The pilot episode is a complete mess! (major spoilers)

[hlbimage]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

 

[hlbimage]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

Well, this is X-MEN without the claws, the blue furball, the hot African lady who can control weather, and greatness of the X-MEN.

This show is a mess.

 

[Lord Blackbolt]

I would soooo love a show about A young Xavier and Magneto...as they built the school and found the kids....and have them slowly become enemies and then Magneto forms his Brotherhood.

There's so much material there...

 

[AnimeJune]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.

Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

 

[Mistopurr83]

I kinda wished they did a X-men TV show instead....This show just seems pointless to me. Unless they can bring something fresh...which I doubt

I wish X-Men would get made into a TV show right now myself but, I still believe it will happen someday.

 

[hlbimage]

Oh really? It's EXACTLY like X-men, except - weirder powers, the people don't know each other, and they're all over the place. Hmmm...it sounds to me like you had certain, rigid expectations for this show, and when the pilot didn't meet them you condemned it.

You've seen THE PILOT. You're worried that the characters are all over the place and it doesn't look like they'll meet up right away? Gee, yeah, wouldn't want to do that, because why create a mystery and a sense of progress for an entire series when you can squish all that into a 58 minute period? Puh-leeze.

Second, you think the series is spending too much time on showing how the characters learned and reacted to their powers? I dunno, from the trailers and the commercials, it seemed to me like that was THE POINT OF THE SHOW. From what I gathered from interviews with the producers and such, it's not supposed to be a capes-and-tights job, it's about real people developing powers.

The reason for the powers is supposed to be a mystery spread out throughout the show, as are the connections between the characters. It sounds to me like you wanted everything explained in the 58-minute pilot. It sounds to me like you were expecting "Heroes" to be an ACTION-ORIENTED ADVENTURE SHOW, much like, say "X-MEN" (hint, hint), and when you found out it's a SCI-FI CHARACTER DRAMA/MYSTERY, you were disappointed.

But as for the poorly-written lines and bad acting, well, that's you're opinion. I haven't seen the screener myself, so I can't be a judge of that. Most of the people cast, in my opinion, have all proven themselves to be capable actors.

Basically, I'm sorry you didn't like the pilot, but from your description it just seemed like you had certain expectations for the show that weren't corroborated by the pilot and that gave you a negative experience. I'm still looking forward to it.

You can find the pilot episode on Torrent sites. If you like, I can upload it to www.yousendit.com for you to check out for yourself. You are right that I had alot of expection of the show. When I saw it, I decided to criticized what I have seen. I wasn't expecting it to be like X-MEN like you have written. Heroes is like Matrix trying to ripoff so many other sci-fi movies and compacting it into one elaborate trilogy. Heroes is trying to be like the 4400 and X-MEN all at once, though there maybe a mystery on how the characters on Heroes get their powers it does parallel the 4400.

Why do I think they should have the main characters meet each other and soon? Well if the show don't want to get cancelled soon that is my point. Has anyone seen Surface, Invasion and Threshold? Well, those shows delayed the mystery reveal and they are all cancelled now. Right now, tv viewers like to see progress but quicker progress. Shows like Lost and 24 remained to be critical hits because they moves the story along and resolves while opening more questions. On the show Surface, they have two out of three of the main characters never meeting each other until the last 15 minutes of the series finale before the mystery is revealed. Heroes has about 5 characters that may never meet each other if the rest of the series episodes is like the pilot. There is a theme here.

I will send you a PM once the show is cancelled during the fall to see if you still thinks what I thought is wrong. Is that okay? If the show is renewed for a second season you can rub it in my face.

 

[hlbimage]

I wish X-Men would get made into a TV show right now myself but, I still believe it will happen someday.

I hope a real super hero show set in the X-MEN universe gets made one day too. I too believe it will happen someday as long as there is Marvel.

 

[TrailerCues]

Since I have no expectations for this Show I will give the first Episode a go

 

[JackBauer]

I watched it too. I didn't hate it like hlbimage, but I did find it a little unremarkable. there were a few good moments, but just nothing close to the greatness that was the Lost pilot (which this is most being compared to). it certainly has room to grow and improve, so I might give it a chance.

I think hlbimage either didn't get it or didn't pay attention, because: a) these characters aren't supposed to form a super-team, so there's really no point in getting them together right away, and b) there were already a few connections between characters which he conviently failed to mention, such as

Spoiler

Ventimiglia's character helping Santiago Cabrera's, and seeing a painting of himself there, not to mention that Hayden Panettiere's character's father was the guy chasing Suresh, the Indian scientist

.

I do agree, however, with his opinions about the Japanese guy (terribly stereotypical) and Ventimiglia's character, Peter. my personal favourite was, surprisingly enough, Claire (Hayden Panettiere).

btw, this is NOT really like X-Men. it is, like I said before, more akin to The 4400, but even then it's not really that close. the connections are too broad to call it a rip-off.

 

[hlbimage]

I watched it too. I didn't hate it like hlbimage, but I did find it a little unremarkable. there were a few good moments, but just nothing close to the greatness that was the Lost pilot (which this is most being compared to). it certainly has room to grow and improve, so I might give it a chance.

I think hlbimage either didn't get it or didn't pay attention, because: a) these characters aren't supposed to form a super-team, so there's really no point in getting them together right away, and b) there were already a few connections between characters which he conviently failed to mention, such as

Spoiler

Ventimiglia's character helping Santiago Cabrera's, and seeing a painting of himself there, not to mention that Hayden Panettiere's character's father was the guy chasing Suresh, the Indian scientist

.

I do agree, however, with his opinions about the Japanese guy (terribly stereotypical) and Ventimiglia's character, Peter. my personal favourite was, surprisingly enough, Claire (Hayden Panettiere).

btw, this is NOT really like X-Men. it is, like I said before, more akin to The 4400, but even then it's not really that close. the connections are too broad to call it a rip-off.

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400. There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled. I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

 

[JackBauer]

Well, if the mystery about how certain people gets their powers because they certainly evolved. Then it is a rip-off of X-MEN. If the powers are gifts from the future trying to prevent some kind of a catatrophy then it is a rip-off of the 4400.

it's not a gift from people from the future. that'd be too much of a shameless rip-off.

as for X-Men, they didn't invent evolution. so it's perfectly acceptable to chalk it up to that and NOT be a rip-off.

but it's not going to be either. look back at Suresh's speach at the beggining. he mentions the exact same powers the characters develop. it's no coincidence. not to mention what Suresh said about humans only using a small part of our brains, and that if we used more of it, we could develop those abilities. their obviously going towards that direction.

There is a scene of one of the painting where it depicted a nuclear explosion in New York from the guy that got his hand chopped off said that they need to prevent. That is so original.

it just solidified the purpose these people have, to prevent that catastrophe. initially, I wasn't too thrilled about them showing what the aftermath will be, but it'll be interesting to see how the characters fit into that, how they choose to use their powers, and the kind of consequences it can cause regarding that future. SPECIALLY because they're too far away.

You say that there is no point of having everyone together on screen because they are not suppose to form any kind of a team. Well, we will see how interesting each individual lives from episode to episode. Or rather episode 2 to 3 before it is cancelled.

it is interesting to see how all these different people react when put in a somewhat similar and extraordinary circumstance. and remember, the connections ARE there...

I don't see a single thing that is original about this show. Unless I failed to see something that other people saw.

almost anything nowadays isn't really original. it's how the scenario is developed that really defines it.

honestly, I think you're seeing a lot of stuff that's just not there.

 

[AnimeJune]

I haven't seen the pilot yet, nor am I going to illegally download it, but I have to agree with Jack Bauer (and his marvelous avatar and subtitle) on this one.

Ever hear that maxim about how there are only 12 original stories in the world, and that each story and legend and plot is only a variation of one of those stories.

Just because people have powers does not mean they're X-Men. X-Men dealt with a broad superhero topic, so it's inevitable that other super-power shows and plots will show some similarities, but it doesn't mean they're ripping anyone off.

I see a difference. From the trailers - it's implied that it's only a select, special number of people who are receiving powers, and that maybe it's for a reason. That's entirely different from X-Men - X-Men was about a whole new species of human being emerging. Heroes deals with superpeople in the dozens, X-Men in the hundreds of thousands. A difference that size will have a significant difference in the plot of the show too, it seems to me.

 

[JackBauer]

I haven't seen the pilot yet, nor am I going to illegally download it, but I have to agree with Jack Bauer (and his marvelous avatar and subtitle) on this one.

thanks!

Ever hear that maxim about how there are only 12 original stories in the world, and that each story and legend and plot is only a variation of one of those stories.

exactly what I meant. at their core, every story told nowadays can be traced back to those truly original ones WAAAY back.

Just because people have powers does not mean they're X-Men. X-Men dealt with a broad superhero topic, so it's inevitable that other super-power shows and plots will show some similarities, but it doesn't mean they're ripping anyone off.

it's not really about having powers that bugs hlbimage. it's the origin. as if evolution was invented solely for the X-Men.

either way, the pilot has made it clear that these powers aren't simply a matter of evolution, so this point is moot.

IT'S NOT A RIP-OFF OF X-MEN!

I see a difference. From the trailers - it's implied that it's only a select, special number of people who are receiving powers, and that maybe it's for a reason. That's entirely different from X-Men - X-Men was about a whole new species of human being emerging. Heroes deals with superpeople in the dozens, X-Men in the hundreds of thousands. A difference that size will have a significant difference in the plot of the show too, it seems to me.

true, true... I dunno what it is, but people have been all over this show from the beggining, claiming it as "Super-Lost" or "X-Men Light" or whatever, when it's pretty far from that. even with The 4400, which I at first compared it to, it's not that big a similarity (yet).

doesn't mean, however, that the execution of it was as good as either Lost or The 4400. they certainly have to work on a few things. but, for now, it definitely has potential.

 

[GL1]

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this.

The screener I saw was just 58 minutes long from the two hours version which without commercials would be around 98 minutes or so. All I had to say is that thank god because the show is a complete mess. They say the show is like Lost. Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other. The main characters are all over the place as in they lives way too far from each other and none know of each other. I don’t see how these people are ever going to find themselves and be like a group maybe in season 4 or 5. If the series is going to survive, the main characters on the show need to find each other and fast otherwise it will just be a one character per episode even if the pilot contains all of the main characters. There is just one character and one plotline that interests me was the Indian character (Mohinder Suresh) that is trying to find out who killed his father from researching people who has special powers. The dialogues are sometime cheesy. Especially the Japanese lines speaking that took place in Japan spoken by one of the main character on the show. I find the Japanese character very annoying. Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost. Milo Ventimiglia character Peter Petrelli is way too “Fantastic Four”ist. He thinks that he should do something great with his life with his powers so he have to announce it every time he is on screen. Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN. Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence and it should be because the show is very hard to follow which accompanied by bad dialogues. Who wrote this crap? Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN.

The pilot portion didn’t have the Greg Grunberg’s Matt Parkman character in it so thank god for that because there was way too many characters with their own plot and life to presented in the first 58 minutes. The show just tried too hard to present the condition of how each character came to have powers and learning how to use them.

I hope the pilot episode will be re-shoot, rewritten, and reinvented because this show will die as soon as it aired. I was very looking forward to the show but now I’ve seen it, well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes.

This is silly

1) The only thing this has in common with X-Men is people get their powers by evolution. That's all, the premise of X-Men involves, first and foremost a TEAM of people. A school. Fighting for mutant rights in a world that hates and fears them? Soudn familiar? Yes, Heroes has none of that. I dare you to find any other similiarities to the "World of X-Men" other than powers coming from evolution. Any. I dare you.

2) Suresh is looking for all of them. Two of them are brothers. Ones father is hunting Suresh, the painter's homegirl is friends with one of the brothers, who regularly rides in Suresh's cab. The only one disconnected is the Japanese guy, and guess what, this is only the first episode, he could bump into Peter first thing episode two, IF the writers were trying to form a team. They're not.

3) Character nitpicks... sure... go for it. The Japanese guy acted like any uber comic geek. If he got on your nerves, look in the mirror. If that offends you, go to a comic con.

4) Too hard to follow. Dear gosh, I hope you don't ever have to watch a soap opera... the concept of multiple storylines is not new.

That said, the show is not perfect. I found it a bit dark, but perhaps my monitor is acting up. I thought the music for MirrorWoman's scenes was WAY overplayed among a few other nitpicks. But, I do see how it could get much better very easily.

Not Lost, but not lost either.

 

[JackBauer]

Not Lost, but not lost either.

heh, well said!

 

[AnimeJune]

heh, well said!

Indeed. I wouldn't want a Lost knock-off.

Lost should inspire other shows to be as well detailed and plot-driven, but not outright copying.

 

[Pauluz]

I loved it and I can't wait for ep. 2!

 

[GyLocke]

It was uneven, but with an awsome, awsome WTF? ending.

 

[JackBauer]

it would've been more of a WTF moment if the effects were better. as it was, it was plain laughable.

 

[GL1]

it would've been more of a WTF moment if the effects were better. as it was, it was plain laughable.

Spoiler

I almost thought he was swinging off of something, which would have been hilaroiusly cool...

as is it was... awkward, enough so that the WTF initial excitement was toned down, but the overall respect for the twist has not been diminished...

Also, has anyone seen a pilot episode that contains Matt Parkman (Grunberg's character) and D.L. (um... the black inmate)?

 

[JackBauer]

they're not in the pilot, their characters were left to be introduced in the second episode.

as for the twist, I myself got a bigger WTF when it was revealed that

Spoiler

Claire's dad was the guy chasing Suresh

.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I'm gonna give the show a chance, it looks interesting enough. I don't really know what to expect, but I would never judge a series like this on the pilot alone, you need to see at least the first 3-4 episodes for a show like this. I don't expect this to be X-Men or Lost (never saw the 4400), if anything I'm expecting something along the lines of Unbreakable. As for some of the complaints;

First off, the show is trying to be too much like the X-MEN. It is virtually the same premise. People without anything affecting them to made them to have super powers. It is just like they were born and one day they find out they have powers. I feel a lawsuit is justified from Marvel Comics coming on about this
- You obviously have no idea what X-Men is about, it's about tolerance and racism, not just getting superpowers. Heroes looks like it's more about discovery right now. As for the powers, how should they have handled these people getting powers? Nuclear bombs, irradiated spiders, maybe they're aliens from a destroyed planet far, far away?

Where people are connected in some way aside from having super powers there is nothing making them connected to each other
- The connections for Lost weren't apparent at first, but we're getting more and more connections as the series progresses.

Not lovable like the character Jin on Lost
- Jin wasn't lovable on Lost until mid to late 1st season, he was a huge d*ck actually in the first half of the 1st season.

Maybe he hasn’t heard of mutant registration like in X-MEN
- if these people just woke up with powers, then I don't think the government has had the time to pass the mutant registration act like in X-Men and who knows, maybe that'll be an issue later down the road.

Moving the show to Monday night at 10pm would be like a death sentence
- What's on at 10pm that's so great?

Oh yeah, people who one-day decided to rip-off the world of X-MEN
- THIS ISN'T X-MEN!!!!!!

well let just say I rather watches David Caruso on CSI Miami with his bad acting than watching Heroes
- Might as well watch a non-serialized paint-by-numbers procedural drama like CSI because serialized dramas don't seem to agree with you since they take time to unfold, the case isn't always solved by the end of the hour.

 

[storyteller]

This is silly

1) The only thing this has in common with X-Men is people get their powers by evolution. That's all, the premise of X-Men involves, first and foremost a TEAM of people. A school. Fighting for mutant rights in a world that hates and fears them? Soudn familiar? Yes, Heroes has none of that. I dare you to find any other similiarities to the "World of X-Men" other than powers coming from evolution. Any. I dare you.

Ill take the dare. Japanese man in a club talking about KITTY PRIDE(shadowcat) and teleports into ladies restroom. The only beef i got with the show is that how can anyone trust an asian behind the wheels of teleportation.

 

[Oerwinde]

I saw it and thought it was cool. It will definitely join Lost and Battlestar Galactica in my weekly downloads.