The Resurrection of Ra's Al Ghul(discussion thread)

[Fledermaus]

Any idea which episode? I mostly just really wanna watch that sequence with sound.

http://tviv.org/The_Venture_Bros./I_Know_Why_the_Caged_Bird_Kills

 

[TheCorpulent1]

That's kind of the point of The Joker. At least when Grant writes him. He's crazy in such a way that he has no set personality, motives, or beliefs. He's completely lost in his own head, and everything about his character is subject to the slightest whim on his part. It's what's used to explain why he has, in the past, sometimes been a harmless prankster, sometimes been a thief motivated purely by greed, sometimes been a homicidal maniac motivated by sadism, sometimes been a gangster, sometimes been a serial killer, etc. So, it actually makes perfect sense for him to act completely differently in two different appearances.

Yeah, I like that about the Joker. He doesn't have to make sense because his whole schtick is not making sense. That's why he's a great foil for Batman's uber-analytical personality. Detective work doesn't work too well on the Joker because he has no patterns.

 

[Miss Webb]

Joker = overexposed, overused, and not nearly as interesting as some people think

 

[Rorschach II]

Go to school.

 

[Eros]

Joker = overexposed, overused, and not nearly as interesting as some people think

I kind of agree, he seems to be in a loop process now,hes gotten to the point where he's done everything, and now hes forced to do it all over again.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I think he's fine when he's used as an agent of random chaos. Like that Gotham Central arc, "Soft Targets." The whole arc is about how a sniper appears in Gotham and just picks off random targets with no rhyme or reason, no patterns, nothing to track. No one ever knows where he'll strike next. Turns out it was the Joker and he just thought it'd be fun to shoot people with a high-powered rifle from various rooftops in Gotham. Forcing normal characters to react to that sort of mind-bending insanity makes for good stories.

 

[The Batman]

Bump

 

[WompuM]

I think he's fine when he's used as an agent of random chaos. Like that Gotham Central arc, "Soft Targets." The whole arc is about how a sniper appears in Gotham and just picks off random targets with no rhyme or reason, no patterns, nothing to track. No one ever knows where he'll strike next. Turns out it was the Joker and he just thought it'd be fun to shoot people with a high-powered rifle from various rooftops in Gotham. Forcing normal characters to react to that sort of mind-bending insanity makes for good stories.

Where's Dirty Harry when you need him?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Directing movies.

 

[TheDarkKnight_NL]

So what did you guys think of the first part of the Resurrection story??

 

[SouLeSS]

First part isn't out yet.

 

[taskmaster]

I thought the set up was pretty good, loved the debut of Tony Daniel on Batman.

 

[David Rice]

First part isn't out yet.

Yes, it is.

 

[SouLeSS]

The prelude? That doesn't really count. THat's just more of a "hey, so I guess ras is back, and heres what happened kinda"

 

[DoomJester]

Decent issue, but when I saw that it was a "Prelude" I was a bit upset, I mean, we already had an annual that more or less did that... we had some fighting though, so it was alright. I'm excited.

 

[Ibn]

Are they implying that Damian isn't Bruce's kid but a lab experiment?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Dear God, please let that be true.

 

[Miss Webb]

Are they implying that Damian isn't Bruce's kid but a lab experiment?

Yeah, and Ras reaction to Daimen was interesting. Why the surprise at Bruce being dad? Unless something else is going on. But he seemed pleased later and said Daimen was a 'valuable commodity.' Hmm.

Also, Daimen speaks awfully sophisticated for a kid. I know he's been exposed to harshness and adults, but its like he's a talking parrot sometimes with no true personality. May explain why Talia doesn't really react to him as a real child, I don't know.

Know what I'm thinking? That Daimen's basically a host body composed of Talia/Bruce genetics. Compatible with Ras, and also ties him to Bats. Then they'd ALL be related.

Pervy, baby...t:

 

[PhotoJones]

Is it just me, or does Morrison's Batman suck?

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

that was already hinted, hell not even hinted but shown in one of the issues where damien was introduced.(the issue where bats confronts talia,after damien beat the snot out of tim)(reply to corp and ibn).

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Is it just me, or does Morrison's Batman suck?

It's not just you.

 

[PhotoJones]

It's not just you.

I read the Batman and Son trade at Barnes and Noble the other day and I didn't really like any of it. The idea of a biological son is a bad one, in my opinion. And even then, it was poorly done. The whole thing seemed Silver Age-y in tone but Morrison-esque in subject matter, if that makes sense. And those two don't mesh very well. Detectice Comics is much better.

 

[DoomJester]

Is it just me, or does Morrison's Batman suck?

Suck is such a strong word... it certainly doesn't live up to expectations... I didn't expect Grant Morrison to repeat Arkham Asylum, but I can't even say it is one of my top Batman runs. The fighting was nice, but the reintroduction of Damien (which I'm all for) was weak, I can understand if people don't like him. What was supposed to be a really epic story line with the Black-Case Book (which would've contextualized 666 and the Joker being shot in Grant's first issue) never materialized, so I was dissapointed by that. (I'd really like to know who's fault that was for letting that slip.) Now we are bringing Ra's back and the "Prelude" didn't take us much further than the annual, but it looks like Grant wants to dip into some mysticism (is he practicing on us for Final Crisis? I hope he isn't actually writing these stories with the I-Ching, does he think he's Phillip K Dick? I don't think good stories get written that way...).

So far, my favorite "Batman" run is of course Year One... the most recent would be Hush (say what you want but I liked it!). I thought Grant Morrison's would be amazing but it is just good.

 

[Fledermaus]

Know what I'm thinking? That Daimen's basically a host body composed of Talia/Bruce genetics. Compatible with Ras, and also ties him to Bats. Then they'd ALL be related.

Pervy, baby...t:

Get out of my mind!

But really, I agree completely. That seems to be the direction the story is headed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I read the Batman and Son trade at Barnes and Noble the other day and I didn't really like any of it. The idea of a biological son is a bad one, in my opinion. And even then, it was poorly done. The whole thing seemed Silver Age-y in tone but Morrison-esque in subject matter, if that makes sense. And those two don't mesh very well. Detectice Comics is much better.

Agreed. Hell, I'm actually one of the Bruce/Talia supporters over Bruce/Selina, but I don't want him having a kid with either of them. And yes, everything Morrison's doing with Batman at the moment is very much tinged with Silver Age stylings. I much preferred DC's Modern Age or Bronze Age, I guess you could call it.