for me (albeit Lex) the story structure and controversial plot ideas were the biggest problems of the film, not the dialogue.

 

[DA_Champion]

Why? Rarely could some individuals do a better job at what he did given the circumstances.

And for me (albeit Lex) the story structure and controversial plot ideas were the biggest problems of the film, not the dialogue.

It's really hard for me to gauge how much Terrio is to blame, as many of the problems with the film are classic Snyder problems.

 

[jokesonm3]

It's really hard for me to gauge how much Terrio is to blame, as many of the problems with the film are classic Snyder problems.

Bingo, that's the core answer to all this. "classic Snyder problems", the cause of all the problems in Snyder's films.

 

[Logan0327]

It's really hard for me to gauge how much Terrio is to blame, as many of the problems with the film are classic Snyder problems.

so lack of development for clark and a study on his ideologies,clear motivations for lex luthor,pointless africa scenes that take up screentime are snyder's fault only

these are all script problems

sure editing and pacing are sloppy but the main problems are in the script

 

[spider-neil]

Snyder seems to always film more than he needs which ends up making his movies 'choppy' because they inevitably have to be cut down to a reasable running time.
I saw the Director's Cut of Watchman and it's not even funny how much better it is than the Theatrical Cut (which I really didn't like).

Nolan films what he needs, hence you hardly ever get extended cuts. His Theatrical cuts flow much better and have proper progression and transitions because there is hardly anything is on the cutting room floor.

 

[Predator jp]

the movie does not spend more than 2 minutes on one scene. it made the movie seem way too busy. let the audience settle and get to know the characters.

 

[Jaxon]

The biggest issue was the script wholey and solely. I really wonder what the Goyer version was like, his MoS script was Magnificent, a few dialogue issues here and there but superb.

I have an issue with Terrio who is a political writer doing a script for something he doesn't live and breath.

 

[xxxxxx29]

The biggest issue was the script wholey and solely. I really wonder what the Goyer version was like, his MoS script was Magnificent, a few dialogue issues here and there but superb.

I have an issue with Terrio who is a political writer doing a script for something he doesn't live and breath.

I really liked MOS myself, but there's a lot of people who hated MOS. I do think Goyer's BvS script is the problem. It isn't a coincidence that they got Terrio in late to try and fix it a bit..... and it's pretty obvious Terrio didn't have enough time to change it for the better.

 

[FunkMiller]

I posted this in another thread, but I really think Snyder has slowly dug himself into a hole with a lot of people by consistently taking on impossible projects.

"The graphic novel everyone says is unfilmmable? I'm gonna film it!"

"Dark and gritty reboot of the world's brightest and most optimistic hero? Sign me up"

And now he's going to be making the first ever live action Justice League film while fanboys everywhere are calling for his blood.

Seen the second weekend box office predictions? Don't bet on it.

 

[spider-neil]

I think getting the right superhero director is very hard.

If you get a story director a lot of the time they don't understand action and if you get an action director a lot of the time it's hard to get the story right.

Getting the balance is very, very hard.
These are my 5 movies that gets the balance perfectly;
TDK - Nolan
X-Men: First Class - Vaughn
Spider-Man 2 - Raimi
Winter Solider - Russo
Iron Man - Favreau

There are other really good movies (and this is just my opinion) like Avengers, that don't get the balance of story right. Also movies like, Batman Begins, X2 that don't get the balance of action right (for me).

In an ideal world you'd get a character director, a brilliant screen writer and then get someone like Snyder to direct the action. But with that said, the action for Doomsday was incomprehensible.

 

[Slade W]

I am planning to re-watch Watchmen sometime soon. What should I watch, the normal 162 minute film, directors cut or the ultimate cut?

 

[spider-neil]

I am planning to re-watch Watchmen sometime soon. Which version should I watch, the normal version, directors cut or the ultimate cut?

Watch the Director's Cut.

The Theatrical Cut leaves out too much information

The Ultimate Cut is the Director's Cut with the cartoon inserted. Makes the movie way too long for too little pay off of the cartoon.

 

[JOE]

Somebody at WB could always call up Joss?

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

whedon is too smart for that. Also I hope not from the selfish standpoint that hes a self admitted bats fan, gimme someone that likes supes damnit.

 

[Orba]

Whedon would not be interested, it was all the world building stuff that burned him out, and JL would be even more as most of the characters won't get solo features until after.

 

[spider-neil]

whedon is too smart for that. Also I hope not from the selfish standpoint that hes a self admitted bats fan, gimme someone that likes supes damnit.

I've been a comic collector pretty much all of my life. Do want to know how many Superman graphic novels I thought were amazing;

All Star Superman
Superman for All Seasons
Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow
John Byrne's Man of Steel
Superman Red Son

The character is very, very hard to get right. Especially in a very cynical 21st century.

 

[kguillou]

I love Joss Whedon but I do not not want a Joss Whedon Justice League film.

As a Zack Snyder fan, I think Snyder can do this. I think he has a plan and a long term vision for this universe, but he needs to be reigned in. I like that the DC movies are more serious, more dramatic. I think these movies should continue that tone and go for the jugular, but there needs to be a limit and Snyder needs a creative collaborator to keep everything in check.

I say, for JL, WB hires a producer or creative consultant who is there with Snyder on the day to day and oversees the script to make sure that JL is a four quadrant audience pleasing film. I think this is what is likely to happen now. Either way, I think someone at WB needs to sit with Zack and tell him that things need to change for Justice League in order for them to move forward.