The Amazing Spider-Man The pros and cons of a the reboot

[bryanss3]

I don't think he'll have a problem i think he's like Sam Jackson he'll act in anything if the moneys right

 

[Figs]

I won't say these are cons but more of "that kind of sucks" factors because there will most likely be full recasts.

1. The actress who played Aunt May was great, looks and acting.

2. J.K. Simmons made a great J Jonah as well.

3. Willem Dafoe and Alfred Molina were great as GG and Doc Ock.

4. Due to obvious recasting, poor Dylan Baker most likely won't get his chance as The Lizard. It's not like he would be in a suit of course but he would have gotten more screentime.

Now with that being said, that doesn't mean that they can't get better actors for those roles in the future. It's just I wish they would have waited a little longer for a reboot.

5. I love the ending to the first 2 films with that last scene of him swinging around. Especially the first film, with that music playing...I was pumped and smiling seeing that on the big screen. That most likely won't happen in the reboot due to the new Director not wanting to copy the previous films. No big loss I guess but it was still a cool way to end the films.

6. The last fight in the first film with GG was so damn close to the classic scene in the comics(minus MJ replacing Gwen obviously), that I think if they used GG in a reboot they would drastically alter that scene and it's outcome just so they wouldn't copy Raimi's film.

Pros.

1. Have Peter like the comics, not just giving him more smart ass comments/jokes but having him way more confident and less whiney after he gets his powers.

2. Gwen Stacey being introduced before Mary Jane.

3. A better written Mary Jane if she is in this reboot or an eventual sequel, I want her more like the MJ of the comics. I'm not a Kirsten Dunst hater(I liked her in the first one a lot, damn them lightening her red hair in the sequels) but they wrote her way too whiney and just an overall *****. That's not the way she is in the comics. Oh yeah, put her in the backseat as well. She had waaay too much screentime in the films. I understand Raimi wanted to show the relationship between her and Peter(I'm sure a lot of that had to do with getting more female audience member's asses in the seats)but it was too much in my opinion. I mean the first film starts off with him talking about how all good stories start(or was it revolve) around a girl.

4. I love Raimi, got into his Evil Dead films a number of years ago. With that being said I do get his style of humour in a lot of his films but in this reboot we hopefully won't get as much cheese. Like when he had that scene in the second film that used the song Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head(which was also used in Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid), as well as that old asian lady with the violin singing(horribly)the old Spider-Man song. With that nod being done by Raimi, there's a good chance we won't see anything like that hopefully in this reboot.

5. Crossing my fingers for some villains that don't have backgrounds or motives that make them slightly sympathetic. I want some villians that are just all around cold hearted bad guys. Since GG and Doc Ock were used not too long ago(I count those as 2 of Spidey's biggest villains, not just because of the films either), I say bring on any of these villians. Mysterio, the Lizard, Electro, Shocker, Vulture, Chameleon, Kraven, Scorpion and maybe even Tombstone.

That's what I got so far off the top of my head.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I don't think he'll have a problem i think he's like Sam Jackson he'll act in anything if the moneys right

If he returns, I'll be so happy because we'll atleast have someone from the birlliant (yes, I said brilliant) trilogy. Oh, god, how I already miss the original cast and crew.

 

[Figs]

If he returns, I'll be so happy because we'll atleast have someone from the birlliant (yes, I said brilliant) trilogy. Oh, god, how I already miss the original cast and crew.

You know, when I heard this news I kind of felt the same way, especially to the actors I put in my Cons list.

After thinking about it for awhile, I was feeling the same way when they first announced a full new start with Batman Begins. I still love Burton's films and the cast but Nolan's I like even more.

I'm definitely giving the reboot a chance. For all we know, it could blow Raimi's out of the water.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

a major con will be no more Bruce Campbell

 

[Golgo-13]

I wish he would, but he probably wouldn't want to work with a new cast. It's sad that he'll have to be replaced. Very sad!

Judi Dench came back for the Bond re-boot, which made absolutely no sense to me, so i don't see why Simmons can't...

 

[Vile]

a major con will be no more Bruce Campbell

That would be a major pro. It just got annoying after Spidey 1.

 

[SuperFerret]

You have no soul or sense of humor then.

 

[Daybreak_st]

It's a huge surprise to me too. I didn't like SM3 but still don't see the need for a reboot. It feels like people are reboot crazy these days. Like "oh the last film didn't go well, what do we do...reboot!"

The could have easily just gotten a new director and new actors and move the franchise forward. Skip ahead a year, say MJ moved to hollywood to pursue her career. Focus on Pete in college as an established Spider-man. That's simple enough. You could tell any story you wanted, use any villain, sky's the limit.

I just dont' see the point in rebooting from ground zero. The movies are only 10 years old. And as was said, the first two were amazing, they really established what a good superhero movie was in the modern age. Now in rebooting you have to tell the same story over again, and unless you're making som significant changes it's a pretty basic story. How will you impove on it? Also the other films are very well know and still quite popular, now they are forcing comparisons between the new and the old since your covering the same territory from 10 years ago.

We'll see how it turns out, my preference tho is just to move forward already instead of retreading old ground. I can think of a few good reasons to reboot: 1) the series is dead in the water, no one likes it or will touch it (ex Batman & Robin) 2) a significant amount of time has passed and the franchise needs new life (ex. Star Trek) 3) some crazy element was added in a previous movie that hinders or stifles any new stories about the characters (this last one is iffy but an example is the kid from superman returns, to do any new movies your forced to deal with the kid, only other option is a reboot). Those three reasons i can accept but no apply to spider-man. If they re-introduce the villains do you really think they'll top Dr. Oct from spidey 2? Only time will tell.

 

[ultimatefan]

My two cents:

PROS

- The script for SM4 sounded terrible, with the baby, Vulturess and whatnot. It totally could have been another SM3, or worse.

- Raimi and the studio couldn´t agree, so it was better they parted ways.

- The old cast and crew became very expensive. With a new team they can deliver a big spectacle for a smaller budget.

- The reboot is an opportunity to revitalize the franchise with a new filmmaker´s fresh ideas, maybe improve in the areas that the old franchise didn´t get quite that well.

CONS

- The rumors that the reboot script has a dark, gritty, Dark Knight-ish tone sound like the studio is more worried about joining a bandwagon than doing Spidey right.

- 2012 may be too soon for a reboot, it could confuse the audience as to whether this still has anything to do with the old franchise.

- SM3, with all its problems, still wasn´t Batman and Robin or Hulk. It was a commercially successful movie. Maybe not all fans and moviegoers will be on board with a Spidey franchise sans Raimi, Maguire, etc.

- The rumor that they may remake the origin sounds bad. The origin was well told in the first movie, and it´s highly doubtful that spending another forty minutes/one hour telling the origin will help boost the interest up again.

 

[Figs]

- The old cast and crew became very expensive. With a new team they can deliver a big spectacle for a smaller budget.

I wouldn't necessarily want a smaller budget. The cost of part 3 was pretty ridiculous so maybe not that high but I want a really good budget for effects. If they get actors who won't demand much, that would leave way more of the budget for effects of course.

 

[BillyZaned]

No Dylan Baker as the Lizard.... that was something, that everyone was looking forward too... specially with Raimi helming it...

Spiderman in the sewers, being stalked be the Lizard... with Raimis horror roots showing... we lost out big here guys

 

[TheSlag]

Pro's:

- No More GweMJ character
- Actual MJ character
- Actual Gwen Stacy characer
- Actual Capt Stacy character
- No Power Ranger Goblin
- Death of Capt Stacy Arc
- NOT all about ONE Girl *yay*
- Gwen Stacy as first love
- Death of Gwen Stacy arc - Goblin Legacy
- Darker Goblin (see no more power ranger goblin above)
- Harry following CLOSER in his father's footsteps instead of Sufer Dood villain
- Goblin Mind games with Peter (more than what we got)
- Much more use of rich supporting cast than simple cameos and one-liners
- More serious story arcs that are NOT all centered around ONE gril
- MJ being there to support Peter in his darkest hour
- No More sympathetic villains
- No more one story and OFF WITH THERI HEADS for the villains.. sheeesh
- Justice done to the Symbiote/Black Spidey/Venom (as in an actual dark Peter vs. EMO dancin struttin Peter)
- An Aunt May that is NOT the number one fan of Spidey (one that does not trust Spdier-Man.. which will MAKE the story SO MUCH more meaningful when she discovers Peter's secret)
- A Doc Ock (who is NOT.. THE TENTACLES MADE ME DO IT)
- Connors Clan and the Lizard story Arc done justice (cannot wait for that)

Cons:

- James Franco (truely one of, if not the best things about SM1-3). Gonna be hard to replace him IMO
- Molina (Greatness as Ock, even with the incorrect motivations for Ock)
- Ending to SM1.. Pure Greatness and had me so hyped for what would come (that captured the essence of Spidey at the cemetery.. pity it did NOT continue and went back to the ALL about ONE girl BS)
- Wall Battles and Train Battle with Ock in SM2.. HOW IN THE HELL do you redo that greatness and make it better??? how?

 

[King K]

I see no cons. Trilogy felt like it completed its story and now its time to retell it.

 

[chamber-music]

- The rumor that they may remake the origin sounds bad. The origin was well told in the first movie, and it´s highly doubtful that spending another forty minutes/one hour telling the origin will help boost the interest up again.

Got to say I agree with this. Unless they are going to add something radically different to the origins I for one don't want to sit through another retelling of something we already have seen. It would be tedious.

 

[Artistsean]

I was just going to make this thread,

pros:
1. better actor to play Peter Parker/Spider-Man. An actor more suited for the part. As good an actor as Tobey is, I never felt like he was right for Spider-man or Peter. He always seemed too stiff to me. Although with each movie it seemed he was getting better. But this time maybe they can cast someone with natural Peter Parker/Spider-Man charisma.
2. Better actress for MJ, I didn't have a problem with her being MJ really, her role started making her unlikeable but that wasn't really Dunst's fault. But maybe now they can get an actress who looks more like, and acts more like MJ.
3. Maybe make things closer to the Comic from the start, like maybe having Peter and Gwen date before he ends up with MJ. Maybe make Captain Stacey a bigger part. Maybe make Doc Ock a meany, or make Goblin's costume closer to the comic. The movies were pretty close, you know until the 3rd movie. But maybe make things even closer to the comic.
4. Maybe they can tie this Spider-Man into the Iron Man movies and the SHIELD movies, making part of the Marvel movie universe now.
There might be more Pros but thats all I can think of right now.

Cons:
1. We all got to know and love the Raimi/Tobey Spider-Man movies. It just is such a shock and feels almost like the studio is saying that those movies were bad, and sort of like saying you the audiance shouldn't have liked them. Or that none of those movies mattered.
2. With Sony now having more power over the Spider-man movies, since Raimi left they will probably get a director and crew who will let them get away with more, the movie could suffer from things like forcing in Venom, turning the Black Cat into the Vulturess, using Morbius instead of a more classic bad guy, not using a classic bad guy becuase he will not make as much money for them, introducing the baby, and other ideas that might end up hurting the movie.
With the studio now in more power, that might not be so good for the movie.
3. Retelling the origin when they already did such a great job in Spider-Man 1 with tobey. Peter gets bitten, learns about his powers, becomes a wrestler, makes costume, becomes Spider-man. everything seemed so great, how can they make it new and different and interesting? Will they make changes just to make it different?
What about the costume? Will they make changes? I always thought that Tobey's spidey costume was great. We will get a bad Spidey costume just to make it different?
4. Not using certain villains, Raimi pushed for Vulture and Sandman in 3 and was forced into using Venom in 3 in place of Vulture. Then he pushed for Vulture in 4, and ended up leaving. It sounds like the studio really didn't want to use the Vulture. So its probably safe to say they will never use him. but what about other bad guys? What about Kraven? Chameleon? the Lizard? Mysterio or the Scorpion? Will the studio never use certain bad guys? And what about already used bad guys like Green Goblin (who they used in 1, sort of in 2, and ruined in 3), or Doc Ock, or the Sandman? Because they were already used does that mean they will never use them in the reboot?

There might be more cons, but thats all for now.



All in all, even though this was a total shock and punch to the gut, I think a reboot wouldn't be so bad. Maybe more good can come out of it than bad. Maybe we can get a much better Spider-Man universe out of it. It could be really fun.

 

[Deaths Head II]

4. Not using certain villains, Raimi pushed for Vulture and Sandman in 3 and was forced into using Venom in 3 in place of Vulture. Then he pushed for Vulture in 4, and ended up leaving. It sounds like the studio really didn't want to use the Vulture. So its probably safe to say they will never use him. but what about other bad guys? What about Kraven? Chameleon? the Lizard? Mysterio or the Scorpion? Will the studio never use certain bad guys? And what about already used bad guys like Green Goblin (who they used in 1, sort of in 2, and ruined in 3), or Doc Ock, or the Sandman? Because they were already used does that mean they will never use them in the reboot?

I feel this is a major con. I think Sony will only be willing to use the popular Spider-Man villains. I wouldn't be surprised if we got a trilogy with Venom and Carnage as the main villains.

 

[SuperFerret]

That would be horrible. Venom got his story out in Spider-Man 3.

 

[TMC1982]

I wish he would, but he probably wouldn't want to work with a new cast. It's sad that he'll have to be replaced. Very sad!

Dame Judi Dench continued to play M in the James Bond films once Daniel Craig took over, even though those films are technically, part of a reboot (*somebody already said that*).

Anyway, one pro for the reboot is that it will start things off with a clean slate obviously. Sam Raimi and company really put themselves in a seriously convoluted hole when they decided to recon Sandman/Flint Marko into being Uncle Ben's real killer. Any time that a comic book franchise decides to do something utterly drastic (e.g. giving Clark Kent and Lois Lane a kid in Superman Returns, killing off/"curing" several major characters in X-Men: The Last Stand, the whole direction of Batman & Robin, etc.) when it's otherwise unnecessary, then you know that they're going to be major league problems.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

you know a lot of these trilogy films always end up having 1 bad/ok film after the public complains about it and then here is all the mess with a reboot franchise

B&R was the movie that killed the Batman franchise right? Or X3 killed, literally any chance for an X4, hence the origin stories forthcoming...IMO I don't think 1 film can make or break a franchise if its predecessor made much dinero!!! I think its the studio(s) that are being lazy/controlling that won't hire directors/writers who are capable of fixing the mess from the last film...for example the planned 5th Bat-film could have been the film that redeemed B & R for all we know ala Spider 4...

I think reboots this early is a dis to the films that came before it and its the STUDIO who wants it done their way and not the director/writers who get paid for creative thinking/writing

in other words do i think this franchise needs a "face lift" HELL NO!!! every film has their flaws, but hey thats life...I'm fond of the 3 spider flims and it was good stuff for that decade...Hollywood is gonna burn these heroes out trying to make them like Batman when some of them are not...Bats is a dark character w/dark villians so it makes sense TDK was the way it is...Spidey is usually campy w/serious tones at times and you can't force a character to be dark just because of another film....

 

[Vile]

Pros: It could be the adaptation a lot of us have been waiting for.

Cons: It can't get any worse.

 

[spider-neil]

Pro's:

- No More GweMJ character
- Actual MJ character
- Actual Gwen Stacy characer
- Actual Capt Stacy character
- No Power Ranger Goblin
- Death of Capt Stacy Arc
- NOT all about ONE Girl *yay*
- Gwen Stacy as first love
- Death of Gwen Stacy arc - Goblin Legacy
- Darker Goblin (see no more power ranger goblin above)
- Harry following CLOSER in his father's footsteps instead of Sufer Dood villain
- Goblin Mind games with Peter (more than what we got)
- Much more use of rich supporting cast than simple cameos and one-liners
- More serious story arcs that are NOT all centered around ONE gril
- MJ being there to support Peter in his darkest hour
- No More sympathetic villains
- No more one story and OFF WITH THERI HEADS for the villains.. sheeesh
- Justice done to the Symbiote/Black Spidey/Venom (as in an actual dark Peter vs. EMO dancin struttin Peter)
- An Aunt May that is NOT the number one fan of Spidey (one that does not trust Spdier-Man.. which will MAKE the story SO MUCH more meaningful when she discovers Peter's secret)
- A Doc Ock (who is NOT.. THE TENTACLES MADE ME DO IT)
- Connors Clan and the Lizard story Arc done justice (cannot wait for that)

Cons:

- James Franco (truely one of, if not the best things about SM1-3). Gonna be hard to replace him IMO
- Molina (Greatness as Ock, even with the incorrect motivations for Ock)
- Ending to SM1.. Pure Greatness and had me so hyped for what would come (that captured the essence of Spidey at the cemetery.. pity it did NOT continue and went back to the ALL about ONE girl BS)
- Wall Battles and Train Battle with Ock in SM2.. HOW IN THE HELL do you redo that greatness and make it better??? how?

a lot of your pros are assumptions

 

[mothy]

It's a huge surprise to me too. I didn't like SM3 but still don't see the need for a reboot. It feels like people are reboot crazy these days. Like "oh the last film didn't go well, what do we do...reboot!"

The could have easily just gotten a new director and new actors and move the franchise forward. Skip ahead a year, say MJ moved to hollywood to pursue her career. Focus on Pete in college as an established Spider-man. That's simple enough. You could tell any story you wanted, use any villain, sky's the limit.

I just dont' see the point in rebooting from ground zero. The movies are only 10 years old. And as was said, the first two were amazing, they really established what a good superhero movie was in the modern age. Now in rebooting you have to tell the same story over again, and unless you're making som significant changes it's a pretty basic story. How will you impove on it? Also the other films are very well know and still quite popular, now they are forcing comparisons between the new and the old since your covering the same territory from 10 years ago.

We'll see how it turns out, my preference tho is just to move forward already instead of retreading old ground. I can think of a few good reasons to reboot: 1) the series is dead in the water, no one likes it or will touch it (ex Batman & Robin) 2) a significant amount of time has passed and the franchise needs new life (ex. Star Trek) 3) some crazy element was added in a previous movie that hinders or stifles any new stories about the characters (this last one is iffy but an example is the kid from superman returns, to do any new movies your forced to deal with the kid, only other option is a reboot). Those three reasons i can accept but no apply to spider-man. If they re-introduce the villains do you really think they'll top Dr. Oct from spidey 2? Only time will tell.

good post. i agree with it. this reboot is just annoying. it shouldn't even be happening.

 

[Leenie]

Pros:
-Maybe the Spider-Sense ability will be showcased better? I hope!
-Maybe we'll get a better portrayal of Venom?
-Maybe this reboot will be a sign of Sony going back to basics with this franchise? That less is more, and they're going to stick to it?

Cons:
-At this point, I still feel that it's way too early to be doing a reboot.
-The fans were royally screwed out of seeing Lizard in the previous trilogy.
-I will miss the old cast (especially Maguire, Simmons, and Harris).
-If the first reboot movie is an origin story, then it's going to feel tedious and boring (since we all saw an origin story less than ten years ago).
-If the reboot sucks, then that may be the final nail in Spidey's cinematic coffin for quite a long time.

This reboot is a "Make or Break" kind of thing for Spider-Man right now. I'm not optimistic about how well this movie is going to turn out, but I want Sony to prove me wrong.

 

[zeptron]

Possible Con

Whoever takes over may like symbiotes and we'll get Venom which will eventually lead to one note, one dimensional Carnage.