The Sarah Connor Chronicles

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Scrubs - ABC Studios made the show, but aired it on NBC. ABC decided that they wanted the show then and moved it to ABC for the eighth season

Futurama - Started on FOX and then put it up for syndication on Cartoon Network for their Adult Swim bloc. The contract went up and then it went to Comedy Central along with airing the DTV movies that air on the channel in an episodic style to make a "fifth season" in a way. Because of the sales DVD sales of the seasons and DTV movies of Futurama, along with the success it has been having on Adult Swim and Comedy Central, 20th Century Fox is now considering bringing back Futurama in a proper season fashion and bring it back to FOX.

Arrested Development - The show was going to move from Fox to Showtime to continue on with a fourth season, it was almost a done deal but Mitch Hurwitz did not want to return feeling that he told the story that he wanted to tell and Showtime decided not to go forward with it because they wanted Hurwitz.

Smallville, One Tree Hill, Supernatural, 7th Heaven, Gilmore Girls, Everybody Hates Chris, Veronica Mars, Reba, Beauty and the Geek, America's Next Top Models, All of Us, and Girlfriends were all a part of Warner Bros' the WB and CBS' UPN line-ups and continued on with the CW following their merger.

Viva Pinata - Originally aired on 4Kids' block on FOX, but then moved it to their bloc on the CW.

WWE Friday Night Smackdown - Originated on UPN and continued on with the CW, however it has now moved to MyNetworkTV.

WWE Raw - Originated on USA and then moved to TNN/Spike, then it moved back USA

A lot of other shows have moved over the years like Sabrina the Teenage Witch from ABC to the WB, Step by Step and Family Matters from ABC to CBS, Get Smart from NBC to CBS, Diff'rent Strokes from NBC to ABC

I should have re-worded that to what shows have moved and done well in recent years??

Scrubs is airing for one season on ABC....its pretty clear the show is ending after this season

all of the UPN/WB shows don't count...it was a merger

Step by Step and Family Matters aired for one season on CBS and it was very clear the quality of those shows suffered greatly...the same for Get Smart and Different Strokes after their moves....all 4 aired for one season on their new network and were cancelled/concluded

Arrested Development doesn't count...the deal never happened and Im reading there are issues with the forthcoming movie

Viva Pinata....seriously??....the Saturday morning cartoon market is a shadow of its former self

Ill give you Futurama if it does come back to Fox with new episodes....as of right now its simply a syndication boon for Comedy Central

both RAW and SmackDown did make successful moves so you are right on that one

the only network show I can think of that moved networks and did very well was JAG....aired for one season on NBC, they cancelled it....CBS picked it up and it was a hit for them for 9 additional seasons...NCIS is still chugging along as well and is getting another spinoff

Baywatch went from NBC to syndication and aired for 10 seasons as well
 
I should have re-worded that to what shows have moved and done well in recent years??

Scrubs is airing for one season on ABC....its pretty clear the show is ending after this season

all of the UPN/WB shows don't count...it was a merger

Step by Step and Family Matters aired for one season on CBS and it was very clear the quality of those shows suffered greatly...the same for Get Smart and Different Strokes after their moves....all 4 aired for one season on their new network and were cancelled/concluded

Arrested Development doesn't count...the deal never happened and Im reading there are issues with the forthcoming movie

Viva Pinata....seriously??....the Saturday morning cartoon market is a shadow of its former self

Ill give you Futurama if it does come back to Fox with new episodes....as of right now its simply a syndication boon for Comedy Central

both RAW and SmackDown did make successful moves so you are right on that one

the only network show I can think of that moved networks and did very well was JAG....aired for one season on NBC, they cancelled it....CBS picked it up and it was a hit for them for 9 additional seasons...NCIS is still chugging along as well and is getting another spinoff

Baywatch went from NBC to syndication and aired for 10 seasons as well

Hey, you wanted shows within the past 5 years that have moved to networks and I gave you a handful. Whether they were successful or not was not part of the equation :o
 
Eh, I still dont see another channel picking it up. Maybe I could see Cw doing it. I dont think it would be more sucessfull though.
 
Speak for yourself. I'm going to be pretty darned enraged if I don't find out why John Henry took Cameron's chip (or rather, why she gave it to him), how the fridge John is going to get back to 2009, wether Sarah is really going to die of cancer, whether or not John will resist the temptations of Cameron's human "sister" Allison... There's just a ton of new plot threads that sprung up in the last episode, and if I don't get to see where any of them go, I am going to be a very sad camper. :(

The questions that season 2 has left us were more subtle and left us slightly curious. But it wasn't like how the seasons of a lot of shows end with a complete cliffhanger. We can really go on without being bothered what happened to Danny Dyson. How the timeline has changed now that John is in the future. Whether or not Sarah has cancer. Or whether that is Allison Young or Cameron in a new body.

Instead of leaving us with a cliffhanger that just dangles at us demanding to be answered, season 2 left us with a completely different feeling in my opinion....

A craving. A really deep craving that requires another season of Terminator for it to be satisfied. A craving that will nag at you forever if FOX decides to cancel the series.

Also, I'm going to say "heck no" to the idea of dropping the show and starting anew. I can almost tolerate the idea of them dropping the "Sarah Connor Chronicles" subtitle since the show has gotten far bigger than just Sarah, but I don't want them to because it's part of the show's identity. This is a show about the Connor family (which includes Cameron), and Sarah is the head of the family so I think it makes sense for her name to be in the title even if just as much time is being spent on the kids (and in a lot of episodes, more). It's a family drama show that has sci fi and action, although I would not label it as a sci fi or action show. The show is just as much about the complex relationship between Sarah, John, and Cameron as it is about stopping the future war, and that's part of why I love this show so much. In fact, I'd go so fare as to argue it's MORE about the Connor family than it is about the war they're entangled with.
The show's point was to be about Sarah Connor and her role as John's protector in the years following Terminator 2. That point has been fulfilled and there is no way it can continue with the way that season 2 ended.

Season 3 has to be completely different. Radically. Just like how Justice League went from a group of seven heroes into a political entity on par with NATO and the United Nations in Justice League Unlimited. Or how Archie Bunker lived on without his wife in Archie Bunker's place. Or the Power Rangers getting a new power source from the power coins to the zeo crystals and fighting the Machine Empire instead of Rita and Lord Zedd in Power Rangers: Zeo. With the way it ended, I think a new show similar to how the shows I mentioned would be best. A fresh start for FOX on this series.
 
Eh, I still dont see another channel picking it up. Maybe I could see Cw doing it. I dont think it would be more sucessfull though.
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The CW is turning into a network version of Lifetime. There is no way they'd pick it up. If another network ever picked it up, I think it would end up on NBC which gets a lot of WB produced shows. And then it would get canceled the next season due to low ratings because nobody watches NBC anymore.
 
Ive read rumors on some of the Hollywood blogs that some at the CW are ticked because Smallville and Supernatural do so well because those shows "don't fit the new program model they are trying for"
 
Upset of the success of some of their own shows? What kind of ****** logic is that? Especially in this economic climate.:huh:
 
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The CW is turning into a network version of Lifetime. There is no way they'd pick it up. If another network ever picked it up, I think it would end up on NBC which gets a lot of WB produced shows. And then it would get canceled the next season due to low ratings because nobody watches NBC anymore.

There is no hope for SCC.
 
Upset of the success of some of their own shows? What kind of ****** logic is that? Especially in this economic climate.:huh:
They want to just be a girl network now or something. With shows that are more like One Tree Hill and 90210 the next generation. Smallville and SUpernatural are to full of action.

Hey for that guy about network changes. Stargate SG-1 went from Showtime to Sci-fi and did very well. Five more seasons, 2 spin-offs, and 2 dtv movies. I would also add Power Rangers but I guess that wouldn't count since it changed stations due to a Dinsey buying Fox Family from Saban.
 
Upset of the success of some of their own shows? What kind of ****** logic is that? Especially in this economic climate.:huh:

It's just some rumors Ive read....the PTB at CW are trying to push the channel in a specific direction with shows like 90210, Gossip Girl, Privileged, etc....Smallville and Supernatural don't fit in that little box, so apparently some people there badmouth those shows behind closed doors but will reap the benefit for as long as they can....they both got renewed relatively quickly at the beginning of this year
 
Hey for that guy about network changes. Stargate SG-1 went from Showtime to Sci-fi and did very well. Five more seasons, 2 spin-offs, and 2 dtv movies. I would also add Power Rangers but I guess that wouldn't count since it changed stations due to a Dinsey buying Fox Family from Saban.

you're right....totally forgot about Stargate....
 
Upset of the success of some of their own shows? What kind of ****** logic is that? Especially in this economic climate.:huh:

Because the CW is run by ******s. Under the leadership of Dawn Ostroff, she's essentially turned the network into a non-cable even crappier version of Lifetime with shows like Gossip Girl, 90210, For Better or Worse, the Game, Body Politic, A Beautiful Life, One Tree Hill, America's Next Top Model, Priviliged, spin-offs for Gossip Girl and Melrose Place, Vampire Diaries, Chloe Gamble, and having the Tyra Banks Show become a part of the network.

However, their desire to capture the 18-45 female demographic has bit them in the ass all while their non girly shows like Smallville and Supernatural are their biggest hits while female targeted shows like Valentine, Girlfriends, Farmer Wants a Wife, Stylista, Pussycat Dolls Present, and Crowned: The Mother of All Pageants are cancelled.
 
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Damn it's looking even more grim as the days go on, TSCC seson3 will need a miracle. :(
 
The questions that season 2 has left us were more subtle and left us slightly curious. But it wasn't like how the seasons of a lot of shows end with a complete cliffhanger. We can really go on without being bothered what happened to Danny Dyson. How the timeline has changed now that John is in the future. Whether or not Sarah has cancer. Or whether that is Allison Young or Cameron in a new body.

Instead of leaving us with a cliffhanger that just dangles at us demanding to be answered, season 2 left us with a completely different feeling in my opinion....

See though, there's the problem... It's your opinion, but you use the term "us." I am well beyond "mildly curious" about what happens next now that John is 20 years into a future where he is not leading the resistance, and the lives of the only two people he has left in the world hang in the balance of the choices he makes, and about 90% of the Terminator fans I've talked to online feel he same way. Like I said, this is like TSCC's equivelent The Empire Strikes Back. Empire Strikes Back did not make me say "hmm... it could be interesting to see some of those questions answered, but I think it could be a good series closer if necessary." it left me shouting "I want to watch Return of the Jedi freakin' NOW!"

Likewise, I want to watch Season 3 of TSCC freakin' now. Even if/when the series gets renewed, waiting till fall for more episodes is going to be a slow, painfull process... Even with Terminator Salvation to tide me over. :(

The show's point was to be about Sarah Connor and her role as John's protector in the years following Terminator 2. That point has been fulfilled and there is no way it can continue with the way that season 2 ended.

I think I'll let Josh Friedman, the show's creator handle this:

Josh Friedman said:
But we needed a central relationship to anchor the story. The first Terminator movie was a romance, really, between Kyle and Sarah. The second movie is a father-son story between John and the Terminator. So I thought my show, at its core, would be a family drama, a relationship between a mother and a son who is coming of age. But if we're going to be about Sarah and John, there should be a girl. That's what usually breaks up that Oedipal relationship. And I decided to make the girl a Terminator.

This show is about the Connor family, consisting of Sarah, John, and Cameron. As long as Sarah Connor is alive, this is still going to be "The Sarah Connor Chronicles," and since Lena Headey has a 7 year contract with Warner Bros., I don't think that's going to change any time soon. Even though Summer Glau as Cameron is my favorite part of this show and I think Thomas Dekker is a terrific actor as John, Lena Headey as Sarah is what carries it. The show's identity largely comes from the fact that it's a family drama, and when you lose that you lose the show.

Season 3 has to be completely different. Radically. Just like how Justice League went from a group of seven heroes into a political entity on par with NATO and the United Nations in Justice League Unlimited. Or how Archie Bunker lived on without his wife in Archie Bunker's place. Or the Power Rangers getting a new power source from the power coins to the zeo crystals and fighting the Machine Empire instead of Rita and Lord Zedd in Power Rangers: Zeo. With the way it ended, I think a new show similar to how the shows I mentioned would be best. A fresh start for FOX on this series.

I think that Season 3 will be different, just as Season 2 was different from Season 1, but the show does not need an overhaul. Things will be different because for the first few episodes at least, we're likely going to be looking at a story that takes place in 2 separate time periods until John returns to 2009 (I'm thinking we'll see more than a few shades of Lost in those initial episodes). The Connors are once again without a home and Sarah is once again a wanted fugitive. They also are without Derek, unless John for some reason brings the alternate reality version of him back, which I foresee causing a lot of problems for the story (in addition to being a cop-out).

Even when the Connor family is back together things will be different, but not different enough that I think they should try and re-brand it. This is a show that's evolving, and now that the writers are finally escaping the shadow of the films I don't think it'd be smart to clean house. The show is still about the Connor family, and as long as that's true the show will still be "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Re-branding is just a cheap stunt to get attention, and I think this show would do much better by getting attention through reruns on cable.
 
Because the CW is run by ******s. Under the leadership of Dawn Ostroff, she's essentially turned the network into a non-cable even crappier version of Lifetime with shows like Gossip Girl, 90210, For Better or Worse, the Game, Body Politic, A Beautiful Life, One Tree Hill, America's Next Top Model, Priviliged, spin-offs for Gossip Girl and Melrose Place, Vampire Diaries, Chloe Gamble, and having the Tyra Banks Show become a part of the network.

However, their desire to capture the 18-45 female demographic has bit them in the ass all while their non girly shows like Smallville and Supernatural are their biggest hits while female targeted shows like Valentine, Girlfriends, Farmer Wants a Wife, Stylista, Pussycat Dolls Present, and Crowned: The Mother of All Pageants are cancelled.

Hey, I happen to like Gossip Girl (as my sole source of guilty pleasure) and America's Next Top Model's stock just went up in my book on the grounds of Creepy-Chan being in it.


I think that Season 3 will be different, just as Season 2 was different from Season 1, but the show does not need an overhaul. Things will be different because for the first few episodes at least, we're likely going to be looking at a story that takes place in 2 separate time periods until John returns to 2009 (I'm thinking we'll see more than a few shades of Lost in those initial episodes). The Connors are once again without a home and Sarah is once again a wanted fugitive. They also are without Derek, unless John for some reason brings the alternate reality version of him back, which I foresee causing a lot of problems for the story (in addition to being a cop-out).

Even when the Connor family is back together things will be different, but not different enough that I think they should try and re-brand it. This is a show that's evolving, and now that the writers are finally escaping the shadow of the films I don't think it'd be smart to clean house. The show is still about the Connor family, and as long as that's true the show will still be "The Sarah Connor Chronicles." Re-branding is just a cheap stunt to get attention, and I think this show would do much better by getting attention through reruns on cable.

If I were in charge of the series, I'd keep John Connor in the future and have the show focus on him, with him trying to piece together how Judgment Day occurred and what happened to his mother. Introduce mid-season the return of Ellison, now an old man (the same guy with makeup) and his 'step-daughter', Savannah (now all grown up). There's bound to be plenty of angst/drama that can be explored when the latter meets the Shirley-nator. Finally, at the season finale, have Sarah Connor suddenly pop up in the future as the cliffhanger.
 
I'm wondering if Glau or Manson might be brought into one of the Salvation sequels if TSCC ends? They have both done such a good job.
 
She wants to stay behind and continue her fight to stop Judgment Day. The time machine was headed into a post Judgment Day future.

It was also time for her to let John go and be the man he has to be. Her role as his protector has been fulfilled.

but she failed... we know this because john landed in a post judgement day future. Here's a question: what happens to John, if she succeeds?
 
Nothing. Many worlds theory again: John's in one future, so even if Sarah changes things in the past, his future will remain intact.
 
but she failed... we know this because john landed in a post judgement day future. Here's a question: what happens to John, if she succeeds?

He comes back to '09 and goes into therapy because he suddenly finds that he gets aroused by toasters and plasma TVs.
 
He comes back to '09 and goes into therapy because he suddenly finds that he gets aroused by toasters and plasma TVs.

you haven't lived until you've seen someone dry hump a toaster

John did have a normal life for a couple years before it all started up again....I get tired of the "why isn't he a badass??" complaint....no one turns into a badass overnight
 
From the TS thread:

What VP of Fox Broadcating Kate Arbit Said about SCC




There are times when things are brought to mind that I’m pretty certain I forgot to cover. This is one of those nights. Timstuff pointed out a post from March 10th by the VP of Fox Broadcasting Kate Arbit. Here is what she had to say about Terminator the Sarah Connor Chronicles.


There are various reasons for people to time-shift, and the action doesn’t make a program any less valuable-in fact it gives ratings a boost. TSCC is a Friday night program, the second least watched night of the week, and if the audience takes the time to playback the program than clearly there is some value to it. As far as fast forwarding goes, several studies have shown that fast forwarding does sometimes result in better recall than live viewing because viewers have to watch the ads, can’t switch the channel, to know when the next segment of the show begins. All this to say time-shifted viewing is not a bad thing it allows veiwers to stay current on their favorite shows at their leisure and practically guarantees the advertiser for its message to be seen across competitive programming.

I hope that she hasn’t forgotten this and I doubt she has. All signs have pointed and continue to point towards the inclusion of DVR numbers in FOX’s ratings overlook. And that DVR ratings will continue be part of the way that Fox determines the possibility of keeping SCC alive or not.
Here’s the original link.


And scroll down through the replies to Kate Arbit from Fox.
 
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