The Rothman Letters Thread

[Lightning Strykez!]

NOTE TO MODS: I wasn’t sure whether to put this in the sequels forum or here. Feel free to move it if you feel it necessary.

This is fine.

And follow his suggestion people: Keep the bashing out of here and let's focus on the topic at hand.

Thanks.

 

[Majik1387]

Oh, I wasn't bashing just so everyone knows.

 

[JP]

I'm gonna post what I said in the xverse campaign...

This franchise simply HAS to continue!! There are plenty more stories to tell! I think with an X4 you should have Storm as the headmistress of the school and maybe focus more on the younger X-Men - Iceman, Rogue(it's time Rogue got the powers she had in the comics! Maybe have her accidentally kill a mutant with Superstrength and flight abilities!)Colossus, Kitty, Jubilee. Angel needs to be more confident and involved in the story too - have him as part of action scenes not just shots of him flying for the sake of it.

This might be a controversial move but I also think Wolverine should be LEFT OUT of the next movie. He got far too much screentime in the previous 3 movies! A new character like Gambit should be introduced in his place! I think you'd have to carry on Magneto's arc, as we saw at the end of X3, with his powers redevelopping. I think however you should introduce a new enemy for the X-Men. Apocalypse and the four horsemen could be translated well to screen. Mr. Sinister could also be introduced.

Cyclops needs to be brought back somehow. The fact that we never saw him actually die in X3 could suggest something else happened. You could have Mr. Sinister conduct experiments on him. Maybe you could introduce Emma Frost and exploit her comicbook relationship with him. Either way both CYCLOPS and STORM should get more character development - look into their ORIGINS. In the comics they're 2 strong leaders - this should be reflected in the movies too!

Beast could maybe be included in X4. He could uncover Trasks plans for Sentinels in response to the growing enemy(Sinister/Apocalypse) threat. Sentinels should definitely feature in the movie. Audiences should also see the FULL sentinel, NOT an outline of one in the shadows. They could be used as an effective way of showcasing the various mutants powers - Cyclops especially! I think Nightcrawler(with Cumming returning!) should also feature, maybe even as a cameo - it'd be a nice nod to continuity.

TIME and MONEY need to be invested in X4!! X3 may have done very well with the viewing public but has alienated core comic fans who made the movies a success in the first place. This is potentially Fox's most profitable franchise and they need to treat it with care. X-Men has too big a fanbase for the franchise to end now. Spinoffs are the WRONG way to go - X-Men has never been about one person, there's a core team/group philosophy behind it!!

Exactly. That's why I know that it can continue without the likes of Jean, Xavier, or even Wolverine. If a good writter is on board, then I don't see why it can't be done, or why it would be ruined. Personally, I think the only thing that could potentially ruin X4 is if they try and bring back everyone.

I don't see how it would be any less 'X-Men" as someone has said. Look at who is left. It still looks pretty damn X-Men to me. Storm, Beast, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus, Wolverine, Rogue, Angel. Not to mention a possibility of Gambit and Emma.

I personally want to see Storm actually feel like Storm. I want to see Colossus with an actual role. I want to see Beast and Angel further developed. And I want to see what happens to Rogue now that she is normal.

 

[Matt.S99]

rogue wont be normal for long Imo

 

[Storm22]

Rogue HAS to gain her comic powers somehow. There's limits as to what she can do with her current powers and they've been explored enough in the 3 movies. I think the best way to go is have her accidentally hold on to someone for too long. Have some random mutant, with flight and strength abilities attack Rogue and maybe have him make contact with her skin for too long and she can't stop him so she unwillingly gains his powers.

 

[BMM]

Rogue HAS to gain her comic powers somehow. There's limits as to what she can do with her current powers and they've been explored enough in the 3 movies. I think the best way to go is have her accidentally hold on to someone for too long. Have some random mutant, with flight and strength abilities attack Rogue and maybe have him make contact with her skin for too long and she can't stop him so she unwillingly gains his powers.

Blah . . . if they bother undoing the cure, Rogue might as well be in physical contact with someone when it wares off . . .

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I think it's too much to have her both uncured and superpowerful in the same movie. There's lots more characters to develop, and doing this to her without making it cheap and corny would require time. Where would be her emotions, if she kills the person she absorbed? There would be too many outcomes, so it would rather look cheap if she just said "okay, i'm super now, sugah, let's go".

 

[Matt.S99]

in x4 my idea would be not to make her an 'x-men' since she is gonna get her powers back,well she can fight with the x men but not get her flying abilities and other things yet

 

[Goddessreicho]

I really wish X3 was all about the government conspiracies about the cure. We could have seen how the cure effected some people directly.

Peter could have been thinking about sending it back home to his sister who had powers out of control.

Rogue could have contemplated it, and been at odd with Storm.

And it should have been Storm who got cured by accident, sending her world upside. (Had it happened early in the movie, the attitude change and bchdom would have been warrented.)

At the end we could have seen Jean and Cyclops thinking about the cure too. Poor Cyke who hasn't been able to see in color since puberty, or Jean who can see DANGER ahead...

I mean common, combining two plots in the movies didn't work before, why did they do it again? Hmm...maybe I should actually put that in a letter.

 

[Theweepeople]

Exactly. That's why I know that it can continue without the likes of Jean, Xavier, or even Wolverine. If a good writter is on board, then I don't see why it can't be done, or why it would be ruined.

Considering the silliness of X3's storyline I think all of the X-Men who were killed or lost their powers could be in a sequel. Xavier's death was reversed after the credits. Since Jean has the same telepathy powers she could have transferred her mind into a female character's body before she died. We don't see Scott die so he can be written back into the script. Magneto appears to be regaining his powers at the end so the effects of the cure may wear off for Rogue and Mystique.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I mean common, combining two plots in the movies didn't work before, why did they do it again? Hmm...maybe I should actually put that in a letter.

Cause the cure thingy wasn't 'EPIC ROXXOR!!!' enough. t:

But yeah, I'm with ya, sometimes less is more, eh.

 

[ThanosOfTitans]

maybe the next film will solely focus on the rise of apocalypese...but his actions will lead to the evolution of other subplots...for instance


-Apocalypse restores mystique and rogue's powers.
-Cyclops isn't dead. Jean never killed him..she brutally wounded him and he was captured by Apocalypse.
-Mr. Sinister appears as Apocalypse's genetic assistanct
- Rogues is given her comicbook powers and serves Apocalypse to help capture Angel (later turned into Arch-Angel) and the other horsemen
- X-men find out professor isn't dead....
-

and some other stuff...i can't really think of how to continue and end things. but those would be some cool elements to incorpoarate into the movie

 

[Angamb]

I think while more epic is the plot, more difficult will be to get a great film. So yes, less is more. I want a film more like X1, with that tone, taking time to tell the story, the characters relationships... but with the neccesary action, of course. I think at the end, they could bring the sentinels, to have the spectacle of the x-men, like in the comics. So a good final battle like that would be nice, but no so many action during the whole film, that would ruin the film. The x-menfilms needs now more drama, more character development than action. So this should be the way to make things.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Rogue HAS to gain her comic powers somehow. There's limits as to what she can do with her current powers and they've been explored enough in the 3 movies. I think the best way to go is have her accidentally hold on to someone for too long. Have some random mutant, with flight and strength abilities attack Rogue and maybe have him make contact with her skin for too long and she can't stop him so she unwillingly gains his powers.

Rogue will not be back for X4.

I admit this with the heaviest heart, being the unrequieted love slave of Anna Paquin. But the fact is, they ended her arc (and I say this in the loosest of terms; they actually terminated any arc she had).

Same with Cyclops; he will not be back.

Yeah, "scheduling issues" have been cited in both cases, but I know in my heart that's not even the tip of the iceberg. Bryan Singer had Kevin Spacey for (I don't remember the exact timeframe) a very brief amount of time, yet his Lex is very prominent in the film.

Both Rogue and Cyclops were clearly and simply deemed not important enough for X3, despite being (logically) the two most important characters linked to the film's themes - the cure and Phoenix, respectively.

Thus, logic dictates that if these two characters weren't considered important enough for the storylines they could've served the greatest in, it's highly doubtful they'll feature prominently (or at all) in any sequels.

Plus, from a simply creative perspective, bringing back Rogue (repowering her) and Cyclops (resurrecting him) is sloppy retconning. If Fox wants
X-Men: The Last Stand to have any historical and artistic relevance (I'm laughing as I type this, but I'm trying to remain objective) they cannot undo in X4 what they did in X3. It's public admission of "we screwed up!" and leaves the audience wondering "if things just revert back to normal, why did I bother even watching X3?" No, they've dug their graves. They have to move on (I wish they wouldn't, but they should).

 

[flavio_lebeau]

There is still Jean's death, Xavier's death, Magneto's curing (which was kind of retconned in the very same movie), Mistyque's curing, and lots else to "stay". They do not need to bring back everyone. But, as one spoof of the movie said once, when Logan asks Jean about Cyclops, she says:
"Don't worry, I killed him off screen in a comic book movie. He'll be just fine."

The fact that Rogue counteracts the cure doesn't mean that everyone else has to be uncured. The nature of her powers allow a very acceptable reason for her to be uncured, as I explained numerous times in this thread.They may want to not show Magneto as a villain anymore, so we could forget the last scene. And IMO, Xavier must stay dead. A twin brother who grew up in a hopital bed, with no brain function, that is too much to anyone.

And, we must also count that Rogue's cure was controversial even among the very own crew of the movie. All the producers, writers, everyone was against this, the only one supporting the idea was Brett Ratner, as he himself said. And so he went on and did it on the last minute. (he had rcorded both the taking and non-taking versions, to decide later, because he couldn't make his mind) In the commentaries of the DVD, Lauren says she's not really happy with Rogue's end.

One more thing. While Marsden had trouble with FOX and we do know why he has so little screen time, the problems with Anna Paquin never went on more than her scheduling. We never got the "parameters" excuse they gave for Marsden when it came for Rogue. It was just bad writting, since Anna maintains a good relationship with the guys from FOX.

I believe that Rogue has a real, true chance of coming back. Marsden? I don't know, that will be harder, but I have hope about him too, against all odds. But thse two should be the only ones coming back. Professor, Magneto, Mystique and Jean have been greatly developed already. But Cyke and Rogue have always gotten the short end of the stick. They must get some justice in an eventual X4.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

oops I thought this was the Official Rogue thread.

 

[britrogue]

I'm really not interested in any X-Men film that won't have Rogue in it. Rogue is the reason I got into the X-Men.

 

[Wicked]

Ditto. :/

 

[flavio_lebeau]

tritto. Maybe I'd watch to see if finally I would get a closer Storm to the one I always wanted, but that's it. I'd probably watch it on second week. No Cyke, no Rogue, no Gambit, and a bad Storm?

 

[La_She-Beast]

Sorry, but why do so many people want Apocalypse? He's just another ultra-powerful villain who wants to conquer the world

 

[flavio_lebeau]

I don't want Apocalypse Go Sinister! Go Sentinels!

 

[La_She-Beast]

^EEEExactly

 

[WorthyStevens]

Sorry, but why do so many people want Apocalypse? He's just another ultra-powerful villain who wants to conquer the world

Archangel.

 

[Matt.S99]

no point for him,we didnt even really get angel yet

 

[WorthyStevens]

Not for the next movie though. In X5 or X6 (if they were to happen), it could work.