The Runaways Thread

[spideyboy_1111]

the runaways were zombified in the new zombie vs evil dead ish?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Either way, I'd still like to see how they outran what was obviously going to be a totally surrounded situation.

Exactly. I'm not doing Whedon or Vaughan's job for them and make up an ending to that scene. The timing/pacing of the last arc - YA/Runaways crossover - the last issue was done in a confusing manner.

 

[Specter313]

o.. well didnt know that.. but either way.. with the way chase was acting.. just makes more sense... plus helps feel that gap between ironman showing up and then magically there in kansas.. then nyc without talking anything about ironman or how they got away

With the way Chase was acting, it makes more sense with the way the writers have it set up. He was still upset over Gert's death in the crossover, which was why he was such a jerk toward Molly. After the Live Fast arc, he was much better, so it would make no sense for him to act like such an ass at that time. And again, Vic says right at the beginning of the Live Fast arc that he's still repairing from being shot apart in the crossover. And when the heck were they ever in Kansas? In the Saga? Because my store never got that in and they've never been in Kansas anytime else.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

With the way Chase was acting, it makes more sense with the way the writers have it set up. He was still upset over Gert's death in the crossover, which was why he was such a jerk toward Molly. After the Live Fast arc, he was much better, so it would make no sense for him to act like such an ass at that time. And again, Vic says right at the beginning of the Live Fast arc that he's still repairing from being shot apart in the crossover. And when the heck were they ever in Kansas? In the Saga? Because my store never got that in and they've never been in Kansas anytime else.

ya, they landed right outside the kansas border... heading east, where they found molly's diary wich recapped

 

[Zoken]

the runaways were zombified in the new zombie vs evil dead ish?

Well, you didn't see them get zombified, but yeah. you saw them feasting upon poor Old Lace. and you saw, what I think, was the back of Molly as they were getting ready to eat the Punisher.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

post pics!

 

[Zoken]

no scanner. but you see them doing it for three panels. in one of the panels you see the Blob run by with a group of Zombies in pursuit.

sadly, or maybe happily, we don't get a clear shot of any of the Zombified runaways.

 

[BrianWilly]

Exactly. I'm not doing Whedon or Vaughan's job for them and make up an ending to that scene. The timing/pacing of the last arc - YA/Runaways crossover - the last issue was done in a confusing manner.

As Specter313 already stated, the YA/Runaways crossover was not the last arc. Issue #24 was. YA/Runaways crossover took place chronologically a while ago.

You've never, ever in your life seen a TV show or cartoon episode or comic issue cliffhanger ending that doesn't explicitly spell out what happens next and isn't revealed in the next issue or episode? How many Avengers or JLA arcs have ended with one hero or another saying, "HAY YOU GUYZ, we just got an alert for a new mission!" and then show the team running off to the mission without ever telling us what happens in that mission?

The ending to that scene was the ending of that scene. Seriously, I don't know what to tell y'all if you actually expected for issue #25 to begin with the kids still facing off against SHIELD, and that's even discounting the fact that the next writer wouldn't have access to Vaughan's script for #24 while he was working on #25. Vaughan's saga definitively ended with his last, very fitting scene, and he did it in a way that gave complete freedom to any writer who would be following him or could have ended the series right then and there and it would still be a solid ending. His story is over. That was the ending. Even if he had ended it any other way -- and I'm glad he didn't -- Whedon would still have written #25 in the exact same way.

I frankly don't see what's so confusing about it. Maybe I'm the only person who was unjarred, which wouldn't be surprising and would only show how much better I am than everyone else.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

As Specter313 already stated, the YA/Runaways crossover was not the last arc. Issue #24 was. YA/Runaways crossover took place chronologically a while ago.

You've never, ever in your life seen a TV show or cartoon episode or comic issue cliffhanger ending that doesn't explicitly spell out what happens next and isn't revealed in the next issue or episode? How many Avengers or JLA arcs have ended with one hero or another saying, "HAY YOU GUYZ, we just got an alert for a new mission!" and then show the team running off to the mission without ever telling us what happens in that mission?

The ending to that scene was the ending of that scene. Seriously, I don't know what to tell y'all if you actually expected for issue #25 to begin with the kids still facing off against SHIELD, and that's even discounting the fact that the next writer wouldn't have access to Vaughan's script for #24 while he was working on #25. Vaughan's saga definitively ended with his last, very fitting scene, and he did it in a way that gave complete freedom to any writer who would be following him or could have ended the series right then and there and it would still be a solid ending. His story is over. That was the ending. Even if he had ended it any other way -- and I'm glad he didn't -- Whedon would still have written #25 in the exact same way.

I frankly don't see what's so confusing about it. Maybe I'm the only person who was unjarred, which wouldn't be surprising and would only show how much better I am than everyone else.

Let's say said mission was going off against the Infinity Gauntlet bearer. Yeah, then I'd be kinda curious how the hell they solved that. Or the world was ending, or Satan came from Earth saying, "The Earth is now hell!!" And it became hell, and they were next in Miami. I'd be slightly interested just what the hell happened. The scenario you kind of allude to is, "The Trapster attacks downtown New York!" Then it's obvious, Avengers kicked ass, went home, Miller time. Omit Tony, then it was Dr. Pepper time.

So no. It's not really comparable. I mean, unless Stark just decided, "Eh, it's not worth it, despite the fact I have you all in unescapable odds, and I could basically haul your asses in with zero problems at this point. It's jut not worth it. Move out men, let them be" I'm pretty sure we'll all be wondering just what the hell happened, because they definitely didn't just, "Let's run!!" and somehow, they just kind of ran in a direction where SHIELD agents weren't, because we know they were surrounded.

I think you just suffer from Whedon fanboyism. Kind of like DBZ and Goku fanboyism.

 

[BrianWilly]

Good thing I'm actually defending Vaughan, then, and not Whedon. Like I said, that story could have ended with the Runaways being sucked into a black hole in the Andromeda galaxy and Whedon's issue #25 would still have begun the exact same way.

I think people are blowing the Iron Man encounter into far more than it was ever meant to be. The fact is that we were never going to see how that went down, and Vaughan's ending itself made that pretty clear. If he actually wanted it to play an important role, he wouldn't have introduced that little ambush four pages before the end of his twenty-four issue maxiseries saga. Which is why I asked if you all actually expected issue number 25 to begin with the kids still in the hostel being cornered by Stark. Seriously, is that what everyone thought was going to happen?

And frankly, I also think people are completely overestimating Iron Man and the SHIELD squad. Haul them in with zero problems, seriously? What, like we've never seen characters get away from SHIELD before? We've never seen Iron Man fall for a fast one while his quarry skedaddles? We've seen these kids get away from far more dangerous things. Hell, we've seen these exact children get away from both Iron Man and SHIELD before, so color me bored. The Infinity Gauntlet, this ain't; to me there's really no difference between the Avengers going off to fight yet another giant monster and the Runaways running away from yet another giant fight. It surprises me that people even care.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

dude... with all the stops and consistancies in civil war (there were alot then some realise) and with how powerful ironman and and shield are.. i just find it interesting that at the end of Vaughns run it was a pretty much "game over" and no way out for the runaways but to register.... and next thing we know there running away, cross country. it'd be nice to know how exactly they managed to allude and excape... all of them together..

 

[BrianWilly]

Ooooookay.

Xavin makes them all invisible while Nico casts a spell to paralyze SHIELD or to warp them out of the Hostel.

There. They've just gotten away. All of them together.

You can imagine Chase making some sarcastic comments in the background if you like.

I really do not understand this impression that Iron Man and SHIELD are somehow invincible superpowers who just checkmated them or something. That wasn't a checkmate, that was a check. Any one of us here -- any one of us -- could come up with at least half a dozen ways for the Runaways to have gotten away from them. Their main superpower is to run away, people.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

As Specter313 already stated, the YA/Runaways crossover was not the last arc. Issue #24 was. YA/Runaways crossover took place chronologically a while ago.

You've never, ever in your life seen a TV show or cartoon episode or comic issue cliffhanger ending that doesn't explicitly spell out what happens next and isn't revealed in the next issue or episode? How many Avengers or JLA arcs have ended with one hero or another saying, "HAY YOU GUYZ, we just got an alert for a new mission!" and then show the team running off to the mission without ever telling us what happens in that mission?

The ending to that scene was the ending of that scene. Seriously, I don't know what to tell y'all if you actually expected for issue #25 to begin with the kids still facing off against SHIELD, and that's even discounting the fact that the next writer wouldn't have access to Vaughan's script for #24 while he was working on #25. Vaughan's saga definitively ended with his last, very fitting scene, and he did it in a way that gave complete freedom to any writer who would be following him or could have ended the series right then and there and it would still be a solid ending. His story is over. That was the ending. Even if he had ended it any other way -- and I'm glad he didn't -- Whedon would still have written #25 in the exact same way.

I frankly don't see what's so confusing about it. Maybe I'm the only person who was unjarred, which wouldn't be surprising and would only show how much better I am than everyone else...at worshipping Whedon and making up excuses for him.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Good thing I'm actually defending Vaughan, then, and not Whedon. Like I said, that story could have ended with the Runaways being sucked into a black hole in the Andromeda galaxy and Whedon's issue #25 would still have begun the exact same way.

You're doing Whedon/Vaughan's job for them; we pay them to tell us stories. I don't wanna have to "speculate" as to what went down. That scene wasn't a cliffhanger, it was like a movie just cutting off with 10 mins left till the end.

I think people are blowing the Iron Man encounter into far more than it was ever meant to be. The fact is that we were never going to see how that went down, and Vaughan's ending itself made that pretty clear. If he actually wanted it to play an important role, he wouldn't have introduced that little ambush four pages before the end of his twenty-four issue maxiseries saga. Which is why I asked if you all actually expected issue number 25 to begin with the kids still in the hostel being cornered by Stark. Seriously, is that what everyone thought was going to happen?

Yes, that's exactly what I thought was going to happen. Whedon could have ended that scene however he wanted. Imagine if Civil War #7 ended with Cap and Tony staring at each other about to throw the first punches. Would that have been an acceptable ending for you?

And frankly, I also think people are completely overestimating Iron Man and the SHIELD squad. Haul them in with zero problems, seriously? What, like we've never seen characters get away from SHIELD before? We've never seen Iron Man fall for a fast one while his quarry skedaddles? We've seen these kids get away from far more dangerous things. Hell, we've seen these exact children get away from both Iron Man and SHIELD before, so color me bored. The Infinity Gauntlet, this ain't; to me there's really no difference between the Avengers going off to fight yet another giant monster and the Runaways running away from yet another giant fight. It surprises me that people even care.

Haha, which Runaway do you see giving Ironman any competition now that he's not pulling any punches? Like MG said, the kids were surrounded and I can't see any way for them to have escaped.

I read your scenario above about how the kids could have gotten away. You don't think Tony and probably the SHIELD agents have heat vision to sense the kids' body heat in case Xavin made them invisible? These are a bunch of inexperienced kids fighting a very smart and experienced man in a suit of ridiculous technology.


****! I got tricked into writing one of those page wasting essays that I hate to read

 

[Dread]

To settle it once and for all, YA/RUNAWAYS takes place before RUNAWAYS #22 and after #21, between Vaughan's last two 3-part arcs. At the beginning of #22 or so fighting the werewolves, Victory's injuries during YA/RUNAWAYS are referenced, noting the story's placement. Even wikipedia got that right.

#24 ended in a cliffhanger. It wasn't as much of a cliffhanger as someone near death, but it was still aburpt. Of course, it was Vaughan's last issue and while, no, Whedon supposedly would have not seen his script, a few interviews, including one published in WIZARD, noted the pair had talked about it (as Whedon admitted being a fan of RUNAWAYS), so there was likely some vague idea. Vaughan could have spent the last 2 pages or so of his run having the kids flee the Hostel, but instead he wanted to finish on Alex, which was cool.

RUNAWAYS SAGA, which was mostly a recap of the entire run of the book, pretty much had the teens in the Leapfrog fleeing CA and crossing the states. That implied they escaped. It shipped before #25 and as it only had a few pages of new material one could call it an epilogue to #24, written by the former editor of RUNAWAYS, and the writer of their spin-off mini, THE LONERS.

Whedon could have begun his run with a page depicting the escape, but instead he recapped the origin, which is nice but it also assumed that RUNAWAYS SAGA wasn't picked up, argueably showcasing how useless that $4 special was. I won't say that not showing how the kids escaped Iron Man & SHIELD totally ruined the issue, because it didn't. Honestly it was a bigger quibble to me that Chase was back to being a happy-go-lucky dumb jock and not the borderline dark prince act from the past 6-10 issues of material. But it still is a plot-hole, and no amount of Whedon excuses from fans negates that. Much as he made a mistake with Kingpin. It's an interesting plot twist, but if you read DD or some other titles, it makes no sense. Unless Kingpin returned to the states and re-established himself about 4 hours after he was shoved on a plane to go overseas, and no one noticed. Whedon, quite frankly, is a writer not used to having to fit into continuity. His ASTONISHING X-MEN operates pretty much on it's own, mostly because it ships so erractically, and also because while it lifts some current plot elements, it's purpose is simply to sell well and allow Whedon to write a basic X-Men story, and that is what it is. One could argue that RUNAWAYS spent a lot of it's run being as seperate from the rest of MU as possible, so Whedon is following through, but that doesn't work as well when you use characters who are otherwise occupied.

BrainWilly's a cool poster, don't get me wrong, I do actually like reading what he says and he usually makes sense. But he has a bias, and quite frankly, as he has admitted it with almost every post, and even with his TITLE (Disciple of Whedon), it doesn't make a lot of sense to argue it. It would be like seeing a poster named DCFOREVER and trying to argue with him that Marvel is better. It's not happening. Don't waste the text. I feel he's been very honest and forthcoming with his biases, as I try to be, so it's not a huge deal.

The reason many of us feel that Iron Man & SHIELD are god-moders, especially when compared to a tired and depleted RUNAWAYS team, is because of past depictions. They captured the Young Avengers, who argueably are far more powerful, without Iron Man. We've seen them crank out ridiculous comic baloney technology to counter every power under the sun if the plot demands it. So simply assuming the kids got away without even a mention could seem jarring. Like I said, for me, it didn't break the issue. I liked it. There were quibbles that I thought mattered more. But it was less than ideal. Sometimes Iron Man & SHIELD are omnipotent and sometimes they are incompetant, much like some of the extremes of Batman (either he is Omnipotent Prep-Time Gadget God or Stubborn Karate Man), and one can never tell which they will be in any given scene. But, with SAGA and the previews for #25, I guess I saw it coming.

It still is jarring, though, to have potentially cool sequences happen off panel. Yes, yes, it happens all the time. So does cancer. Doesn't make it good. I remember when Mark Millar did something simular in RETURN TO WEAPON X, where he essentially has most of the climatic Wolverine vs. Sabretooth battle happen off-panel, and it sucked. He frequently had a lot of cool stuff happen off panel for plot convience and I always hated it. So that is why it was a little jarring to me and others. But, seeing it coming, I was more distracted by the Chase and Fisk bits, and curious as to what Whedon is doing for the next 5 issues.

 

[BrianWilly]

You're doing Whedon/Vaughan's job for them; we pay them to tell us stories. I don't wanna have to "speculate" as to what went down. That scene wasn't a cliffhanger, it was like a movie just cutting off with 10 mins left till the end.

Boy, you must have hated how 300 ended.

The ending of Vaughan's story is the ending that he gave us. We were never. Going. To see. What happened after that scene. Period. That's the way he very deliberately set it up. It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't him not doing his job no matter how much you don't like it. His job is done. That's the way he did it.

Yes, that's exactly what I thought was going to happen. Whedon could have ended that scene however he wanted. Imagine if Civil War #7 ended with Cap and Tony staring at each other about to throw the first punches. Would that have been an acceptable ending for you?

Whedon? Ending the scene? I think you mean Vaughan.

Sounds like I'm not the only one with a bias.

Haha, which Runaway do you see giving Ironman any competition now that he's not pulling any punches? Like MG said, the kids were surrounded and I can't see any way for them to have escaped.

Victor. He's created by Ultron, and his technology easily rivals Stark's enough to give him "any competition."

I read your scenario above about how the kids could have gotten away. You don't think Tony and probably the SHIELD agents have heat vision to sense the kids' body heat in case Xavin made them invisible? These are a bunch of inexperienced kids fighting a very smart and experienced man in a suit of ridiculous technology.

Xavin isn't the focus of the escape. I debated even including him in my little elaborate scenario at all, since all you even need is one person: Nico the walking witch ex machina. All she has do is cast one spell. One. With six other people backing her up, is that so inconceivable?

Again with the overestimation of SHIELD, which I simply do not understand. Half of Civil War was practically people getting away from SHIELD. The Runaways themselves had already gotten away from SHIELD before. The point is not to beat them in battle, the point is to get away.

I'm still surprised that people even care.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Boy, you must have hated how 300 ended.

The "ending" to 300 can be found in any history book.

The ending of Vaughan's story is the ending that he gave us. We were never. Going. To see. What happened after that scene. Period. That's the way he very deliberately set it up. It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't him not doing his job no matter how much you don't like it. His job is done. That's the way he did it.

Nobody's asking for Vaughan to throw together a quick 5-page conclusion. I'm just expressing my feelings towards there not being one and hoping Whedon would have given it to us.

Whedon? Ending the scene? I think you mean Vaughan.

Sounds like I'm not the only one with a bias.

There's me who feels no way towards Whedon discussing the comic with you who LOOOVE him lol. I had to turn up the heat

Victor. He's created by Ultron, and his technology easily rivals Stark's enough to give him "any competition."

And you think Vic knows enough about how to use his powers to do any damage? Remember, this is the new "Ruthless, has no problems killing children, probably started WW2" Tony.

Xavin isn't the focus of the escape. I debated even including him in my little elaborate scenario at all, since all you even need is one person: Nico the walking witch ex machina. All she has do is cast one spell. One. With six other people backing her up, is that so inconceivable?

"The ****e" hs to cut herself and think of a spell to use. That's more than enough time for Tony to blast her ass. But I see you were just making up a scenario, it's cool.

Again with the overestimation of SHIELD, which I simply do not understand. Half of Civil War was practically people getting away from SHIELD. The Runaways themselves had already gotten away from SHIELD before. The point is not to beat them in battle, the point is to get away.

SHIELD excluded, Tony is the main factor here. If you're willing o assume Xavin, Nico, and Vic can do all these impressive things; who's to say Tony doesn't have some help(other superhumans) waiting off panel?

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

BrainWilly's a cool poster, don't get me wrong, I do actually like reading what he says and he usually makes sense. But he has a bias, and quite frankly, as he has admitted it with almost every post, and even with his TITLE (Disciple of Whedon), it doesn't make a lot of sense to argue it. It would be like seeing a poster named DCFOREVER and trying to argue with him that Marvel is better. It's not happening. Don't waste the text. I feel he's been very honest and forthcoming with his biases, as I try to be, so it's not a huge deal.

I know, I know. But he's one of my Eight, I HAVE to pay attention and at least try logic.

 

[Jennifer Walters]

Am I the only one wondering what the hell is truely going on between Karolina and Nico?

 

[Zoken]

I think that Nico is one of those who wants what she can't have. look at all of her relationships. two interacials, one while she was seeing someone else, and now she's flirting with Karolina. I mean she actually got a dedicated Catholic boy to have pre-marital. she must be a hell of a good ride.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I think that Nico is one of those who wants what she can't have. look at all of her relationships. two interacials, one while she was seeing someone else, and now she's flirting with Karolina. I mean she actually got a dedicated Catholic boy to have pre-marital. she must be a hell of a good ride.

If anything could actually be said about ****es, is that experience tends to be a good thing. All of my sister's boyfriends can't ALL be wrong, after all.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Am I the only one wondering what the hell is truely going on between Karolina and Nico?

They do seem awfully close. Karolina's experiencing problems with Xavin and Nico's experiencing problems with her flavor-of-the-week, so it seems like they might be heading for some girl-on-girl action. At least, that looks like what Whedon is setting up in this issue. They were a little more touchy-feely than simple friends. I think an attraction is there and it's gonna lead to problems.

 

[LouFerignoDemon]

I've said that! >.<

 

[Zoken]

I think that Karolina still retains feelings for Nico, and Nico is using Karolina as her "Safety net", which she believes that she'll need soon as she probably sees Victor's attacks on her decisions as being attacks on her.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

If anything could actually be said about ****es, is that experience tends to be a good thing. All of my sister's boyfriends can't ALL be wrong, after all.

I love hearin you talk about your sis. You've got to be exxagerating a tad.