The Sarah Connor Chronicles

[BlackLantern]

If anything, TSCC would probably have better luck on MY NetworkTV!!!t: Apparently, they've been kickin' CW's ass in certain demographics. The dumbest thing CW could have done was get rid of Smackdown. That was basically them saying "F*** 18 to 49 year-old males!!!" Plus, the cast of TSCC isn't "pretty enough" for females. That is to say, they're not of the American Eagle, Ambercrombie & Fitch aesthetic. They're all attractive, don't get me wrong, but Brian Austin Green hasn't been seen as a heartthrob since the original 90210. He'd be competing with the likes of Jensen Ackles, Jared Padelecki, Tom Welling, Justin Hartley, and Chad Michael Murry. These are the guys the girls who watch CW gravitate towars. BAG, sadly, woulbe be considered a geezer by comparison. And while they should like a character like Derek Reese, there's a line between rugged and unforgivably scruffy that he may be crossing for some people.

As for wanting a show with strong female characters, forget about it. The females who watch CW aren't the "girls kick ass" addicts that helped Buffy when it was on the WB. None of the females on TSCC are pop culture savy or fashion-forward enough (if at all) to get their attention.

you must have missed the memo....MyNetwork TV has abandoned all original programming and is going to reruns and movies for the forseeable future

 

[KenK]

you must have missed the memo....MyNetwork TV has abandoned all original programming and is going to reruns and movies for the forseeable future

It was a joke, genius.

EDIT: So there!!!

 

[BlackLantern]

sorry then....no one ever talks about that channel so that's why I thought you were being serious

 

[KenK]

No worries.

 

[carrrnuttt]

It was a joke, genuis.

Irony? Yes.

 

[KenK]

Irony? Yes.

Oh, shut up!

 

[FCEEVIPER]

that makes sense too....I liked Terminator on Mondays but Ive gotten used to it on Fridays now

Not I, I usually download it on Sat or Sun.

 

[Superfreak]

timeslot is not going to help this show, unless it maintains last weeks episode as the standard. If we get more episodes in the vain of a halucinated tangent, it won't matter what night/timeslot TSCC is dropped into.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, the second half of the season was pretty weak until last week's episode.

 

[BlackLantern]

I really like Greene's character....I was very skeptical when it came out he was joining the cast, but after the flashback episode, where he's on the table wounded, and it cuts back to his squad being captured in that house, I was sold....

 

[FCEEVIPER]

Yeah, the second half of the season was pretty weak until last week's episode.

True.

 

[Angry Sentinel]

If anything, TSCC would probably have better luck on MY NetworkTV!!!t: Apparently, they've been kickin' CW's ass in certain demographics. The dumbest thing CW could have done was get rid of Smackdown. That was basically them saying "F*** 18 to 49 year-old males!!!" Plus, the cast of TSCC isn't "pretty enough" for females. That is to say, they're not of the American Eagle, Ambercrombie & Fitch aesthetic. They're all attractive, don't get me wrong, but Brian Austin Green hasn't been seen as a heartthrob since the original 90210. He'd be competing with the likes of Jensen Ackles, Jared Padelecki, Tom Welling, Justin Hartley, and Chad Michael Murry. These are the guys the girls who watch CW gravitate towars. BAG, sadly, woulbe be considered a geezer by comparison. And while they should like a character like Derek Reese, there's a line between rugged and unforgivably scruffy that he may be crossing for some people.

As for wanting a show with strong female characters, forget about it. The females who watch CW aren't the "girls kick ass" addicts that helped Buffy when it was on the WB. None of the females on TSCC are pop culture savy or fashion-forward enough (if at all) to get their attention.

This was very well said, I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the comment about the CW. Sadly this network is lost to in-depth, character-driven stories. Unless the shows learn to accessorize!

 

[Frodo]

I think T3's John Connor sucked as well. He came off as utterly irresponsible in the film. A person who tried to avoid his duties as much as possible until he had no choice at all and was forced to suck it up.

That was the point . He thought he'd avoided judgement day because of the events of T2 and he basically had nothing to live for afterwards. His mom was gone , he was moving from Job to Job. I think the point of the film was that no matter how much he tried to avoid it , his destiny was to lead the restistance. The TV John is a whiny teen who's mad at his mom for telling him what to do.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, crazy for a 16-year-old, right?

John's growing past the whiny, impotent teenager mold in TSCC. That's been a really good part of the second season, actually.

 

[BlackLantern]

We're slowly seeing him making decisions and being a leader....that takes time....people expect him to just be All Go No Quit Big Nuts John Connor right at the start....

 

[RaZaTrOn]

I really enjoyed the latest episode.The ending was great when John broke down.

It made me realize for the first time what he actually is going through. The way he explained it to Jesse to.
Being hunted before he was born etc.. I don't blame him for being whiney and not wanting any of it. I really feel for the character now more than i ever have. I'm thinking that might be the last time John cries?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, John breaking down and crying in Sarah's lap was a great way to end the episode. Sarah's purpose in the series as John matured started becoming a little less clear to me over this second half of the season; she had that whole guilt trip over killing that guy in the mid-season cliffhanger, but that was so removed from the main narrative with Jesse and Riley that it felt inconsequential. But even though the series seems to be shifting over to John as the central character, this past episode did a great job of bringing Sarah back to the forefront as well by showing her importance to John. He was the John Conner for the first time in that episode... and when it was over and he finally had a chance to just be a teenager again and mourn his dead girlfriend, Sarah's is the shoulder (figuratively) he cries on.

 

[Timstuff]

And the final scenes between Derek and John and especially Derek and Jesse were quite strong and surprisingly well acted. As was John's ability to hide what he was really feeling from Derek and collapse with his mother while Cameron sits there obliviously.

I wouldn't say Cameron was "sitting there obliviously" while John cried. I think she simply knows her place, and knows better than to try and do Sarah's job in front of her. I don't think that Cameron is socially advanced enough yet to know to comfort John the way Sarah did, but if John wanted to cry on her lap I'm sure she'd have no problem with it (for all we know, maybe Future John has already).

I think the real reason Cameron remained stoic during John's breakdown is because Sarah was watching. To my memory, there have been only TWO times in all of TSCC where Cameron acted "human" around a member of the Connor house other than John: the first time was in Samson and Delilah, when she was merely acting as a deception, and in Mr. Ferguson is Ill (I think) when Cameron passionately declared of John "I can't let anything happen to him." Technically Derek got another glimpse of her humanity when he saw her dance, but Cameron didn't know he was watching. Other than that, her human traits have been more or less reserved for John when the adults aren't watching, because she knows it'll piss Sarah and Derek off and make them think she's being deceptive, since they're both very anti-metal.

A truly great episode. It makes me sad to know that there is probably no chance we'll get a season 3.

There is not "no chance" of a season 3. There's an iffy chance, but I would hardly go as far as to say it's doubtful. If the show does not get a boost past 4 million live viewers I think it's possible that Fox will drop it, but that does not mean Warner Bros. will not simply move it to another network, like CW or Scifi.

He'd be competing with the likes of Jensen Ackles, Jared Padelecki, Tom Welling, Justin Hartley, and Chad Michael Murry. These are the guys the girls who watch CW gravitate towars. BAG, sadly, woulbe be considered a geezer by comparison. And while they should like a character like Derek Reese, there's a line between rugged and unforgivably scruffy that he may be crossing for some people.

Still, BAG does get a lot of women's attention, and there's also Dekker for the younger ladies. Also, keep in mind that TSCC has a very loyal viewer base, and I imagine that the vast majority of them will follow the show if it moves to CW. Picking up some additional viewers from the CW's typical female demographic would be very desireable, sure, but it's not like they'd be trading in the show's current audience and trying to find a new one.

As for wanting a show with strong female characters, forget about it. The females who watch CW aren't the "girls kick ass" addicts that helped Buffy when it was on the WB. None of the females on TSCC are pop culture savy or fashion-forward enough (if at all) to get their attention.

Cameron has always been fairly trendy with her sense of fashion. That's always been a part of her character, but if the producers wanted to play it up a bit to help improve the show's female demos on the CW, it's not like it would have a noticeable negative impact on the show.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

That was the point . He thought he'd avoided judgement day because of the events of T2 and he basically had nothing to live for afterwards. His mom was gone , he was moving from Job to Job. I think the point of the film was that no matter how much he tried to avoid it , his destiny was to lead the restistance...

Bingo!

 

[Timstuff]

That was kind of why a lot of people didn't like Terminator 3 though. In Terminators 1 and 2, you had Future John, Sarah, and Kyle all saying "There's no fate but what we make," but then you have Terminator 3 that quite explicitly said "nuh-uh." The line that I think a lot of people get PO'd over (including myself) is the one said by the T-850: "Judgment Day was inevitable." He might as well have said "You know all that stuff your parents said about carving your own fate? Well it was all horse sh**." It's like the writers wanted you to know, unequivocally, that Terminator 2 was at best a distraction from the real story.

Oh well, the damage has been done, and I'm hopeful that they make the best of it with T4 since everything of it I've seen so far looks bad ass. With TSCC though, I'm curious to see where the story goes. I read in an interview with Josh Friedman that he actually is a kidney cancer survivor, and his fight with cancer has really manifested itself through the show. And really, that makes me wonder what direction the story is going to take as Judgment day draws near. Personally, I'd be disappointed if all they do is more or less recycle the ending of Terminator 3. Judgment Day comes, the world sets ablaze, everyone is sad, and the story's time line is cemented as being an alternate reality. We've seen it, and frankly I hope that Josh Friedman has bigger plans than that.

The first Terminator movie wasn't exactly a happy story-- not by a long shot. Terminator 2, however, did have a bittersweet ending. You were sad because Uncle Bob died, but at the same time you felt hopeful. And the shocking part, is that the original ending was so "happy" that it crossed into the territory of saccarine, which prompted James Cameron to cut it from the film (and thank God for that, because the original ending actually eliminated the possibility of any further continuations).

With Terminator 3, they decided to go the route of tragedy that was suggested in the first film, that John Connor has no choice but to survive the apocalypse and win an almost hopeless war. However, I'd personally like to see The Sarah Connor Chronicles go a different route from either T3 or T2's endings. I think the most likely scenario will be that John Connor is able to prevent Judgment Day by reconciling with the machines. Really, unless man comes to an understanding of his creations, Judgment Day WILL be inevitable in the Terminator universe. Wether it's by John making peace with Skynet, or convincing Skynet's creations to think for themselves and co-exist with humans, I think that there are plenty of valid alternatives to simply ending the show with nukes falling from the sky.

 

[Superfreak]

Yeah, crazy for a 16-year-old, right?

John's growing past the whiny, impotent teenager mold in TSCC. That's been a really good part of the second season, actually.

come on corp... only for 1 episode... consistency is key here. IMO, john should be the most mature character on the show

 

[Nivek]

Well, the thing is with Time Travel, there is always alternate universes. I was worried about this show conflicting with T:S, but not anymore, it's got it's own continuity at this point.

 

[KenK]

That was kind of why a lot of people didn't like Terminator 3 though. In Terminators 1 and 2, you had Future John, Sarah, and Kyle all saying "There's no fate but what we make," but then you have Terminator 3 that quite explicitly said "nuh-uh." The line that I think a lot of people get PO'd over (including myself) is the one said by the T-850: "Judgment Day was inevitable." He might as well have said "You know all that stuff your parents said about carving your own fate? Well it was all horse sh**." It's like the writers wanted you to know, unequivocally, that Terminator 2 was at best a distraction from the real story.

Which is pretty much true.

The first Terminator movie wasn't exactly a happy story-- not by a long shot.

Well, it was clearly an end in which Sarah accepted what was going to happen down the road, and the role she would play.

Terminator 2, however, did have a bittersweet ending. You were sad because Uncle Bob died, but at the same time you felt hopeful. And the shocking part, is that the original ending was so "happy" that it crossed into the territory of saccarine, which prompted James Cameron to cut it from the film (and thank God for that, because the original ending actually eliminated the possibility of any further continuations).

Well, that "happy" ending would have opened up a can of worms given the nature of John Connor as a character. He's essentially an anomaly of time. He exists in the future, sends Reese back in time to protect his mother, who Reese impregnates, thus resulting in John being born in the first place. Removing Judgment Day from the equation means potentially removing John Connor from existence altogether. Leaving it as vague as Cameron ultimately did, distracts you from the fact that Judgment Day still needs to happen for John to even be born.

With Terminator 3, they decided to go the route of tragedy that was suggested in the first film, that John Connor has no choice but to survive the apocalypse and win an almost hopeless war. However, I'd personally like to see The Sarah Connor Chronicles go a different route from either T3 or T2's endings. I think the most likely scenario will be that John Connor is able to prevent Judgment Day by reconciling with the machines. Really, unless man comes to an understanding of his creations, Judgment Day WILL be inevitable in the Terminator universe. Wether it's by John making peace with Skynet, or convincing Skynet's creations to think for themselves and co-exist with humans, I think that there are plenty of valid alternatives to simply ending the show with nukes falling from the sky.

So basically, it's like how Battlestar Galactica ended?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

come on corp... only for 1 episode... consistency is key here. IMO, john should be the most mature character on the show

The whole season was basically John rebelling against his mother. That's an important part of adolescence.

 

[Timstuff]

So basically, it's like how Battlestar Galactica ended?

Hey, c'mon, I'm still on season 2! No spoilers outside the BSG thread!