The Sarah Palin Thread: 'Controversial Controversy' Edition

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Obama can lie to the people that voted for him but Palin can't wear a short dress. The age we live in.

I don't like her either, but to attack her for the clothing she wears? Attack her stances on issues, not how far from her knees her skirt is.
 
Obama can lie to the people that voted for him but Palin can't wear a short dress. The age we live in.

I don't like her either, but to attack her for the clothing she wears? Attack her stances on issues, not how far from her knees her skirt is.

her fake family values persona is an issue. if the right can use family values as an issue I can too.

and as far as Obama lying to people well all I know is that he failed on his campaign promise to close Gitmo.
I can't really say he lied because I have no proof of intent. He was however naive perhaps to think he could get it done.
I don't think he realized how crazy the right would be in their opposition to it. That has been his biggest failure. Thinking he could reach across the aisle.
I think he gave people too much credit to not be hornswaggled by the idea that somehow the American Justice system was so fragile that it couldn't try these people.
Or that the jails somehow couldn't hold these superhuman beings.
 
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Oh I appreciate that they got it mostly right. and the fact that they allowed for amendments is one of the things that has made it so enduring.
and I agree that our govt is far from what it is supposed to be constitutionally. mostly the way the big money is allowed to usurp the will of the people. They purchase legislation like they were buying socks at WalMart.

You know what allows big money to usurp the will of the people? The regulation of the economy. The corporatist economic system of liberals (the middle ground between socialism and capitalism).

In a capitalist government, big money would not be able to usurp the will of anyone.

or maybe he just doesn't think Ayn Rand wrote it.

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I thought it was lack of campaign finance laws that allows industry to invest/buy candidates who then write laws to manipulate the markets--through regulation, tariffs or creating loopholes in existing regulation for business to drive corrupt trains through--that hurt industry by basically allowing whoever has the most money to do what they want.

Perhaps instead of removing regulations and giving industry even more leeway than they already had, like drilling in the Gulf or on Wall Street for example, we take industry influence out of government first? It's not rocket science. It's just impossible to get politicians to restrict their cash flows, unfortunately that is.
 
Lobbyist can get around campaign finance laws. I believe it's far less practical to entrust politicians to completely eliminate corruption than it is to free up the markets. Regardless of my beliefs about rights and faith in the free market.
 
Obama can lie to the people that voted for him but Palin can't wear a short dress. The age we live in.

I don't like her either, but to attack her for the clothing she wears? Attack her stances on issues, not how far from her knees her skirt is.

Sarah Palin is a compulsive liar. She came out of the gate telling lies.

and anyone who judges other people like she does with her pious "holier than thou" attitude deserves to be called out on their hypocrisy.

Judge not lest ye be judged

and hoisting her on her own stiletto heels and push up bras is quite apropos imo
 
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Now I must go wash my brain to get the image of Beck and Palin snogging out of there.
 
It always tickles me when people talk about getting back to what the "founders" intended. Mostly because the founders rarely agreed on anything, especially the expansion of the federal government, and also because what the founders created originally was a piece of sh**. America was poorly governed for many, many decades following it's creation. The Constitution was so weak it was unable to preserve the union, which dissolved temporarily during the Civil War. Jefferson, Adams and Washington were all skeptical of it's value, and definitely worked tirelessly to hold a new and volatile nation together. That's why it irks me so much to hear Palin invoke the founders, usually inappropriately and or inaccurately. It's like saying "they don't support the troops" or "palin' around with terrorists". It's just a talking point, and a ridiculous one at that. It's too deep a subject to simply finger point to one President and say "he's not upholding [the founders'] Constitution" and "he is". Frankly, any given President (or any public official) is in line with some founders more than others. Many of the intents of the founders we, in the modern era, would find utterly ridiculous. Jefferson wished to abolish all or any standing armies, and make his entire military to be citizen militia based. He would've viewed Kennedy's creation of counter-insurgency based military units to be absolutely abhorent, but I doubt even Jefferson's biggest fan would advocate getting rid of the NAVY SEALs. Alexander Hamilton thought religion was a plague, and Jefferson frequently indicated he'd seek to eradicate it altogether (through education - not genocide, so we're clear). Taking these rather extreme viewpoints into account, I don't really see how anyone really can make some broad brush statement about anything to do with the Constitution.
 
In fairness to Palin, contrary to the Huffington Post claiming she said she could see Russia from her house, Palin never said that, Tina Fey did.

Palin said you can see Russia from parts of Alaska (which is a stretch, but she never said she could see it from her house).
 
In fairness to Palin, contrary to the Huffington Post claiming she said she could see Russia from her house, Palin never said that, Tina Fey did.

Palin said you can see Russia from parts of Alaska (which is a stretch, but she never said she could see it from her house).

...but Palin did try to use Alaska's proximity to Russia as legitimate foreign policy experience.
 
...but Palin did try to use Alaska's proximity to Russia as legitimate foreign policy experience.

Which isn't remotely similar to saying you can see Russia from your house.

Alaska's uniqueness regarding it's proximity to Russia was a valid point.
 
Which isn't remotely similar to saying you can see Russia from your house.

Alaska's uniqueness regarding it's proximity to Russia was a valid point.

And what about Florida's proximity to Cuba and the states that border Mexico and Canada? While it is somewhat of a valid point because Alaska does have to deal with Russia to certain extents, but overall, it was pretty damn absurd.
 
CHARLES GIBSON: Let me ask you about specific national security situations. Let's start, because we are near Russia. Let's start with Russia and Georgia. The administration has said, we've got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?
SARAH PALIN: First off, we're going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain's running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we've got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable. And we have to keep...
GIBSON: You believe unprovoked?
PALIN: I do believe unprovoked. And we have got to keep our eyes on Russia. Under the leadership there.
GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of this state give you?
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.
GIBSON: You in favor of putting Georgia and Ukraine into NATO?
PALIN: Ukraine, definitely, yes. Yes, and Georgia. Putin thinks otherwise. Obviously he thinks otherwise.
GIBSON: And under the NATO treaty, wouldn't we then have to go to war if Russia went into Georgia?
PALIN: Perhaps so. I mean that is the agreement. When you are a NATO ally, is, if another country is attacked, you are going to be expected to be called upon and help.





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From the Thursday, September 11, 2008, World News transcript.


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-w...sia-my-backyard-palin-interview#ixzz0zdeFiB9z


 
PALIN: They're our next door neighbors. And you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.


Yea, as much as I hate to come to Palin's defense, she never claimed to be able to see Russia from her house.

But even the above statement is a bit of a stretch, as you have to go out onto an island owned by Alaska, and on a clear day, you can see another island that's owned by Russia.

You cannot see mainland Russia from mainland Alaska.
 
How's it a valid point? I mean I guess if you NEED write something down in the resume, then fine...but let's not say it's gold when it's ****....

As for the Palin quote, I think Marx's post is the point that got across.
 
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