BvS The Official Zack Snyder Directs Everything Thread - Part 2

[Loki882]

TFA was meant to draw back in disaffected older fans, and bring in new ones as well. And overall, it succeeded brilliantly in that regard (the proof is in the pudding). This movie, is the exact opposite it would seem.

And bashing another film to try and defend this one, doesn't do anything to help your argument.

 

[Kobra]

TFA is the safest movie i have seen in ages.

 

[Loki882]

Sorry. BS. Pure and utter BS. It was a nostalgia remake to heal a goddamn fan base they basically drove out its creator because they whinned like little children.

This was not for a new generation of fans. It was for the old ass ones. The Prequels were for the new generation. highly condescending OPINION

There, fixed that for you.

 

[DeadPresident]

TFA pretty much mirrors ANH's narrative with new characters and modernized cinematography and visuals...It serves two purposes, it's familiar to established fans and the original narrative is already conventionally fantastic so it is fine for new fans too. It wasn't broke, so they didn't fix it.

 

[Boy Scout]

As someone who had never seen a Star Wars movie before E7, I thought it was tremendous. It was everything it needed to be and more. I don't necessarily disagree with the notion that it was "safe," but I also don't think that every movie needs to be a a game changer. But again, my perspective is different from a lot of people's, so that from that what you will.

 

[catch22]

TFA is the safest movie i have seen in ages.

Disney make safe movies. And with safe movies they tend to have a little more leeway if they get things slightly wrong. BvS isn't a save movie, but could have been a big success if they had got things exactly right, but they didn't

 

[Seven Legion]

TFA is the safest movie i have seen in ages.

Well if it means earning themselves a box-office hit and a commercially successful firm, why not?

You don't enter a franchise with expectations of staggering proportions with experimentation in mind, you know? You don't just persist with a deeply flawed filmography in MOS and hope that it can do wonders with the general audience. BvS might have endeared itself to some sections of the fanbase but that sure as heck not gonna bring it the critical success it covets. I'm sorry but a superhero franchise like this isn't going to make headways unless they throw their illusions out of the window and accept that some amount of "unoriginality" is necessary for it to work.

 

[baerrtt]

TFA is the safest movie i have seen in ages.

A STAR WARS revival that kills off it's most popular good guy character in the manner it does and ends on a somber note isn't 'safe'. Alien a concept it seems to some of you TFA is a success largely because ppl liked the characters. Blockbusters need characters general audiences want to spend time with and if you're going down the route of having your lead characters be unlikeable or not entirely heroic people make damn sure you have a standard of writing, directing and acting that can transcend that which BVS doesn't IMO.

 

[Kobra]

Well if it means earning themselves a box-office hit and a commercially successful firm, why not?

You don't enter a franchise with expectations of staggering proportions with experimentation in mind, you know? You don't just persist with a deeply flawed filmography in MOS and hope that it can do wonders with the general audience. BvS might have endeared itself to some sections of the fanbase but that sure as heck not gonna bring it the critical success it covets. I'm sorry but a superhero franchise like this isn't going to make headways unless they throw their illusions out of the window and accept that some amount of "unoriginality" is necessary for it to work.

That's great for studios and for people who love uninspiring commercial crap. I love to see movies that at least try to push the envelope and offer something different. But hey, i can't give 1B dollars to a studio, so what do they care about my opinion? If fast food sells, it sells. Me saying it's garbage won't change that. Too bad we're being forced into a scenario where only a certain type of very safe movies are considered acceptable. Other than TDK trilogy, that's all we've been getting. It sucks...for me.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

Ok, someone's going to have to explain something to me: What exactly about BvS isn't safe?

 

[DKDetective]

Why would you vote before seeing the movie?



That's a little harsh, don't you think?

He's another Josh Trank to me, he just didn't self-destructive as quickly. A lot of interviews from him lately have really rubbed me the wrong way, like his need to "grow up" Superman. I find him to be an unintelligent, self-absorbed chauvinist hack of a filmmaker. I have not liked a single movie he has made. He has had way too many chances.

Kobra, it was an emotive post, it wasn't supposed to be rational. It is how I feel about Zack Snyder as a filmmaker. You disagree, fine, but there is no rules around here that say I need to be nice to the guy. It's not like I wished bad things on his family, but I don't think big studios should pay for the guy to make movies anymore. There is so much, far superior talent out there waiting for a chance.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Are we saying that BvS is gourmet cuisine? Because I'm pretty sure it's fast food that's been sitting in the dumpster for a few days.

 

[DeadPresident]

Ok, someone's going to have to explain something to me: What exactly about BvS isn't safe?

Changing the aesthetics of some characters and fairly concrete parts of others' character traits is a pretty risky way of starting off. Some people can gloss over those, but others have personal preferences and they justifiably want their characters to have little to no liberties taken with them.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Are we saying that BvS is gourmet cuisine? Because I'm pretty sure it's fast food that's been sitting in the dumpster for a few days.

I would have just called it a tv dinner for analogy As in, view it at home and don't even go out to get it.

 

[Kobra]

A STAR WARS revival that kills off it's most popular good guy character in the manner it does and ends on a somber note isn't 'safe'. Alien a concept it seems to some of you TFA is a success largely because ppl liked the characters. Blockbusters need characters general audiences want to spend time with and if you're going down the route of having your lead characters be unlikeable or not entirely heroic people make damn sure you have a standard of writing, directing and acting that can transcend that which BVS doesn't IMO.

It's safe and it felt like a remake. Period.

"Ohh, we won't have our most iconic character in the movie, but let's find a villain that has very similar characteristics. So that way we can have Darth Vader without having Darth Vader"

"Ohhh, the old movie had these plot points and they were very successful, so let's use very similar stuff again. Let's do the whole death star thing and family thing and information hidden in an android thing and the strong female character thing"

Sorry, it's safe. If you don't feel that way, you don't feel that way. But to me the movie was just more of the same. I didn't feel i was getting anything fresh. It was just the same garbage all over again.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

 

[Kobra]

Are we saying that BvS is gourmet cuisine? Because I'm pretty sure it's fast food that's been sitting in the dumpster for a few days.

I wouldn't call it gourmet cuisine. That would be TDK. I wouldn't call it fast food either. That would be The Avengers. Maybe an experimental homemade dish that half of the people thought tasted weird.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

It's safe and it felt like a remake. Period.

"Ohh, we won't have our most iconic character in the movie, but let's find a villain that has very similar characteristics. So that way we can have Darth Vader without having Darth Vader"

"Ohhh, the old movie had these plot points and they were very successful, so let's use very similar stuff again. Let's do the whole death star thing and family thing and information hidden in an android thing and the strong female character thing"

Sorry, it's safe. If you don't feel that way, you don't feel that way. But to me the movie was just more of the same. I didn't feel i was getting anything fresh. It was just the same garbage all over again.

Wh-what movie were you watching? Kylo and Vader have almost nothing in common, in terms of characterization.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

I wouldn't call it gourmet cuisine. That would be TDK. I wouldn't call it fast food either. That would be The Avengers. Maybe an experimental homemade dish that half of the people thought tasted weird.

Half is being way too generous.

 

[DeadPresident]

Half is being way too generous.

It's pretty much exactly accurate.

 

[OtherwiseKnownAs]

I wouldn't call it gourmet cuisine. That would be TDK. I wouldn't call it fast food either. That would be The Avengers. Maybe an experimental homemade dish that half of the people thought tasted weird.

So first Snyder was a wannabe-Nolan, now he's a wannabe-Lynch.

 

[baerrtt]

That's great for studios and for people who love uninspiring commercial crap. I love to see movies that at least try to push the envelope and offer something different. But hey, i can't give 1B dollars to a studio, so what do they care about my opinion? If fast food sells, it sells. Me saying it's garbage won't change that. Too bad we're being forced into a scenario where only a certain type of very safe movies are considered acceptable. Other than TDK trilogy, that's all we've been getting. It sucks...for me.

The impact MAD MAX FURY ROAD and AMERICAN SNIPER both made in their own ways last year showed there's still audience desire for big movies that don't toe the line of what passes for blockbuster success superficially nowadays. But as I've said before you need elements that can sell unlikely stories, in this day and age, to appreciative audiences and the Miller/Eastwood films have that and BVS doesn't.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

So first Snyder was a wannabe-Nolan, now he's a wannabe-Lynch.

Michael Bay is a juvenile sleaze that has no idea how to construct a story, flesh out characters, or direct action sequences that cohere. Michael Bay's audience consists of angry, young, horny white teenage boys looking for something to *********e to. That's Bay's audience. Bay admits it. Bay wears it on his sleeve. Bay doesn't care. Zack Snyder, on the other hand, makes his movies for the exact same audience, but insists he is some artistic genius. Zack Snyder is a pretentious ass, he's Michael Bay if Bay deluded himself into thinking he's Stanley Kubrick.

 

[king666]

It's safe and it felt like a remake. Period.

"Ohh, we won't have our most iconic character in the movie, but let's find a villain that has very similar characteristics. So that way we can have Darth Vader without having Darth Vader"

"Ohhh, the old movie had these plot points and they were very successful, so let's use very similar stuff again. Let's do the whole death star thing and family thing and information hidden in an android thing and the strong female character thing"

Sorry, it's safe. If you don't feel that way, you don't feel that way. But to me the movie was just more of the same. I didn't feel i was getting anything fresh. It was just the same garbage all over again.

But the movie did it's job. $2bi BO, 92% RT critics score, 89% RT audience score, A Cinemascore. Audiences love the new characters. It's exactly what Disney needed: an introduction to Star Wars made for new fans. It celebrated the legacy of the franchise. BvS should've done the same.

 

[baerrtt]

It's safe and it felt like a remake. Period.

"Ohh, we won't have our most iconic character in the movie, but let's find a villain that has very similar characteristics. So that way we can have Darth Vader without having Darth Vader"

"Ohhh, the old movie had these plot points and they were very successful, so let's use very similar stuff again. Let's do the whole death star thing and family thing and information hidden in an android thing and the strong female character thing"

Sorry, it's safe. If you don't feel that way, you don't feel that way. But to me the movie was just more of the same. I didn't feel i was getting anything fresh. It was just the same garbage all over again.

BVS has it's tone because of a successful trilogy that only ended 4 years ago. That is the epitome of 'safe' and lazy commercialism.