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[Karategirlx2001]

anybody???



*leaves*

 

[Daniella]

I love Logan , but I don't see Jean and him being together ... at least not anymore ...

Now I love Cyclops and I want her to stay with him ... he complete her , he is her soumate ... and she is his ... and now I always pick to read stories about Scott and Jean only ...

Maybe , Logan can stay with Storm , since they already were together in some part of the comic book...

Dany

 

[Minisinoo]

Personally, myself, I've never been interested in the Jean/Logan attraction because it seemed to be based on chemistry, not commonalities -- certainly so in the comic. And while that can be fun for a fling, I don't account it much as a cause for a *long term* relationship. Jean's line about bad boys and good guys struck me as merely corney. I think I'd have found it less so (not to mention more mature) if she'd pointed out to Logan that they didn't *know* each other, and a hormone-induced fling wasn't a very good reason to abandon a long-standing relationship with someone she shared a lot with.

Now, COULD someone establish a viable reason for Jean to leave Scott for Logan? Sure. I've done it myself, in the HEYOKA series. Jenn did a good job with her (never finished) serial "How Things Change," found here:
http://seperis.illuminatedtext.com/xmenindex.html
(Page down to the title)

But in both cases, there was a pretty firm focus on the fact that Jean's relationship with Scott had PROBLEMS, and Jean wasn't leaving Scott *for* Logan, so much as leaving Scott because it wasn't working for reasons of its own.

Those are two different things.

The movieverse, ironically, is about the only -verse in which I can believe in the possibility of Jean/Logan, and it doesn't "read" well for me there, either. They're simply too different and while opposites may attract, they don't wear well, ime.

So that explains why I'm not very into Jean/Logan, although I'm *not* a hardcore Scott/Jean fan, despite how often I may write it. Rather I like both characters, and I do think they work well together. Can I see them with others? Yes, I can.

Incidently, one of the better-known of the J/L writers is Eiluned, who's also list-mom of X-Fiction and ultimatexfic. It may not be by pairing of choice, but if you're looking for an archive that has a high percentage of J/L fic/smut, try her Dark Vault:
http://www.phoenixfyre.net/darkvault/

 

[Lisea]

Diverting the topic a bit again...

...Would Scott be immune to his optic blast if it were to bounce back to him (like a light from a mirror would do). Since it's concussive force, shouldn't it push him back as well, like with Jean, Deathstrike, the prison guard and the jeep.

I understand that he's immune to his own power, but if he were to blast at his, say, uniform, wouldn't that hit him like his blasts hit everything else?

~Liz

 

[The Phoenix II]

Jean/Logan

seriously people Jean and Scott intensely love eachother...why am i the only one that gets this???

 

[Raiden]

As two of the original five X-Men, Scott Summers and Jean Grey have always been an item, and it's the reason why I like these two to be together moreso than Logan being with Jean. Besides, Logan is a loner, and I can't fathom him tying himself to any particular person, even if she's Jean Grey.

 

[Minisinoo]

Regarding love triangles, I confess I *always* found the Scott/Jean/Warren triangle far more compelling. Why? Scott and Warren are friends.

Now, to attempt to answer Lisea's questions .... I'm a writer, not a physics person, so if someone else IS a physics person, feel free to correct me. But I have spent a lot of time playing with aspects of Scott's power. (g)

Lisea asked:
" ...Would Scott be immune to his optic blast if it were to bounce back to him (like a light from a mirror would do). Since it's concussive force, shouldn't it push him back as well, like with Jean, Deathstrike, the prison guard and the jeep.

I understand that he's immune to his own power, but if he were to blast at his, say, uniform, wouldn't that hit him like his blasts hit everything else?"

Okay, for whatever reason, no. Or rather, and defying the laws of physics, it's not an "equal and opposite reaction" sort of thing. Using the blasts doesn't push his head back, and being hit by them doesn't either.

Furthermore, he CAN bounce the beams, at least according to the comic. HOW he does this is anyone's guess. (And I DO mean that; people have attempted to explain it various ways.)

If the beams were somehow to hit him back, they would blast THROUGH his clothes, but not affect him at all. One of my problems with the Sabretooth scene in X1 is that at raw power, that close, Scott's beams shouldn't have pushed Sabes out of the statue, but should have *drilled a hole* through him and sent his *stomach* out of the statue. (ewww!) In short, it would take a WHOLE lot of healing to get over Scott's blasts. The comics have established that they're one of the only things on earth that can bend Wolverine's adamantium. So yeah, theoretically, Cyclops is about the only one who could kill Wolverine. (It depends on exactly how much of a healing factor Wolvie has.)

Besides just the blasts, Scott's power has several other side-effects. He has natural spacial talent and targeting ability. He sees patterns better than the rest of us. (In fact, I'd be REAL surprised if he even saw like the rest of us -- his color-blindness has been a point of debate in the comics for a long time. And man, looking at those pants he had on in the last scene, it makes you wonder, doesn't it?)

Anyway, because his power is powered by solar radiation, he doesn't sunburn -- nor does he suntan. In fact, he appears to be unaffected by heat, and to a lesser degree, by cold. He's his own (solar) battery. It's never been established in the comic, but his body may even derive some sustenence from the sun (like a big plant!), and thus, he's starve more slowly than most of us, as long as he was getting sunlight.

There's more, but that should do for now. So Lisea, I think the answer to your question is that his beams don't push him backwards because he absorbs them, just like the ruby quartz does, whether they're eminating directly from his eyes or not.

 

[Grey Fyre]

Ditto all the above reasons why Jean and Scott are together. I personally don't like the idea of Jean and Logan (Minisinoo articulated it well above). Most (but not all) of the people that I know that like the Jean-Logan pairing came into the X-men with the X1 movie. There it was clearly the focus. That and I think X1 made Wolverine a little more thoughtful and honourable, and Scott more ..standoffish. I really like movie Wolverine, a lot more than the comic/A.S. wolverine.

Incidently, Minisinoo. I've started reading Climb the Wind. I'm only a few chapters into it but I'm really impressed. It's quite possibly the best piece of fic I've read on the net. Will write to you later about it, ... when I've finished

 

[Lisea]

But if the blast hit his uniform, which isn't immune to his powers, wouldn't it hit the uniform rather than his body? Isn't it the same as someone/something actually pushing him?

What about his color blindness? As I understand, if you wear sunglasses for a period of time, your brain adjusts and corrects the colors. Is it possible for him to see colors?

I remember you talking about this in your journal a year or two back...

And a word of advice... We have a quote button.

~Liz

 

[Grey Fyre]

Originally posted by Lisea
The pic is from X1, it's an old picture that's been lying around on my computer for ages...

Yeh realised last night when listening to Singer's commentary. It's such a nice photo *sigh*

And now I think I remember what fic you're talking about. Party all night, bunny slippers, truth or dare, and Scott gritting his teeth. Right?
~Liz

Yep that's the one. Atleast I'm pretty sure it was. Wasn't bad at all

 

[Lisea]

Originally posted by Grey Fyre
Yep that's the one. Atleast I'm pretty sure it was. Wasn't bad at all

Try this, then.

~Liz

 

[Grey Fyre]

Originally posted by Minisinoo
.. [snippit] ... In short, it would take a WHOLE lot of healing to get over Scott's blasts. The comics have established that they're one of the only things on earth that can bend Wolverine's adamantium. So yeah, theoretically, Cyclops is about the only one who could kill Wolverine. (It depends on exactly how much of a healing factor Wolvie has.)....
[snippett]

Personally I would've loved to seen that mentioned in X1. Especially if Logan had been in the meeting with the X-Ray. You know Jean mentions the adamantium skeleton, and then as an aside mentions that, 'theoretically Logan the only thing that could effect your adamantium is Scott's optic blasts'. Logan looks over at Scott. Scott turns slightly to face him. It would've added a lovely dynamic, and maybe emphasised again how controlled Scott is (and that his power isn't quite so 'lame' as some people would like to make it out to be. *mutter, mutter*).

 

[Lisea]

Originally posted by Grey Fyre
Personally I would've loved to seen that mentioned in X1. Especially if Logan had been in the meeting with the X-Ray. You know Jean mentions the adamantium skeleton, and then as an aside mentions that, 'theoretically Logan the only thing that could effect your adamantium is Scott's optic blasts'. Logan looks over at Scott. Scott turns slightly to face him. It would've added a lovely dynamic, and maybe emphasised again how controlled Scott is (and that his power isn't quite so 'lame' as some people would like to make it out to be. *mutter, mutter*).

Especially if he'd do the Confident Scott Smirk (tm). I'd be impressed.

~Liz

 

[Grey Fyre]

Actually the more I think about it the more I like that scene. So I'm adding it to my Cyclops wish list:
1. We need to see why Cyclops is their field leader. [TPTB really need to emphasise this]
2. I want to see that scene above somewhere (not needed like #1, but I'd like to see it none-the-less). Well obviously not the exact scene since X1 has been and gone ... but something similar.

 

[Minisinoo]

Lisea -- Yeah, I know there's a quote button. I'm often lazy. <g> (Or want to quote/respond to more than one post at once.

Anyway, to answer your question ... the blast would hit the uniform sure ... but the uniform isn't going to *stop* it. It would just knock a hole in it until his body (beneath) stopped it.

Re: colorblindness -- it's a much debated point, and the comic has been wishy-washy on it. You can find scenes or quotes in the comic to support EITHER theory. We've had him seeing colors (way back at the beginning), we've had him seeing red only (Lobdell) and most recently, we've had Morrison trying to show off and making him see *yellow* due to this cancelling that ... ?

My own reason for proposing color-blindness is based on predator vision. Predators don't see colors for a reason: it shows up movement better, along with the edges of things. This is why, for instance, photographers prefer to photograph marble and bronze with black and white film instead of color. The black and white actually shows the *definition* better.

All that would work to aid Scott's exceptional targeting ability. He simply *doesn't miss*. If you go through the comic and look, he doesn't miss.

I've always assumed Scott's EYES are different -- altered. I tend to give his sight many of the same qualities as a cat, including lack of color rods. Thus, visor or no visor, he still wouldn't see colors.

Grey Fyre -- Thanks, on CLIMB. I'm glad you're enjoying it. (If "enjoy" is a word one can use for that novel ...) You can see why X2 gave me a few moments of very odd deja-vu. LOL!

 

[Pirateking]

Read your fanfic. Enjoy loads.

 

[Daniella]

I will write some fanfics , but for now it is in Portuguese ... I'll let you know when i trahslate them to English ... and the most part will be about Jean and Scott's relatioship ... like I said , I don't think Logan with her would be a good paring ...

Dany

 

[Grey Fyre]

Originally posted by Grey Fyre
Actually the more I think about it the more I like that scene. So I'm adding it to my Cyclops wish list:
1. We need to see why Cyclops is their field leader. [TPTB really need to emphasise this]
2. I want to see that scene above somewhere (not needed like #1, but I'd like to see it none-the-less). Well obviously not the exact scene since X1 has been and gone ... but something similar.

I have to add something to my Cyclops wishlist. With Jean, evidently going to be Phoenix in X3, I want to see a scene where Jean holds back his optic blasts and he can remove his glasses (ala Uncanny X-Men 132 ~ They don't have to spend a week together in the desert aswell yadda yadda... but hey it might be nice j/k)
That way, inaddition to being a great Jean-Scott scene, we can also see Jimmy act without the handicap of the glasses. So to people panning him for being stoic
So we have
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Grey Fyre's Cyclops Wish list for X3:

1. We see firm evidence that Cyclops is the field leader (and why) [NEEDED];

2. Somewhere it comes out that only Cyclops can effect Wolverine's adamantium skeleton (as per previous idea above) [DESIRED];

3. Phoenix/Jean holds back Scott's optic blast for a scene so that he can remove his glasses [STRONGLY DESIRED].
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[Spider-Fett]

Cyclops isn't designed to always have the glasses on. His eyes would have to adjust. The reason (according to the comic) that he wears the visor is due to the airplane accident he and his brother were in as children, Scott can't stop the blasts. A head injury made it so he couldn't control his power and thus had to wear the visor. So theoretically, his eyes wouldn't be designed to just see red or whatever, he would have regular eyes like the rest of us.

 

[the a1ant]

"Don't do this Jean....Aoghghao!" LMAO! They really need to cut that scene or reshoot it for the DVD. I'm sure there were many takes on that scene...surely there was a better one than the one that ended up on the final print?

 

[Pirateking]

I REALLY hope we get to see a blooper reel with some of Jimmy's impressions. On 1.5, he was flouncing around doing impressions of Famke. To her credit she did one of him that made the crew laugh more.

 

[Grey Fyre]

Originally posted by a1ant
"Don't do this Jean....Aoghghao!" LMAO! They really need to cut that scene or reshoot it for the DVD. I'm sure there were many takes on that scene...surely there was a better one than the one that ended up on the final print?

*telekinetically throws things at ant*

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Yeh. pirateking I would love to see that.

I'd also love to see Hugh's sister dressed as wolverine on the shoot,
and Hugh kissing Singer when Singer was dressed in Jean cloths (hell, he admitted to it).

 

[Pirateking]

Any bloopers with anybody really. I reckon there are loads with Jackman, Janssen, Marsden, Berry etc. But what about McKellan or Stewart? And will we get anything like the utter brilliance of the Spiderman one?
Did you hear that Hugh Jackman said that they had score cards for everyone in the tent scene? I really hope we see that.

 

[Daniella]

REALLY hope we get to see a blooper reel with some of Jimmy's impressions. On 1.5, he was flouncing around doing impressions of Famke. To her credit she did one of him that made the crew laugh more.

Where ???

Dany

 

[Pirateking]

It's one of the branches if you play all of the second disc fearues on X1 altogether. She's wearing the glasses and nearly walks into a wall!