Comics The Return Of Eddie Brock

[Dark Spidey]

Yeah. I own all of Venom's classic appearences in Amazing Spider-man. And I think that the way Larsen draws him in this two-part story is just horrible. The exaggerated curley eyes, the protruding jaw, the excess slobber... and if i'm correct this was the start of the elongated tongue too. It's just all too much.

 

[Shockdingo]

About th above pictures posted: The second wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for the rabies level of junk coming outta his mouth....eww

 

[ihateusernames]

I think the teeth Venom has is one of the most important parts... too many he looks stupid, too few he looks weird.

I like how, in the recent years, the Symboite has become it's own being.

 

[Venom Drool]

larsen has the ugliest venom.. hes the guy that ruined him btw.

 

[shogunrua]

Larsen's Venom is'nt the best Venom, he was starting to look very unrealistic (wish endend with looking like some kind of Hulk), the best Venom for me was Mac Farlane's and Bagley's Venom.

I'm looking forward to see how Brock-Venom will be handeld (I hope they will forget this "lethal protector" side of the caracter, because I always tought it brought Venom too much towards the anti-hero and less to the 100& villain side of the caracter, but it's just my own opinion, I understand that people like the anti-hero side of Venom). And as I already said, I hope they will treat him right. Since I saw that thunderbolt issue where Osborn has such a visceral reaction just by hearing (or thinking about) spider-man, I'd like to see the same interaction between Spidey and Venom. He is a great villain in the graphic side of the caracter, i jut hope they make him a great villain in the story apect of the caracter again, as it was int the beginning

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Different strokes. Larsen's my favorite Venom artist, and speaking of over the top? McFarlane couldn't draw a normal person if his life depended on it. His art is horrible, always has been, always will (oh wait, he doesn't draw anymore, too busy playing with his action figures or something. )

YUCK!!!!

COOLNESS!!!

thats not true, Macfarlane's Venom rocks so hard. I even own the book "spider-man vs. venom" which has all of the amazing spider-man fighting venom stories with macfarlane drawing them in the book. I have always loved macfarlanes Venom because he was so badass and well drawn. Todd Macfarlane was really good at drawing monsters and their sizes which is one of the reasons I think macfarlane did a great job on drawing Venom.

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

Damn.. I wrote a message but it didn't post and now it's gone. To make a long post short, I hate Mackie's relaunch so I wasn't reading Spidey during that period, but I like Larsen and love the black costume, so even though I'm sure the story itself was crap I would love to see some scans of that issue (issues?). Why and how did he don the black costume THAT time?

 

[SpideyInATree]

I can't wait for this. Gargan as Venom!? What was Millar thinking!? He killed two characters with one stone.

Bring it!!!

Millar was thinking, "Man, I better do something interesting with the Venom symbiote". Because before Paul Jenkins Hunger story arc from the second volume of Spectacular Spider-Man Venom hadn't had a solid story since the early 90's, man. That is unless you were a fan of the anti-hero Venom who had miniseries after miniseries.

Marvel Knights Spider-Man was quite some time ago. It was before Spider-Man 3 was even a thought from what I believe and if they knew that they were going to put Eddie Brock/Venom into the third film they probably never would have taken the symbiote off of Venom.

If you read the Millar run from the beginning you'd see that it was actually a really solid storyline. I liked that the suit was put up for auction and Fortunato's ***** son got it and then got killed and it bonded with Scorpion.

The only thing Millar did wrong was that he writes the most anti-climatic ending in comics history. I mean in one storyline he had Spidey's most bad ass deadliest villains and nemesis. He had a Sinister TWELVE showdown that lasted two panels. Spider-Man dispatches a Scorpion/Venom combination like it was NOTHING...and then Goblin and Octopus get STRUCK BY LIGHTNING?! The most horrible ending...ever. I don't care how many crappy books are out there. You don't start jerking off a man and then stop when its time to let the juice loose. Damn Millar.

But, yeah, if you didn't think that Brock was getting the Venom suit back I'd definitely call you a new comic fan or naive. Because we've already got our Sandman stories coming out. We've already got Spider-Man back in his black costume. Only a matter of time before Eddie Brock pops back up looking for his suit. I just hope they don't write a really crappy story/explanation around it. If it's crappy I'll have to stab my stuffed animals to death.

 

[Dark Spidey]

But, yeah, if you didn't think that Brock was getting the Venom suit back I'd definitely call you a new comic fan or naive. Because we've already got our Sandman stories coming out. We've already got Spider-Man back in his black costume. Only a matter of time before Eddie Brock pops back up looking for his suit. I just hope they don't write a really crappy story/explanation around it. If it's crappy I'll have to stab my stuffed animals to death.

I'm not a new comic fan and i'm not naive. I merely choose not to make such assumptions. Just because some things in the Spidey comics are changed to mirror what's going on in the movies, doesn't mean that everything will!

Otherwise, by your logic, later this year we should be expecting Gwen Stacy to return from the dead too as to create a love triangle between her, Pete and MJ.

 

[Kevin]

Please, don't say that.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I'm not a new comic fan and i'm not naive. I merely choose not to make such assumptions. Just because some things in the Spidey comics are changed to mirror what's going on in the movies, doesn't mean that everything will!

Otherwise, by your logic, later this year we should be expecting Gwen Stacy to return from the dead too as to create a love triangle between her, Pete and MJ.

Well, since you're not a new comic fan you'd know that they could bring back Gwen Stacy. Over in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man there is an alternate evil Uncle Ben running around.

And lets not forget that somewhere out there in Spider-Man limbo there is a Gwen Stacy clone. So, yes, technically they can bring Gwen Stacy back.

And ALSO Jeph Loeb/J. Scott Campbell had an ongoing Spider-Man book scheduled sometime this year and it had a lot to do with past Spidey stories, like those stories with Gwen Stacy.

So, yeah, she can come back and trust me she probably will come back in some way. Whether it be through flashbacks or what have you...it's in the movie it's gonna get covered in the comic. It happened in the first Spider-Man film. It happened in the second film. And it's gonna happen here. Don't...be...naive. If they can bring back Bucky and Uncle Ben. They can pretty much do whatever they want.

Never say never.

 

[Dark Spidey]

Well, since you're not a new comic fan you'd know that they could bring back Gwen Stacy. Over in Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man there is an alternate evil Uncle Ben running around.

And lets not forget that somewhere out there in Spider-Man limbo there is a Gwen Stacy clone. So, yes, technically they can bring Gwen Stacy back.

And ALSO Jeph Loeb/J. Scott Campbell had an ongoing Spider-Man book scheduled sometime this year and it had a lot to do with past Spidey stories, like those stories with Gwen Stacy.

So, yeah, she can come back and trust me she probably will come back in some way. Whether it be through flashbacks or what have you...it's in the movie it's gonna get covered in the comic. It happened in the first Spider-Man film. It happened in the second film. And it's gonna happen here. Don't...be...naive. If they can bring back Bucky and Uncle Ben. They can pretty much do whatever they want.

Never say never.

Okay, I am being naive.

 

[Won '08]

Id just like to say...Gargan having the symbiote and not using it to form a scorpion type suit was ridiculous. Honestly. If they wanted to give him the symbiote. he shouldnt have looked anything like Venom. He should've been Scorpion....with a new "suit". That is all. But they ruined it. Made him another Spider-Man wannabe. Weak.

 

[Shockdingo]

I was pretty surprised that he didn't have a tail of some sort when he first got that thing. :\

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

Otherwise, by your logic, later this year we should be expecting Gwen Stacy to return from the dead too as to create a love triangle between her, Pete and MJ.

sssshhhh!!! don't give marvel any ideas!!!!!

 

[USMC]

Id just like to say...Gargan having the symbiote and not using it to form a scorpion type suit was ridiculous. Honestly. If they wanted to give him the symbiote. he shouldnt have looked anything like Venom. He should've been Scorpion....with a new "suit". That is all. But they ruined it. Made him another Spider-Man wannabe. Weak.

Nah... Scorpion isn't a real scorpion, he didn't even have scorpion-like powers. he had a suit that made him strong, that's it. The symbiote actually took on characteristics of Spider-Man's physiology and appearance. It "loves/hates" Peter. The thing set of Spidey's spider-sense the very first time, then adapted to overcome it. I think the suit evolved from the thing it was on that planet and bonded with Peter enough to always be a darker side of Spider-Man. Even when it bonded with Brock (a normal human, not a super-villain), it maintained the form and function it evolved from after bonding with Peter... the only difference is that it became more evil, more monsterous.

Anyhow, to me, it wouldn't make any sense at all to suddenly become "Scorpion-Like". Gargan doesn't control the suit, you can bank on that.

 

[Won '08]

Thats the thing. The Suit controls itself and I can accept that as being why it doesn't look how subsequent owners want it to look.

Though, I still believe Gargan should've had his own personal characteristics rather than that of Venom itself.

Venom is a very specific creation.

1 part Brock

1 part Symbiote.

Mix them and you get an entirely different personality. Eddie explained this a long time ago.

 

[USMC]

Thats the thing. The Suit controls itself and I can accept that as being why it doesn't look how subsequent owners want it to look.

Though, I still believe Gargan should've had his own personal characteristics rather than that of Venom itself.

Venom is a very specific creation.

1 part Brock

1 part Symbiote.

Mix them and you get an entirely different personality. Eddie explained this a long time ago.

Doesn't the Gargan-Venom have an entirely different personality than Brock-Venom? And doesn't he also have different visual characteristics than Brock-Venom?

I just don't see Brock or Gargan as the reasons why Venom looks/is the way he is, regardless of the host. I think Peter Parker is the reason the suit is the way it is now. That whole Venom series a few years back was a cloned piece of the original symbiote and it didn't even have a host (until it bonded with Robertson AND Wolverine, both of who still looked like the original Venom). Whatever you may think of that story, it's still canon, and only serves to justify that having Gargan become some kind of Scorpion-Like symbiote would not have made any sense.

The suit will always have characteristics of an evil/****ed up Spider-Man simply because he was the first host.

 

[The Lizard]

Nah... Scorpion isn't a real scorpion, he didn't even have scorpion-like powers. he had a suit that made him strong, that's it. .

Which is what I always thought until I saw the Marvel Knights Spider-Man story arc where Gargan is somehow able to climb up the outside of skyscrapers and remain strong without wearing his Scorpion suit. Gargan did originally undergo all kinds of experimental treatments on his body when he became the Scorpion, but I always thought it was like 90% the suit.

I'm wondering why he got rid of the Scorpion suit at all instead of combining with the symbiote with the suit on.

 

[USMC]

Which is what I always thought until I saw the Marvel Knights Spider-Man story arc where Gargan is somehow able to climb up the outside of skyscrapers and remain strong without wearing his Scorpion suit. Gargan did originally undergo all kinds of experimental treatments on his body when he became the Scorpion, but I always thought it was like 90% the suit.

I'm wondering why he got rid of the Scorpion suit at all instead of combining with the symbiote with the suit on.

Huh, I did, too. But still, he had super-strength, but it's not like he had a big stinger sticking out of his ass...

 

[USMC]

Just read this on Wikipedia, but not sure how accurate it is...

"In recent appearances the symbiote has a scorpion-like tail attached to it, effectively a fifth limb with the ability to shoot webbing as well as packing a deadly venom."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_Gargan

so there ya go, Won '08.

 

[Shockdingo]

Post powers, have they ever shown Scorpion without the suit? I think they did briefly in the 90's toon. (I always thought it wasn't able to be removed, or has that been retconned?)

 

[Mr Jide]

The only thing Millar did wrong was that he writes the most anti-climatic ending in comics history. I mean in one storyline he had Spidey's most bad ass deadliest villains and nemesis. He had a Sinister TWELVE showdown that lasted two panels. Spider-Man dispatches a Scorpion/Venom combination like it was NOTHING...and then Goblin and Octopus get STRUCK BY LIGHTNING?! The most horrible ending...ever. I don't care how many crappy books are out there. You don't start jerking off a man and then stop when its time to let the juice loose. Damn Millar.

Aand thats the poetic truth.
I remember when we were seeing previews pop up here and we were all pumped to see the showdown and when we got it was like,

 

[Mr Jide]

Id just like to say...Gargan having the symbiote and not using it to form a scorpion type suit was ridiculous. Honestly. If they wanted to give him the symbiote. he shouldnt have looked anything like Venom. He should've been Scorpion....with a new "suit". That is all. But they ruined it. Made him another Spider-Man wannabe. Weak.

Agreed! Due to the power "upgrade" spidey underwent I'm not sure if he's physically superior than scorpion but at the time the symbiot 1st bonded with pete, pete was definately phsically inferior to Gargan. So, I'm thinking, the symbiot who should at least bare some sort of resemblance to its host anyway should have had no qualms showing physical features of scorpion but instead its still doubling spidey Talk about the writers being so damn lazy.

 

[ihateusernames]

Gargan does have the tail, didn't anyone read Beyond?
He killed that fake Spider-man using the tail, stabbed him right through the chest when he tried to jump over him or somthing.