The Piracy Threat...?

[DareDemon]

It was sarcasm. But the problem some people have with illegal downloads is that people lose their jobs. So, what about other people that lose their jobs, shouldn't we make laws to protect them just like the government is making laws to protect the RIAA?

There's a difference between losing business because they want to buy something else and losing business because of theft.

Surely, surely, you can see this?

 

[bell110]

You're a backpedaling liar. I'm not surprised.

lol, it wasn't a lie at all. I don't mind that people make a profit. If someone's playing music for the sole purpose of making a profit, they deserve to fail. It's like saying I don't mind if people speed, but if they speed they deserve to get a ticket. You just make **** up as you go, right?

You are an idiot.

I loathe marijuana, and can not stand most stoners. My music has already been bought by the fans. Just because your music sucks and would not generate any interest doesn't mean that everyone's in the same boat as you.


More idiocy.
1) This isn't just about music.
As I said earlier, I'm right now in the process of saving up to make a film.
I want a really nice steady cam rig. The one I want costs $18,000.
I need animatronics in the movie. That costs money.
I need actors in the movie.
That costs money.
There are optical effects involved.
That costs money.

WRONG. It is about music. You are changing the subject. I haven't spoke about making movies.

Next, my old band was the biggest band in town. All the other bar bands were making from 0 to maybe 50 bucks and free beer when they'd play.
My band was making 1 to 2 thousand a night, because more people really wanted to see our show.

One of the reasons was that we got sick of all the grungy, boring, everyday f***s in their dirty T-Shirts and holey jeans, glumly strumming their guitars, and the chubby rappers in their hoodies and tennis shoes, standing on a stage like a lump.
So we wanted to put on a spectacle.
It cost a f***ing fortune to put on each show with all of the lights, bombs, smoke, scenery, costumes, etc.

Who the **** are you, Gwar?

And when we got paid, we'd just plow it back into the next show.
The shows were a giant spectacle that financed itself...through PROFIT.
We weren't all born with millionaire Mommies and Daddies to pay our ways through life and spoil us.
We had to work hard, to create something, and then enjoy the fruit of that labor.

If we weren't making any money, we wouldn't be able to realize OUR ART as effectively, which was, conceptually, to create a visual/sonic experience that blew everyone else out of the water.

So, you're more of a theater act then a band.

*b00m*, you are wrong.
You're arrogantly assuming that life and art for everyone else is exactly as it is for you and your circle.
And that's how you people think.
You think YOU decide what can be charged, and when someone is rich enough, and what you're entitled to.

Makes me ill.

*b00m*, you are dumb.
I never assumed anything. Yes, putting on a theater show is more expensive then normal bands just loading their gear in a van.
*b00m*, you proved my point that musician's profit comes from live shows, even your little theater troop.
*b00m*, nothing you said had anything to do with CD sales and downloading.
*b00m*, I think you are lying. You seem to mentally incompetent to pull off such an elaborate stage show.

 

[BlackLantern]

O.K. Bell....what do you consider a fair price for a music CD?? or a DVD???

 

[Figs]

O.K. Bell....what do you consider a fair price for a music CD?? or a DVD???

I don't think Bell knows what price is, just the word Free!

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

There's a difference between losing business because they want to buy something else and losing business because of theft.

Surely, surely, you can see this?

I've seen this before when you try to show Christians how in the 10 commandments, it doesn't just say not to worship idols, it also says that you're not allowed to make a likeness of anything in the sky, on the Earth, or in the sea.

They can not face the fact that what they're doing is wrong, so they have to create a new reality, that goes by their own made up rules and supplants the actual rules of reality, and they desperately try to maintain their illusory "reality".........but it can't be defended by a rational mind, so rational thought has to go out the window.

It's really disturbing to watch. It's also similar to when a wife is in denial about the fact that her husband is sexually abusing their children.

The clearest most obvious truths are sitting their, RIGHT in front of their faces, and they can't see it at all.

 

[bell110]

Your whole point seems to be that you don't want the record labels to profit because they are this evil life sucking force that is only concerned with money and you seem to be very pro-artist.

So what if the artist has decided that their work was worth more than you are willing yo pay??? It is their work and it is their right to determine its worth....

No, my point is that illegally downloading music is not a bad thing. If the RIAA falls, it's not going to be the end of music.

If they think their work is worth more then I'm willing to pay for, then I'd probably think they were pompous *******s who I wouldn't shell out a single cent to for a CD or see them live. Even if it was my favorite band. But, they're in the music business, they better be prepared to have their music downloaded. It's the nature of the beast, if you don't like it, go back to moving furniture. It's like running a daycare and going, "I'm not changing diapers", get used to it, it's part of the terriorty.

 

[DareDemon]

It's like running a daycare and going, "I'm not changing diapers", get used to it, it's part of the terriorty.

No, it's more like walking down the street, getting mugged, and the police saying "Oh well it comes with the territory".

 

[Erzengel]

Alright, I just looked up new Albums released this week.

Carrie Underwood (first name I was familiar with) released a new one.

On iTunes her album is $9.99, on Amazon it's $9.99 and on Best Buy it's $9.99.

How exactly is this any type of a rip off?

 

[bell110]

There's a difference between losing business because they want to buy something else and losing business because of theft.

Surely, surely, you can see this?

It's only theft because the government made it that way. Society in general does not believe it's theft.

 

[DareDemon]

It's only theft because the government made it that way. Society in general does not believe it's theft.

Well, it seems about 4 people the whole thread agree with you.

In this community on the Hype! you seem to be losing.

I'll say it again, the sense of entitlement in today's youth is astounding.

 

[bell110]

O.K. Bell....what do you consider a fair price for a music CD?? or a DVD???

$10 is fine. More then that and I start to cringe. But that's for a CD that I actually want. I download song to find out if the CD is worth buying. I don't buy dvds, if I want to watch a movie, I rent it.

 

[bell110]

I've seen this before when you try to show Christians how in the 10 commandments, it doesn't just say not to worship idols, it also says that you're not allowed to make a likeness of anything in the sky, on the Earth, or in the sea.

They can not face the fact that what they're doing is wrong, so they have to create a new reality, that goes by their own made up rules and supplants the actual rules of reality, and they desperately try to maintain their illusory "reality".........but it can't be defended by a rational mind, so rational thought has to go out the window.

It's really disturbing to watch. It's also similar to when a wife is in denial about the fact that her husband is sexually abusing their children.

The clearest most obvious truths are sitting their, RIGHT in front of their faces, and they can't see it at all.

Don't you DARE call me Christian.

 

[DareDemon]

Don't you DARE call me Christian.

Don't worry, it'd be hard to find someone that believes you a Christian.

A hypocritical one, maybe.

 

[Norman Osborn]

$10 is fine. More then that and I start to cringe. But that's for a CD that I actually want. I download song to find out if the CD is worth buying. I don't buy dvds, if I want to watch a movie, I rent it.

Why not just go to the band's website and listen to the samplers?

 

[Erzengel]

So wait...explain something to me, you go to the movies and it's $9.00 and you sit throuh an experience you can't actually take anything away from it physcially but you won't pay more than $10.00 for a cd?

 

[BlackLantern]

No, my point is that illegally downloading music is not a bad thing. If the RIAA falls, it's not going to be the end of music.

If they think their work is worth more then I'm willing to pay for, then I'd probably think they were pompous *******s who I wouldn't shell out a single cent to for a CD or see them live. Even if it was my favorite band. But, they're in the music business, they better be prepared to have their music downloaded. It's the nature of the beast, if you don't like it, go back to moving furniture. It's like running a daycare and going, "I'm not changing diapers", get used to it, it's part of the terriorty.

According to your point of view....and I pay my escorts for their services, thank you very much. But it is the artist and it is their work, you should be supportive of them regardless of what they charge because there is no third party (record label)....its like Wil said, you seem to be restricting your point of view to your little world that you live in. Like I posted previous, this whole thing does not affect me at all. If I want to pay 28 dollars for a Beatles double disc it isnt an issue for me. I just bought Halo 3 and bought The Orange Box about 2 weeks later.....I'm trying really hard to see it from the other side, but when the other side even refuses to acknowledge they are even breaking the law (whether its fair or not) makes it kind of tough for me to sympathize.

 

[BlackLantern]

$10 is fine. More then that and I start to cringe. But that's for a CD that I actually want. I download song to find out if the CD is worth buying. I don't buy dvds, if I want to watch a movie, I rent it.

ok...now what do you base the price off of? is it based on your income/budget situation?

 

[bell110]

Alright, I just looked up new Albums released this week.

Carrie Underwood (first name I was familiar with) released a new one.

On iTunes her album is $9.99, on Amazon it's $9.99 and on Best Buy it's $9.99.

How exactly is this any type of a rip off?

Because who would want to shell out $10 for Carrie Underwood.

Seriously though, new CDs are not as expensive. I still see older CDs going for $17 or $18. And total production cost are like $3.

 

[BlackLantern]

Because who would want to shell out $10 for Carrie Underwood.

Seriously though, new CDs are not as expensive. I still see older CDs going for $17 or $18. And total production cost are like $3.

This is where you come off as ignorant. Just because you dont like a specific brand of music doesn't mean it isnt valid or that there isnt a viable market for it. For the record I hate Carrie Underwood and anything associated with America Idol.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Because who would want to shell out $10 for Carrie Underwood.

Seriously though, new CDs are not as expensive. I still see older CDs going for $17 or $18. And total production cost are like $3.

A Carrie Underwood fan?

 

[Wilhelm-Scream]

Alright, I just looked up new Albums released this week.

Carrie Underwood (first name I was familiar with) released a new one.

On iTunes her album is $9.99, on Amazon it's $9.99 and on Best Buy it's $9.99.

How exactly is this any type of a rip off?

LOL

I know.
These weirdos are willing to pay more for one visit to McDonalds than for music that they can listen to and enjoy for the rest of their lives.
The reason it doesn't add up or make any sort of sense is that, they're wrong and dishonest.

It's like the old thing about, if you could turn invisible and were 100% guaranteed that you wouldn't get caught, would you:

• Rape a hot chick?
• Rob a bank?
• Kill someone?

The answer for most people is, Hell yes. It's not about what's right or wrong, it's about, "Will I get caught?! "

It's like these jerks think music is so worthless that the only fair price for a CD is if it goes into the negative numbers, like they have to pay you $20 to listen to the hard won fruit of their labors.

 

[bell110]

So wait...explain something to me, you go to the movies and it's $9.00 and you sit throuh an experience you can't actually take anything away from it physcially but you won't pay more than $10.00 for a cd?

I didn't say I wouldn't pay more then $10, I said it's a fair price. Movies are completely different.

 

[Erzengel]

Because who would want to shell out $10 for Carrie Underwood.

Seriously though, new CDs are not as expensive. I still see older CDs going for $17 or $18. And total production cost are like $3.

Give me an example of an older cd?

Hard Day's Night? $12.99

Led Zeppelin 1? $14.99

And you can always download music of Napster or iTunes for $0.99 if you don't want the whole album.

 

[jks]

It's only theft because the government made it that way. Society in general does not believe it's theft.

The majority of society who can actually read DO believe it is theft...you know....given how it fits the definition of stealing and all.....


steal

/stil/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[steel] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation, verb, stole, sto·len, steal·ing, noun –verb (used with object) 1.to take (the property of another or others) without permission or right, esp. secretly or by force: A pickpocket stole his watch. 2.to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment. 3.to take, get, or win insidiously, surreptitiously, subtly, or by chance: He stole my girlfriend. 4.to move, bring, convey, or put secretly or quietly; smuggle (usually fol. by away, from, in, into, etc.): They stole the bicycle into the bedroom to surprise the child. 5.Baseball. (of a base runner) to gain (a base) without the help of a walk or batted ball, as by running to it during the delivery of a pitch. 6.Games. to gain (a point, advantage, etc.) by strategy, chance, or luck. 7.to gain or seize more than one's share of attention in, as by giving a superior performance: The comedian stole the show.

 

[Norman Osborn]

Give me an example of an older cd?

Hard Day's Night? $12.99

Led Zeppelin 1? $14.99

And you can always download music of Napster or iTunes for $0.99 if you don't want the whole album.

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