The REAL Marvel issue numbers....

[hippie_hunter]

Wow, lookit all them books that'd be hittin' 500 if Marvel hadn't mucked with the numbering. Gonna be awesome when a mainstream monthly title finally hits 1,000. The UK's got us beat out thanks to their weekly books.

A few of Marvel books will be hitting milestone status this year. Alex Ross will be doing the covers for them while mentioning that the one for the Incredible Hulk #600 is completed. Daredevil is an obvious one since April's solicitation would be the 498th issue if it weren't first cancelled.

However, I really don't get Hulk's math here:

If we do it the way Marvel treated Thor by using the anthology title it was a part of (Journey into Mystery issues 1-125 while ignoring Journey into Mystery #504-521), then Hulk (using Tales to Astonish and ignoring the Incredible Hercules) would already have approached the 600th issue at Hulk #8.

Ignoring the Tales to Astonish anthology title that became the Incredible Hulk, then we're nowhere near Hulk #600 and would have had the 500th issue this month in Hulk #10. I see no Hulk #500.

And if we include the Incredible Hercules along with the anthology title we're still past #600.

The only way to reach #600 is by ignoring the first six issue Hulk series. Including all of Tales to Astonish. Ignore the Incredible Hercules. And count the current Hulk series which would put us at Hulk #597 in April 2009. That's incredibly stupid by ignoring the first series.

 

[Themanofbat]

I think it's just one of those things that Marvel missed the boat on...

But as you mentioned, by all rights, the next issue of the Hulk would be #500.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Shouldn't it be right that Detective hits #1000 first, considering it started before?

Maybe, but as long as it's a DC book that hits first, I'm cool.

 

[yenaled]

Shouldn't it be right that Detective hits #1000 first, considering it started before?

Action Comics just released issue #874
Detective Comics just releases issue #852

Action Comics #1 may have been released over a year after Detective Comics #1 but for just under a year between 1988/19889 it was released weekly.

 

[CantThinkOfAName]

i know this.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I think it's just one of those things that Marvel missed the boat on...

But as you mentioned, by all rights, the next issue of the Hulk would be #500.

Anthology titles count IMO. They're the same book, just with a new title and a completely new direction.

 

[masteryoda]

Wouldnt New Avengers have been included in the count since it was the series that was relaunched out of the conclusion of the original Avengers series?

It should be.

 

[Themanofbat]

Time for an update...

Amazing Spider-Man #679

ASM#1-441, 501-679 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

Fantastic Four #602

Fantastic Four#1-416, 501-587, 600-602 vol.1
Fantastic Four#1-13 vol.2
Fantatic Four#1-71 vol.3
FF #1-12... operates as separate title with issue #13

Avengers #562

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-36
Avengers#1-22 vol.4

Incredible Hulk #543

Incredible Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Incredible Hulk#102-474, 600-635 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Incredible Hulk#1-112 vol.3
Hulk#1-12 vol.4, operates as it's own title onward...
Incredible Hulk #1-4 vol.5

Captain America #535

Captain America#100-454, 600-624 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-50 vol.5
Captain America#1-10 vol.6

DareDevil #521

DareDevil#1-380, 500-512 vol.1
DareDevil#1-119 vol.2
DareDevil#1-9 vol.3

Iron Man #509

Iron Man#1-332, 500-509 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-32 vol.4
Iron Man#1-33 vol.5

Thor #498

Thor#126-502, 600-623 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125)
Thor#1-85 vol.2
Thor#1-12 vol.3

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Ghost Rider #217

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-35 vol.3
GR#1-8 vol.4

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

She-Hulk #134

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-37 vol.4

Moon Knight #146

MK#1-38 vol.1
MK#1-60 vol.2
MK#1-30 vol.3
MK#1-8 vol.4
MK#1-12 vol.5[/i]

Venom #102

Venom: Lethal Protector 6 issues
Venom: Funeral Pyre 3 issues
Venom: The Madness 3 issues
Venom: The Enemy Within 3 issues
Incredible Hulk Vs. Venom one issue
Venom: The Mace 3 issues
Venom: Nights Of Vengeance 4 issues
Venom: Separation Anxiety 4 issues
Venom: Carnage Unleashed 4 issues
Venom: Sinner Takes All 5 issues
Venom: Along Came A Spider 4 issues
Venom: The Hunted 3 issues
Venom: The Hunger 4 issues
Venom: Tooth And Claw 3 issues
Venom: On Trial 3 issues
Venom: License To Kill 3 issues
Venom: Seed Of Darkness one issue
Venom: Sign Of The Boss 2 issues
Venom: Finale 3 issues
Venom 1-18 issues vol.1
Venom Vs Carnage 4 issues
Venom: Dark Origin 5 issues
Venom 1-13 issues vol.2

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

 

[venom892]

Can't believe Marvel missed the boat on a Ghost Rider #200. Not that it would have helped I think.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Or majorly a Venom 100 with how the book is actually doing well. They could have made some money on the vastly over priced special!

 

[Will Nolte]

Like I said on the other thread, I'm not sure we could consider Dark Origin part of the series due to the fact that it is an updated retelling of the origin.

Also Seed of Darkness is a MINUS 1 issue...I don't think Marvel includes any of the -1 issues in the renumbering of their books. Were any of the Spider-Man -1s included?

That being said, issue 17 could be issue 100 so maybe Marvel hasn't missed the boat...

 

[Themanofbat]

I think when Venom#1 came out, Whacker mntions in the letters page that this was the 90th issue of Venom...

 

[runawayboulder]

Marvel should just go back to the official numbers forever.

 

[Ipodman]

I rather they went with the total number all the way... I don't buy the argument that a big number scares new fans away, makes no sense to me.

 

[runawayboulder]

Yeah, I don't know why #1's are so appealing sales-wise. I thought comic fans got over that silly crap after the bubble burst back in the 90's.

 

[Will Nolte]

To me if a comic of a well known character has a high issue number, common sense would dictate that they must be doing something right. Starting over the numbering on ANY Spider-Man book is just plain stupid.

 

[DeGenerate10]

What about doing what DC did and restart all the numbers to 1?

 

[runawayboulder]

To me if a comic of a well known character has a high issue number, common sense would dictate that they must be doing something right. Starting over the numbering on ANY Spider-Man book is just plain stupid.

Back in the day, they didn't care what a book sold, it was still produced. Dazzler's solo book went about 40 issues - 15 more then before they even thought about cancelling due to low sales. Such was the norm back then.

What about doing what DC did and restart all the numbers to 1?

At some point over the past 7-8 years all of the major titles have been restarted at #1. Captain America, Avengers, Thor, Iron Man, Uncanny X-Men. With the exception of the latter, they all went back to original numbering. The difference with DC is that they never really restarted numbering like Marvel had.

 

[Themanofbat]

With Marvel NOW coming soon, methinks it's time for an update...

Amazing Spider-Man #689

ASM#1-441, 501-689 vol.1
ASM#1-59 vol.2

I know there have been two 0.1 issues, but I'm going to regards those as "specials"; hence, they don't count in the numbering...

Fantastic Four #609

Fantastic Four#1-416, 501-587, 600-609 vol.1
Fantastic Four#1-13 vol.2
Fantatic Four#1-71 vol.3
FF #1-12... operates as separate title with issue #13

Avengers #567

Avengers#1-402, 500 to 503 vol.1
Avengers#1-13 vol.2
Avengers#1-85 vol.3
Mighty Avengers #1-36
Avengers#1-27 vol.4

Incredible Hulk #548

Incredible Hulk#1-6 vol.1
Incredible Hulk#102-474, 600-635 vol.2 (Tales to Astonish was renamed Hulk after #101)
Incredible Hulk#1-112 vol.3
Hulk#1-12 vol.4, operates as it's own title onward...
Incredible Hulk #1-9 vol.5

Captain America #540

Captain America#100-454, 600-624 vol.1 (Tales of Suspense was renamed Captain America after #99)
Captain America#1-13 vol.2
Captain America#1-50 vol.3
Captain America#1-32 vol.4
Captain America#1-50 vol.5
Captain America#1-15 vol.6

DareDevil #526

DareDevil#1-380, 500-512 vol.1
DareDevil#1-119 vol.2
DareDevil#1-14 vol.3

Iron Man #514

Iron Man#1-332, 500-514 vol.1
Iron Man#1-13 vol.2
Iron Man#1-89 vol.3
Iron Man#1-32 vol.4
Iron Man#1-33 vol.5

Thor #514

Thor#126-502, 600-623 vol.1 (Journey into Mystery was renamed to Thor after #125, get turned back in JiM at #624)
Thor#1-85 vol.2
Thor#1-12 vol.3
The Mighty Thor#1-16

Spectacular Spider-Man #290

SSM#1-263 vol.1
SSM#1-27 vol.2

Ghost Rider #217

GR#1-81 vol.1
GR#1-93 vol.2
GR#1-35 vol.3
GR#1-8 vol.4

Marvel Team Up #186

MTU#1-150 vol.1
MTU#1-11 vol.2
MTU#1-25 vol.3

Silver Surfer #178

SS#1-18 vol.1
SS#1-146 vol.2
SS#1-14 vol.3

The Defenders #157

The Defenders #1-150 vol.1
The Defenders #1-7 vol.2

She-Hulk #134

SH#1-25 vol.1
SH#1-60 vol.2
SH#1-12 vol.3
SH#1-37 vol.4

Moon Knight #146

MK#1-38 vol.1
MK#1-60 vol.2
MK#1-30 vol.3
MK#1-8 vol.4
MK#1-12 vol.5[/i]

Venom #109

Venom: Lethal Protector 6 issues
Venom: Funeral Pyre 3 issues
Venom: The Madness 3 issues
Venom: The Enemy Within 3 issues
Incredible Hulk Vs. Venom one issue
Venom: The Mace 3 issues
Venom: Nights Of Vengeance 4 issues
Venom: Separation Anxiety 4 issues
Venom: Carnage Unleashed 4 issues
Venom: Sinner Takes All 5 issues
Venom: Along Came A Spider 4 issues
Venom: The Hunted 3 issues
Venom: The Hunger 4 issues
Venom: Tooth And Claw 3 issues
Venom: On Trial 3 issues
Venom: License To Kill 3 issues
Venom: Seed Of Darkness one issue
Venom: Sign Of The Boss 2 issues
Venom: Finale 3 issues
Venom 1-18 issues vol.1
Venom Vs Carnage 4 issues
Venom: Dark Origin 5 issues
Venom 1-20 issues vol.2

Dr. Strange #96

DS#169-182 vol.1 (Strange Tales was renamed Dr. Strange after #168)
DS#1-81 vol.2

 

[hippie_hunter]

I don't think that Mighty Avengers counts in the numbering of the Avengers.

 

[Themanofbat]

Yeah... I've thought about that... I could have placed the New Avengers on that list... it's just when Mighty came out, it was promoted as on official old school Avengers team...

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Themanofbat]

Man... I'd be scared to try an update nowadays...

 

[random_havoc]

Man... I'd be scared to try an update nowadays...

No kidding. It is an absolutely terrible business decision in the long term for them to do this chaos with the numbers imo

 

[Mike Murdock]

This is an oddly timed comment considering they did do Legacy numbering (and still have dual numbering on many of the books), so it's theoretically easier not harder now.

 

[Themanofbat]

This is an oddly timed comment considering they did do Legacy numbering (and still have dual numbering on many of the books), so it's theoretically easier not harder now.

I don't agree with some of the new numbering...

ASM #752 to #756 is the mini series ASM:Renew your Vows #1 to #5...
Where ASM was always a running title, a mini series shouldn't ever count...