The Dark Knight Rises The Reese Enigma

[Marx]

I realize that topics such as this can get quite heated, but let's keep it civil and respectful guys.

 

[Ledlunar]

well considering he is the reason The Joker blew up a hospital caused mass panic among a city, and now there is a man hunt on Batman, It would feel like a bit of a loose end to have him just disappear.... though I would If I was him....

Id hope they follow this up in the third film, or at the very least mention it being cleared up in another viral marketing campaign bridging the films


Still any villain in the next film obviously will want Batman gone and someone who all of Gotham city knows knows who Batman is would make sense to be somehow in the film, Riddler or not... even if just showing up dead

 

[The Batman]

Because most of us actually understand that reese was just an interesting side plot...nothing more...nothing less. He didnt posess some kind of genius...he was just a really good bean counter who found out batman's identity. Because the whole Reese idea simply smacks of cheesy fanwankery. You want some elaborate reason on why most people dont want to see a minor character as a major league batvillain? Are people seriously THAT bored on here?

Oh, i know...lets make ramirez Renee Montoya in the next film! And the Russian can become KGBeast! Lol....I can't wait for the day when/if Riddler is cast, its NOT Reese, and you people will just drop this theory as if it never existed....

 

[ronny]

You're not really giving me a reason though. All you seem to be doing is saying "It's not Reese, you're just bored."
What I'd love to know is why the mere idea seems to annoy you. Why is that? Why is it that when someone mentions the Reese/Riddler link people actually seem to get irritated? True or not, it's just a film. But this whole issue makes people like you come across as very defensive.
Why is that?

 

[Bathead]

Because the Riddler is Edward Nygma, (nee Edward Nashton), a thief with a gimmick, not an accountantwith a grudge named Reese. E. Nygma/Riddler is a perfectly valid character in his own right. There is absolutely no need to have this contrived change of using Reese as an alternative identity. (same goes for the idea of him being a disgruntled FBI agent)
It's unnecessary and gimmicky. You asked for a reason, that's mine, no hostility involved or intended.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

IDK about him as Riddler, mainly because, he already knows the answer to "the biggest question of all", he knows who the batman is...
so, where’s the question, where's the obsession...

To be honest, if they were to turn a character from TDK in to the Riddler
I’d still almost wouldn’t mind, Mike Engel, now there was a man obsessed with Batman
and for him to of had the answer right there front of him, then have it ripped away, then get kidnapped, and who knows what else, by the joker…
that more then enough to drive a man crazy

 

[ronny]

Because the Riddler is Edward Nygma, (nee Edward Nashton), a thief with a gimmick, not an accountantwith a grudge named Reese. E. Nygma/Riddler is a perfectly valid character in his own right. There is absolutely no need to have this contrived change of using Reese as an alternative identity. (same goes for the idea of him being a disgruntled FBI agent)
It's unnecessary and gimmicky. You asked for a reason, that's mine, no hostility involved or intended.

But don't you think it's possible that a man who is driven, psychologically driven, to commit crimes will have many aliases?
I have certainly heard your opinion stated by many people before. Reese is not the Riddler because his name is not Nygma or Nashton.
I don't know, I don't see it as an issue. Because he can have loads of different names he uses. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility, is it?

 

[Bathead]

But don't you think it's possible that a man who is driven, psychologically driven, to commit crimes will have many aliases?
I have certainly heard your opinion stated by many people before. Reese is not the Riddler because his name is not Nygma or Nashton.
I don't know, I don't see it as an issue. Because he can have loads of different names he uses. It's certainly not outside the realm of possibility, is it?

It's not a matter of just a different name, Reese is a totally different person from Ed Nygma, not just in name, but in character and origin. I see no need to make such a drastic change in the character.
If it ain't broke .....
The Riddler is supposed to be an intellectual challenge for the Batman. Reese is hardly that.

 

[GregComicFan]

There was no slight nod. He looked shocked, sure. But there was no moment of understanding or respect.

Wait a second... no one else noticed Bruce giving Reese a slight nod after saving his life... and Reese looking back giving him a look of "okay I won't mess with you anymore"... cause I sure interpreted the scene that way.

 

[Bathead]

Wait a second... no one else noticed Bruce giving Reese a slight nod after saving his life... and Reese looking back giving him a look of "okay I won't mess with you anymore"... cause I sure interpreted the scene that way.

Same here. That is the way I saw that scene as well.
There is no reason for Reese to be Batman's enemy. If anything, Bruce Wayne risking his life for the guy who was out to ruin him, is more likely to invoke loyalty than resentment in Reese. It wouldn't make sense for him to then turn around and become a major Batman enemy.

 

[Eddie Nashton]

Wait a second... no one else noticed Bruce giving Reese a slight nod after saving his life... and Reese looking back giving him a look of "okay I won't mess with you anymore"... cause I sure interpreted the scene that way.

Same here. That is the way I saw that scene as well.
There is no reason for Reese to be Batman's enemy. If anything, Bruce Wayne risking his life for the guy who was out to ruin him, is more likely to invoke loyalty than resentment in Reese. It wouldn't make sense for him to then turn around and become a major Batman enemy.

That's how I saw it as well.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

The Riddler is an arrogant bastard with a massive inferiority complex.
You're telling me that we're not meant to hate him?
How is my point stupid?

Because smug arrogant bastards are absolutely lovable? Go to any Batman chatsite, the people love him.

 

[Motown Marvel]

reese was the most pointless character, and a complete waste. and he's not the riddler, because if/when they were to use the riddler he will be played by a name actor, not some no name dude.

 

[Bathead]

reese was the most pointless character, and a complete waste. and he's not the riddler, because if/when they were to use the riddler he will be played by a name actor, not some no name dude.

Well, I don't agree with that, Reese definitely had a purpose in the story. He was there to show Bruce Wayne/Batman's selflessness in his willingness to risk his own life in order to save the guy who was out to ruin Wayne for monetary gain, reinforcing the concept of Batman as a true self-sacrificing hero, which is one of the major themes of the movie.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Wait a second... no one else noticed Bruce giving Reese a slight nod after saving his life... and Reese looking back giving him a look of "okay I won't mess with you anymore"... cause I sure interpreted the scene that way.

I too, saw it that way.

 

[BlueLightning]

I don't think Mr. Reese would be the Riddler. Nor he will become the Riddler, he was saved by Bruce, he acknowledge this, no reason to come back for revenge. He was just a victim of circunstances. And he was shocked to see the person he was trying to blackmail, the person he was about to expose, save his life.

Now, I support for the Riddler to come in the next film, that thought of "you are suppose to hate the Riddler" sounds awful. I like the Riddler, and many people also does, and is the perfect villian for Nolan to develop.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Well, I don't agree with that, Reese definitely had a purpose in the story. He was there to show Bruce Wayne/Batman's selflessness in his willingness to risk his own life in order to save the guy who was out to ruin Wayne for monetary gain, reinforcing the concept of Batman as a true self-sacrificing hero, which is one of the major themes of the movie.

i think we've caught on by now that batman is a selfless hero. i mean, its an inherent necessity for what he does. no need to create an entirely pointless character in an already cluttered movie to lazily attempt an enforcement of that theme.

 

[BestGirl]

Harto's not a big enough actor to play the Riddler in BB3, and Reese wasn't at all intimidating so I'd rather not see him become a villain.

Reese can't just easily disappear though, so I think he ought to be killed by one of the villains in the next movie. I suppose he could just say he was lying about knowing Batman's identity and then move to California but that feels sloppy to me.

 

[Motown Marvel]

i'd rather they just ignore he happened. he was pointless in the first place. any further inclusion would just continue the pointlessness.

 

[Boom]

If Reese's character was meant to become The Riddler, they would have cast a better known actor. Simple as that.

 

[BestGirl]

i'd rather they just ignore he happened. he was pointless in the first place. any further inclusion would just continue the pointlessness.

I think ignoring him would make him even more pointless. He at least could play a small but important part in the sequel.

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

I think ignoring him would make him even more pointless. He at least could play a small but important part in the sequel.

 

[ronny]

It's not a matter of just a different name, Reese is a totally different person from Ed Nygma, not just in name, but in character and origin. I see no need to make such a drastic change in the character.

Not necessarily. Nashton was originally a crook, a guy who used his superior intelligence to make money.
He took on The Riddler mantle once it became boring. I don't think we ever knew enough about Reese to make a judgement about his "origin".
The Riddler is a master con-artist and deceiver after all.

 

[COMPO]

Riddler's orgin has changed quite a bit he was crook at first, BF he was a disgruntled stalker employee by Bruce and theres also been talks that it all came down to him being abused by his father which I think is a bit too two face, that works for Two Face because it fits with him but with Riddler it just seems like they need an excuse for why he is the way he is when really the riddler is just egotistical

 

[Motown Marvel]

I think ignoring him would make him even more pointless. He at least could play a small but important part in the sequel.

bad idea, if you ask me.