The Runaways Thread

[The Cajun]

man-****e

I agree.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Whoa, that'd be Karolina for me.

Molly

 

[Shifty]

I read Vol.1's 1st digest over the weekend, found out there was only 12 more issues but relieved to hear that it came back and Marvel is keeping it and helping it out with Free Comic Book day and the Civil War mini. Can't wait to catch up!

 

[SLVRSR4]

Wow...Norton's art is so pretty. I hate to say it, but, Alphona who?

I cried when i think it was 6 and 7 was done by some other artist not really but it was upsetting Take the staff from that tramp! Hated her since she knocked out spidey! I didn't like gert either but.. she was pointless i admit it.

 

[Specter313]

For those wondering, the YA/Runaways CW crossover was #20 on July's top 100 selling list. I really hope this boosts Runaways sales, because issue 18 was only #92.

 

[The Cajun]

For those wondering, the YA/Runaways CW crossover was #20 on July's top 100 selling list. I really hope this boosts Runaways sales, because issue 18 was only #92.

Only at #92? I didn't know the Runaways sales were still so bad!

Maybe if they changed their name to 'The Wolverine Gang' it would boost sales?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Just curious...if Chase was the one who seemed to kiss different girls, would he be a "man-****e"? Or would we all be bragging about how "pimp" he is like Batman and Nightwing?

From me? It'd probably be worse.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Only at #92? I didn't know the Runaways sales were still so bad!

Maybe if they changed their name to 'The Wolverine Gang' it would boost sales?

No, it would make me kill people. Especially those who bought it. And that would hurt sales.

 

[SLVRSR4]

This latest issue seemed really short Other than that Xavin needs to die

 

[Dread]

I only asked the question about Chase because sometimes I see a bit of the "double standard" that occurs in real life to women come up when it happens in comic books. Y'know, men can sleep around, and it's macho cool, and women who do that are instantly "irredeamable ****es" without any justification. Plus, most men have a "madonna/****e" complex about women anyway, Frank Miller is a good example of that from a lot of his work. But enough psychobabble.

Reposting my review of the most recent issue:

RUNAWAYS #19: As usual, I save the best for last when this book comes out, and as usual it doesn't disappoint. Norton comes on for a 3 issue stint for Alphona, and while Alphona is creditted as the series' co-creator, I honestly like Norton's art a lot more. He manages to draw teenagers, machines, and big monsters all well while having it all tie together; sometimes Alphona wasn't his best when drawing monsters or other superheroes (he drew the skinniest Iron Man in recent memory). I liked Norton's art in GRAVITY so I'm glad to see him here. At least we'll get good fill-in art before Alphona returns. There is a mild continuity quibble, but that's not Vaughan's fault; this issue doesn't tie in well with YA/RUNAWAYS at all.

Spoiler

Chase has outright run away from the team to strike out on his own master plan, and it's not at all involved with CW. That's fine to me as I was getting CW overload, and I guess Marvel doesn't want to confuse the digest audience, whose sales are what is keeping this book afloat (RUNAWAYS sells at the Bottom of the Top 100 and would have been canned by now if not for good digest sales). It's not that big a deal but can be a bit awkward if you think about it too much. The CW mini must take place at some time later when Chase inevitably returns, but that may not be a sure thing for all we know. Oh, well. The team is left reacting to the death of Gert in their own ways, from Nico turning to the arms of Victor (as she usually does, turning to empty lust when confused emotionally, like a lot of teenage girls that fans NEVER dated, otherwise they wouldn't be lambasting Nico as a "****e" while countless male heroes do the same for less honest reasons), to Molly talking to the Leapfrog's computer, to Karolina explaining Earth notions of mourning to Xavin. Speaking of Xavin, people gave Zeb Wells hell when he wasn't in "female" form 24/7 in that book, but lookie here, he takes on male form quite a lot in this book, too, which is all BKV. Xavin's real form IS male, he simply takes on female form to please his love, Karolina and to display emotion to her. The detective from Volume One returns and hands an old antique shop owner a mystical item that turns him into a rather generic "I EXIST TO GET BEATEN"-esque monster to pull the team out of their doldrums to fight evil. Meanwhile, Chase tracks down Lotus of the New Pride to put her to work for his new plan, which going by the title and flashbacks may or may not be an attempt to "raise" Gert from the dead. As death has been starved off on Marvel's Earth many times by other heroes, Chase certainly has a right to try. I can definately see more of his "dark side" that he mentioned before coming out, as when he was all but scary in this short interlude (I actually thought the girl was getting stabbed until the last panel).

The cover is also striking as usual, RUNAWAYS has always had a series of some great covers. I don't mind RUNAWAYS being seperate from CW because the mini gives fans more "closeness" if they want it, and the title is BKV's baby and they don't always interact well with others. The RUNAWAYS/X-MEN one shot was a little silly, for instance, even at 10 pages. The title is good enough for BKV to remain unmolested so he can go about his merry business, much like Whedon at ASTONISHING does, and that's fine. In fact, that's part of why I enjoy it, besides the fact that it's one of Marvel's best titles that deserves to sell better. Sadly, it's not, despite a FREE COMIC BOOK DAY promotion and a CW title. Grrr.

I'm glad that YA/RUNAWAYS #1 sold in the Top 20, although that is about where the YA title itself sold (in the Top 20-35) and that book is on haitus until early next year, so this title fills that YA void. To give credit, Marvel has tried to draw interest in RUNAWAYS, what with hardcover releases, a FREE COMIC BOOK DAY promotiom and now a CW series, even one that may not tie in well with the core book. Hopefully next month sees some improvement in sales. The book seems to be holding steady at around 22,000 - 25,000 readers a month for the longest time, even with issues that guest starred Spider-Man or Wolverine.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I only asked the question about Chase because sometimes I see a bit of the "double standard" that occurs in real life to women come up when it happens in comic books. Y'know, men can sleep around, and it's macho cool, and women who do that are instantly "irredeamable ****es" without any justification. Plus, most men have a "madonna/****e" complex about women anyway, Frank Miller is a good example of that from a lot of his work. But enough psychobabble.

I totally agree. Many guys wouldn't want to sleep with a girl who's slept around and would debase them with namecalling. Yet they seem to idolize men who sleep around quite a bit, and even compete that way in some cases.

 

[Dread]

I totally agree. Many guys wouldn't want to sleep with a girl who's slept around and would debase them with namecalling. Yet they seem to idolize men who sleep around quite a bit, and even compete that way in some cases.

Yeah, I mean, Hawkeye's slept with half the female Avengers (or bragged about it), and Tony Stark's had his moments, too (including horning in on Hank "Wife Beater" Pym's squeeze, Jan, without telling Hank). And then you have Nightwing over at DC. And you'll have guys who'll call that "man-****ing" too, but there's no male equalivent to the words "****e" or "****" for a reason. It's a bias. I'm not advocating being promiscious, just being equal. Girls like Nico who rush into the arms of a guy for emotional support during tough times aren't rare, especially teenage ones. Besides, if anything, Victor's the only one she's maybe slept with. She only kissed Chase, and same with that vampire guy. If you called a girl "trampy" just for kissing a few different guys months apart, then damn, every girl in a club is a tramp. I mean Chase was seeing Gert and it was unethical, but that wasn't ignored so it was fine. It was written well. Besides, the other girls were "coupling".

I mean, to be honest, nearly every team that remains in operation long enough has some lovers "swap partners" after a while if they last long enough. Even Alicia Masters once dated and married Johnny after Ben left her, although all that was retconned away as a Skrull imposter.

 

[Specter313]

Dread, for you continuity quibble, the Civil War tie-in with Young Avengers has been officially said to take place after this arc.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that kind of takes the wind out of the sails, doesn't it? Now we know that Chase and Old Lace end up back with the Runaways and everything is copacetic again.

 

[Lady Stormcrow]

This latest issue seemed really short Other than that Xavin needs to die

I think Xavin is great! he..she..it seems to really care for Karolina, and their relationship has been a good read so far.

 

[The Cajun]

I agree that this issue seemed to be a bit rushed. I mean the whole Nico/Victor scene was really dissapointing. Kinda just threw us into the scene at a weird moment and didn't add much. Hopefully it will be revisted in later issues so it doesn't end up being completley pointless.

I loved the scene between Molly and the Leapfrog. Great piece of writing from BKV.

I'm not a fan of Xavin. Then again I have never liked Karolina that much either.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

any one else think Xavin needs to stop changing into a guy.. ? why not just perminatly stay a girl?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

Yeah, I mean, Hawkeye's slept with half the female Avengers (or bragged about it), and Tony Stark's had his moments, too (including horning in on Hank "Wife Beater" Pym's squeeze, Jan, without telling Hank). And then you have Nightwing over at DC. And you'll have guys who'll call that "man-****ing" too, but there's no male equalivent to the words "****e" or "****" for a reason. It's a bias. I'm not advocating being promiscious, just being equal. Girls like Nico who rush into the arms of a guy for emotional support during tough times aren't rare, especially teenage ones. Besides, if anything, Victor's the only one she's maybe slept with. She only kissed Chase, and same with that vampire guy. If you called a girl "trampy" just for kissing a few different guys months apart, then damn, every girl in a club is a tramp. I mean Chase was seeing Gert and it was unethical, but that wasn't ignored so it was fine. It was written well. Besides, the other girls were "coupling".

Unfortunately (and I don't mean because it's you, though I could see it being misconstrued as such), I agree. The guys get off scott free all the time with the fans, and the girls get all the names. It COULD be because most comic fans are male. And you're right, the vast majority of people who even care about how many people their potential mate has slept with are male. Most females either find it as something they're uncomfortable with, or don't care at all about. Men usually DO care, and have been known fairly often to refuse even dating a girl for it. Not here, but that's because I'm in Europe, and we have little to no personal virtue in that department.

Though, uh, Nico sleeping with Victor simply because she was grieving over Gert could be a symptom of someone who uses sex to forget about the struggles of life, which would make her sex drive in the higher up levels. Especially how she's very willing to make physical contact. I wouldn't say she's a **** in "technical" terms, but I'd definitely say she carries the behaviour for one.

I mean, to be honest, nearly every team that remains in operation long enough has some lovers "swap partners" after a while if they last long enough. Even Alicia Masters once dated and married Johnny after Ben left her, although all that was retconned away as a Skrull imposter.

Don't forget she was seeing the Surfer. Though Ben was kind of rebuffing her. But then Ben was showing how much of a dog he was and was trying to instigate cheating on her current boyfriend. And don't tell me that Arlo just happened to be the one he chose to go overseas to fix that thing simply and only because he was the best at what he did.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think Xavin is great! he..she..it seems to really care for Karolina, and their relationship has been a good read so far.

Actually, it seems that Xavin likes Karolina a lot, but not SO much that Xavin totally cares for her, seeing how Xavin constantly says things that upset her, despite her constantly telling Xavin not to say those things. Most people tend to FIX that at least a little bit. Though Xavin IS a Skrull, and that might explain hir being an ass.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I agree that this issue seemed to be a bit rushed. I mean the whole Nico/Victor scene was really dissapointing. Kinda just threw us into the scene at a weird moment and didn't add much. Hopefully it will be revisted in later issues so it doesn't end up being completley pointless.

I loved the scene between Molly and the Leapfrog. Great piece of writing from BKV.

I'm not a fan of Xavin. Then again I have never liked Karolina that much either.

Leapfrog rocks, almost as much as Karolina.

 

[The Cajun]

Though, uh, Nico sleeping with Victor simply because she was grieving over Gert could be a symptom of someone who uses sex to forget about the struggles of life, which would make her sex drive in the higher up levels.

But did they actually have sex? Could have just been a bit of a slap and a tickle. My main complaint with that scene is that it wasn't made clear just how far the two of them went. Which does have an effect on how we are supposed to view the scene.

Maybe BKV just hasn't decided where he wants to go with that idea so he left it open to interpritation.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

It looked to me like they woke up with each other. Runaways is kind of a cynical book by nature, so I'm inclined to believe that they did indeed do the... uh, deed.

 

[JackBauer]

well, they could've just slept together, but not necessarily had sex. maybe they just needed someone close by, to feel safe and all that crap. I'd prefer that a lot more.

on another note, Boston Public rules/ruled, Corp!

 

[spideyboy_1111]

my question is.. even though he has feelings and has "flesh" does every thing else work? lol i mean everything..... and i know its tmi but does he even have fluids?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Not according to Young Avengers/Runaways. My guess is that that was just the artist taking liberties, though. The Vision had synthetic fluids in place of blood and stuff. I'm not saying the Vision or Vic are gonna be impregnating anyone anytime soon, but they're probably good to go for the actual act.

well, they could've just slept together, but not necessarily had sex. maybe they just needed someone close by, to feel safe and all that crap. I'd prefer that a lot more.

on another note, Boston Public rules/ruled, Corp!

Yeah, it really does.

As for Nico and Vic just sleeping, I suppose it's possible but that seems very naive to me.