The Spider-Man 3 First Look Thread [Merged]

Thank you and well said. You know, you are the only person that has mentioned this besides me.
Back in the day when I was pointing out the errors and misrepresentations of the character, I too was stating that, at times, Peter could be quite mean.
In the comics he was depicted at times, of being a very spiteful person and had nasty thoughts of getting back at, regular people.
These were/are common behaviour patterns that people go through, especially those who have been victims of bullying and other forms of discrimination.
I think leaving those sort of attributes out, robbed parker of his character to a certain extent. Had those feelings of animosity and spite been shown and shown clearly, it would have given more depth to tmags's portrayal of parker as well as, humanising the character the same way stan did, all those years ago.
People need to know and understand that, Peter, especially as a teenager wasn't always the innocent, saint-like minded person people think he is.
That's where the whole 'with great power comes great responsibility' gets its meaning from...

it simply doesn't fit in with the film mythos spidey which real lesson should be '**** happens' which he still has a hard time coming to terms with and hence why he's still obsessed with his uncle's killer. A spiderman based on the original comic would have come to terms with it all but the movie one is completely driven on revenge...

he wanted revenge on goblin for what he was going to do to mj (i can live with this one)
revenge on ock for capturing MJ
Revenge on his uncle's killer both in the first movie and now in the second.

all these characters ended up dying and he felt no slight remorse for them, the fact he hasn't really learned anything comes with both him not making up with uncle ben in the dream sequence (acting as he did before he died) and also accepting MJ into his life when no more than a month before he was turning her down.

it clearly shows this isn't peter parker in any sense of the hero idealism...simply because they've robbed him of the growth required, he's still merely a dopy eyed child with powers, they should have named the films spider-boy...
 
That first sentence was too LLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG, dude!

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison of Spidey flicks with Hulk, Supes and X-men. I would type more but my hands are freezing!

And I too can't be arsed finding the Raimi is/is not (delete as appropriate) thread. :)
Ha, simple...

a line from each film could simply show this...

x-men-wolverine's cage fight, he doesn't say anything but in those 2 minutes, you know everything you need to know about the character, possibly the greatest character set up in any film ever....

x-men 2- Magneto telling Pyro he's a god among insects...

Superman Returns - Supes telling Lois that even though she doesn't think the world needs a superman, he hears millions of people crying out for one.

Hulk- Bruce continually describing to betty his hulk experiences after two sets of transformations, bruce eating loads to refill his obviously used up food reserves, a repressed man referring to the freedom and joy he felt in exploding with the freedom, the ultimate burden he carries as the hulk when he tells his dad to try and take and deal with the extent of his powers, the peace you see on the hulk's eye when he's not bothered, the blatant relationship bruce and betty share without ever needing a cliche kiss, bruce and hulk's first realisation of each other and the hulk's ability to save people instinctively even though they'd rather have him dead (pilot).

I know dragon may disagree with me on some of these points, mostly hulk ones but ni glimmers of these films, i felt at ease...

In the spidey films, i felt at ease when the fights were on but none of the parker roles, especially in 2 really sit well with me and i'm fairly sure hell would freeze over before he disagreed with his uncle in a dream sequence, or at least didn't feel emotional in seeing him again.

this is why i don't get the raimi loving, he's done as basic a spiderman films as you can get away with, but with some serious sugar coating, he's managed to get away with it. funny how ratner tried the same thing with x-men 3 and it got commercial sucess but not as much fan love.

i'll stop ranting now.
 
Also in X2 when Pyro looked at the picture of Bobby with his family, the look on Pyro's face convayed everything by the look, there was no need for dialoge.

Raimi drags scenes out sometimes. Like Peter eating cake with that girl, it seemed pointless to me.
 
Also in X2 when Pyro looked at the picture of Bobby with his family, the look on Pyro's face convayed everything by the look, there was no need for dialoge.

Raimi drags scenes out sometimes. Like Peter eating cake with that girl, it seemed pointless to me.

This is true. I never really got that, but perhaps it's symbolic of two misfits finding shelter or something finally? :huh:

I'm reaching here.
 
That's where the whole 'with great power comes great responsibility' gets its meaning from...

Exactly! I want to see spidey's humanity, the one that I can relate to. He has feelings of pain, hurt, anger, revenge and spite but its how he reacts, responds and acts upon his feelings. I want spidey to come to terms with the fact that, he has a responsibility to himself and the people he comes into contact with, wether they're good or bad. Spidey does what is right but sometimes, he does contemplate and think ill-coceived thoughts. Responsibility. A defining trait of spider-man that hasn't been properly realised in these movies.

it simply doesn't fit in with the film mythos spidey which real lesson should be '**** happens' which he still has a hard time coming to terms with and hence why he's still obsessed with his uncle's killer. A spiderman based on the original comic would have come to terms with it all but the movie one is completely driven on revenge...

I wasn't too thrilled to see Peter's day dreams being haunted by his uncle's ghost in sm2 to be honest because it was handled badly in having pete, reject uncle ben's plea to stick with it (pun not intended). That was so out of characeter and what kills it, pete didn't even try, it sort of made ben's death meaningless what with all the life lessons he passed on to pete being thrown right back in his face and as cheesy as it may have been, pete's decision to return to the webs found no resolution with ben. Sad.
To be honest, Peter should have come to terms and accepted his responsibilities by the time the 1st movie ended but events in sm2 show that, he hadn't fully grasped the concept of being a superhero and a young man who had a personal life with responsibilities. Thats one of the things I loved about the comics. Peter didn't dwell for too long on the sacrifices he had to make in order to do the right thing. He was selfless and did whatever would have a bigger impact. However, he still managed to balance his normal life and being spider-man to an almost acceptable degree.

he wanted revenge on goblin for what he was going to do to mj (i can live with this one)
revenge on ock for capturing MJ
Revenge on his uncle's killer both in the first movie and now in the second.

One thing that annoyed me was that, Peter seemed more bothered by GG knowing who he was than what GG did to his poor old aunt May and then when he finds out that GG has MJ, Peter was out of the hospital faster than a cheetah doped up on speed.
However, I'll admit that I never got the impression that Peter wanted revenge on Ock for kidnapping MJ. He just wanted to find her and stop him but I dont think it was out of revenge.
As for sandman, I think that Peter's definately right to feel the way he does in that marko is out there and no one knows where he is but I think it changes things if spider-man meets marko once he's actually become sandman. If Pete is acting vengeful on marko pre-sandman then thats just wrong and going too far BUT if its marko post/current sandman then its understandable because, sandman is an even bigger and harder threat to overcome and bring to justice, which will only fuel peter's anger and determination....(which no doubt is what attracts the symbiot) but still, I suppose it doesn't make it right.

all these characters ended up dying and he felt no slight remorse for them, the fact he hasn't really learned anything comes with both him not making up with uncle ben in the dream sequence (acting as he did before he died) and also accepting MJ into his life when no more than a month before he was turning her down.

Yeah, movie pete's character is flawed and full of inconsistencies and its so glaringly annoying. The only "in-character" behaviour in regards to what your saying is, when Peter tried to talk to ock just before the end but that was ruined by the fact that peter had his damn mask off, huge error.

it clearly shows this isn't peter parker in any sense of the hero idealism...simply because they've robbed him of the growth required, he's still merely a dopy eyed child with powers, they should have named the films spider-boy...

Absoloutly, spot on.
 
Ha, simple...

a line from each film could simply show this...

x-men-wolverine's cage fight, he doesn't say anything but in those 2 minutes, you know everything you need to know about the character, possibly the greatest character set up in any film ever....

x-men 2- Magneto telling Pyro he's a god among insects...

Superman Returns - Supes telling Lois that even though she doesn't think the world needs a superman, he hears millions of people crying out for one.

Hulk- Bruce continually describing to betty his hulk experiences after two sets of transformations, bruce eating loads to refill his obviously used up food reserves, a repressed man referring to the freedom and joy he felt in exploding with the freedom, the ultimate burden he carries as the hulk when he tells his dad to try and take and deal with the extent of his powers, the peace you see on the hulk's eye when he's not bothered, the blatant relationship bruce and betty share without ever needing a cliche kiss, bruce and hulk's first realisation of each other and the hulk's ability to save people instinctively even though they'd rather have him dead (pilot).

I know dragon may disagree with me on some of these points, mostly hulk ones but ni glimmers of these films, i felt at ease...

In the spidey films, i felt at ease when the fights were on but none of the parker roles, especially in 2 really sit well with me and i'm fairly sure hell would freeze over before he disagreed with his uncle in a dream sequence, or at least didn't feel emotional in seeing him again.

this is why i don't get the raimi loving, he's done as basic a spiderman films as you can get away with, but with some serious sugar coating, he's managed to get away with it. funny how ratner tried the same thing with x-men 3 and it got commercial sucess but not as much fan love.

i'll stop ranting now.

I'm sorry, but I really can't forgive those films for being quite rubbish, whatever little character intricacies they have remained faithful to. The facts are that these films diverged significantly in many ways from the source (sometimes for the better, granted)....

And that they were crap (not X or X2).

Also your example of Lois and Lex is odd, given that Kevin Spacey was rubbish.
 
I know that it is a terrible video and I also know that it has nothing to do with Spidey3, but at the end of the video, the news speaker says: "Rod (or someone else) is here with a preview of S...." then the video ends.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmjvSM3x86o

Has anyone seen that report? I want to know if it was a preview of Spider-man 3. I know that it could be anything else starting with a "S", but I'm so excited right now and I just want to know if it is "S"pidey3 or not...
 

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