The Spider-Man 3 First Look Thread [Merged]

[lordofthenerds]

Finally got to watch that slow bastard its nothing earth shattering but its cool for a first time watch

Agreed, it took them long enough.

 

[dark_b]

that's exactly what they are doing but overselling and advertising a film can be it's own demise...

if you are sure of your final product, you don't have to dress it up in a fancy bow, when it's revealed, it'll shine for itself.

i agree. its called good word of mouth. if the movie is good people will talk about it.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Nov.Rain, there isn't any counterpoint. You are trying to narrow my comments down to one character, Sandman, when I'm speaking in general of the whole. There is no doubt what-so-ever, that Sam has an unspoken understanding of the characters in the Spiderman World than Singer has of the Superman World... which was my point.

Just look at what you are saying... when I read your post, it is Full of Assumptions(FoA). You speak as if you know exactly what's going to happen... and you don't.... I assume. You don't know fr sure what going to happen; yet along, if Sandman is truely Uncle Ben's killer. Whelther he is or not, does not change the fact, that Sam Raimi has a devout understanding, and if I may add, usage of the characters in the Spiderman World.... much better than Brian Singer LOL!

 

[M.E.H.Z.E.B]

Merging the two threads. It'll be better this way.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

I still don't understand the need to make ALL villains related to Peter Parker. What will come next? Aunt May as Vultura?

 

[Ziz]

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/spiderman3.html

Trailer's up on Yahoo.

 

[3 Dev Adam]

HD yay!

 

[Dragon]

well there are a few things that generally point towards me thinking she is british...

although not in this timeline but in the ultimate world, she has been seen wearing a union jack top.

also although not stan's, Juggernaut and betsy braddock don't come across as stereotypical brits either in comics. Saying this though, i've just looked up jugsy on wikipedia and according to it, he's actually an american born and raised...

The fact the her accent was never made an issue may simply be due to her having a colloquial accent or not having a different speech.

What you say about Gwen and her family possibly coming from the states and emigrating to the UK could very well be true, my only concern is if this was indeed the case, surely she would have been well known as being born in the states like the rest of spidey's main cast but her past is mysteriously unknown and usually with mystery doesn't come the mundane, but the contraversial.

In this case, the lack of clarification in the area would be enough to suggest that it wasn't that simple and gives me reason to believe that there are grounds for her being british...

besides, if her family did come from the states, she wouldn't have had to go all the way to UK to be near family, there'd be stacys based on mainland america for her to visit.

Honestly, I think the one reason Stan placed Arthur and his wife in Britain was to give more drama to the separation in ASM 94-98. It's not as big a deal if she went to her Aunt Flo's in Sheboygen as Uncle Arthur's in London. And it isn't as though, with a name like Stacy they could place her with relatives from much any place else.

But I agree that there was too much of Gwen's background left open. Which is why, even though I love ASM #121 & 122, it's always pissed me off that they killed Gwen off, saying there was nothing else they could do with her. IMO, she had far more potential as a character than MJ ever has. But that's another debate.

 

[November Rain]

Nov.Rain, there isn't any counterpoint. You are trying to narrow my comments down to one character, Sandman, when I'm speaking in general of the whole. There is no doubt what-so-ever, that Sam has an unspoken understanding of the characters in the Spiderman World than Singer has of the Superman World... which was my point.

Just look at what you are saying... when I read your post, it is Full of Assumptions(FoA). You speak as if you know exactly what's going to happen... and you don't.... I assume. You don't know fr sure what going to happen; yet along, if Sandman is truely Uncle Ben's killer. Whelther he is or not, does not change the fact, that Sam Raimi has a devout understanding, and if I may add, usage of the characters in the Spiderman World.... much better than Brian Singer LOL!

raimi's attempt at tranlation in comparision to singer's attempts at adaptation isn't really in debate here..

i've never said anything about superman. there relationship to one another doesn't prove that raimi has an understanding of the character, especially when he's failed to keep the underlying factors of what makes a character a character.

if you wish to change the influences sure but when you start changing their motivations without even realising you are doing so, then your/raimi's understanding is incredibly flawed.

Raimi has quite clearly underminded the freedom it was to become spidey and the power lust that peter once had, which fueled his arrogance which also was why he let his killer's uncle get past, it wasn't a act of revenge to get back at a box office for underpaying him because he wanted funds to get a girl. This same girl that he forsakes the words of the person he thinks he allowed to die and his responsibilities to then be with because his love for her affects his powers.

Now that's just poor understanding considering it's all done and quite clearly set out in a single comic, the very first spiderman comic back in the days of simple dialogue to carry a story. Anyone with basic level comprehension can see parker wasn't the nicest/most selfless of people once he got his powers and that was his character flaw which caused for him to change rather than someone wanting revenge for wrongs done to him.

I know this may seem trivial but as seen in the films, such a slight change can almost have an unrecognisable universe of a character on screen which just as may be someone else having been bitten by the spider instead.

I dunno, to get something like that wrong when it's covered in an issue i would have made mandatory for everyone involved with the film read a million times is not a great understanding of the character.

as much as supes and the hulk may have not been received as well and x-men may have been kinda dull, I think at least the essence of the major characters were reached in at least some points during the film while parker has forever remained absent from what i would describe him as.

as for the assumptions, well you're assuming he isn't the killer so why are yours any more valid than mine? One its not like the spidey films have been the most complex films ever made and two, due to the stories they are based on, they are always fairly easy to follow/predict, or at least i have felt so with the last two. I was only stating my opinion anywho, you are free to discard it.




oh, anyone who wishes to reply to this post, please do so in the relevant place, i don't want to direct this thread off course, just send me the relevant link so i can reply appropriately.

thanks

 

[November Rain]

Honestly, I think the one reason Stan placed Arthur and his wife in Britain was to give more drama to the separation in ASM 94-98. It's not as big a deal if she went to her Aunt Flo's in Sheboygen as Uncle Arthur's in London. And it isn't as though, with a name like Stacy they could place her with relatives from much any place else.

But I agree that there was too much of Gwen's background left open. Which is why, even though I love ASM #121 & 122, it's always pissed me off that they killed Gwen off, saying there was nothing else they could do with her. IMO, she had far more potential as a character than MJ ever has. But that's another debate.

hmmm, did she ever refer to england as home in the comics, i don't actually have any comics with her in it until she died, kinda odd

indeed, it was as if she was invented only to be killed off later, so they didn't bother stretching her out but just gave her a role to fill out. oh well....

 

[Mr Jide]

Now that's just poor understanding considering it's all done and quite clearly set out in a single comic, the very first spiderman comic back in the days of simple dialogue to carry a story. Anyone with basic level comprehension can see parker wasn't the nicest/most selfless of people once he got his powers and that was his character flaw which caused for him to change rather than someone wanting revenge for wrongs done to him.

Thank you and well said. You know, you are the only person that has mentioned this besides me.
Back in the day when I was pointing out the errors and misrepresentations of the character, I too was stating that, at times, Peter could be quite mean.
In the comics he was depicted at times, of being a very spiteful person and had nasty thoughts of getting back at, regular people.
These were/are common behaviour patterns that people go through, especially those who have been victims of bullying and other forms of discrimination.
I think leaving those sort of attributes out, robbed parker of his character to a certain extent. Had those feelings of animosity and spite been shown and shown clearly, it would have given more depth to tmags's portrayal of parker as well as, humanising the character the same way stan did, all those years ago.
People need to know and understand that, Peter, especially as a teenager wasn't always the innocent, saint-like minded person people think he is.

 

[Dragon]

hmmm, did she ever refer to england as home in the comics, i don't actually have any comics with her in it until she died, kinda odd

indeed, it was as if she was invented only to be killed off later, so they didn't bother stretching her out but just gave her a role to fill out. oh well....

I have all of her run in the comics, and she never referred to England. Again, ASM #93 was the first hint of her having any connection there. I'll grant you the possibility of her Dad being from there and perhaps he might'vre travelled to the states, married an American and Gwen was born here. What's actually funny in hindsight is that Arthur didn't travel to the US for the funeral of his only brother.

But as far as killing her, the thing is that Stan intended for Gwen and Peter to marry. It was after he left the book that Gerry Conway, then only 19 years old decided with Romita and Roy Thomas that they should kill Gwen off. Conway wasn't really equipped to write a couple moving toward marriage. But his handling of Thor and Sif was many times worse IMO than Gwen. He actually had Sif sacrifice her own life to restore that of Thor's first girlfriend, and he didn't even have Thor shed a tear for Sif. And Sif had MANY times before placed herself in danger to protect Thor, fought alongside him and proven her love to be far deeper than the very boring Jane Foster who Stan wrote out of the book because there really was nothing else to do with her.

 

[drmick]

Raimi has quite clearly underminded the freedom it was to become spidey and the power lust that peter once had, which fueled his arrogance which also was why he let his killer's uncle get past, it wasn't a act of revenge to get back at a box office for underpaying him because he wanted funds to get a girl. This same girl that he forsakes the words of the person he thinks he allowed to die and his responsibilities to then be with because his love for her affects his powers.



as much as supes and the hulk may have not been received as well and x-men may have been kinda dull, I think at least the essence of the major characters were reached in at least some points during the film while parker has forever remained absent from what i would describe him as.






oh, anyone who wishes to reply to this post, please do so in the relevant place, i don't want to direct this thread off course, just send me the relevant link so i can reply appropriately.

thanks

That first sentence was too LLLLOOOOOOOONNNNNNNGGGGGGG, dude!

I have to respectfully disagree with your comparison of Spidey flicks with Hulk, Supes and X-men. I would type more but my hands are freezing!

And I too can't be arsed finding the Raimi is/is not (delete as appropriate) thread.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I still don't understand the need to make ALL villains related to Peter Parker. What will come next? Aunt May as Vultura?

It makes for satisfying story in terms of having sandman involved in uncle bens death (we still don't know that for sure). look at the GG and Doc Ock.....harry introduced norman osborn to peter which was a reasonable way for a connection. same goes for ock....harry introduced peter to Dr. Otto Octavious and the became friends, makes sense doesn't it? though we don't know what kind of conection brock has with peter. as long as it's a good enough connection to peter it's fine with me.

 

[Spiderine]

It makes for satisfying story in terms of having sandman involved in uncle bens death (we still don't know that for sure). look at the GG and Doc Ock.....harry introduced norman osborn to peter which was a reasonable way for a connection. same goes for ock....harry introduced peter to Dr. Otto Octavious and the became friends, makes sense doesn't it? though we don't know what kind of conection brock has with peter. as long as it's a good enough connection to peter it's fine with me.

The fact that they both work at the Daily Bugle is one connection.

 

[Eggyman]

The fact that they both work at the Daily Bugle is one connection.

Yeah, that's the obvious one, but I'm sure I read in one of what could be a thousand interviews that they also had another connection (and in the interview they made the connection sound important) making me think that they may not go the whole hog with the ultimate's history, but at least accredit it in some way . . .

 

[3 Dev Adam]

Maybe Brock is Peter's clone.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Yeah, that's the obvious one, but I'm sure I read in one of what could be a thousand interviews that they also had another connection (and in the interview they made the connection sound important) making me think that they may not go the whole hog with the ultimate's history, but at least accredit it in some way . . .

I personally don't think they are using the ultimate storyline for eddie brock (I don't like the ultimate series) because sam likes the classic comic books and he likes staying true to the original origin of eddie brock, peter and brocks connection must be indeed and interesting one because I don't see what kind of connection they have but it will be entertaining to see how it plays out on film.

Originally Posted by spiderine
The fact that they both work at the Daily Bugle is one connection.

yep, sam probably made up his own connection for peter and brovk rather than going the ultimate versions way. there are possibilities and plenty of ideas to have brock have a personal connection to peter that could be totally made up but work well on film but not going too far fetched and not making it too corny.

 

[Sentinel X]

no, it doesn't make sense. there are different levels of danger, just like there are different intensities of his spider sense.

imagine this, say a criminal brings out a gun, spider-man's sense starts a bit of a centralized tingling, then as the criminal is about to fire the weapon, in addition to that tingling, there's a sharp tingling at the exact spot on his body the bullet is supposed to hit, the criminal fires, spider-man gets that spot on his body out of the way, and that tingling on that spot goes away. that's why he's able to dodge so many bullets at once. but a centralized low tingling still remains as he is still in the presense of a criminal with a gun.

the only time spider-man's sense doesn't work properly is in the rain. but no matter how much danger is around, spider-man's sense should be able to adjust.

sandman's around, low buzzing, he's about to strike, high buzzing.

Okay whatever...Im not going to waste my life arguing about psuedoscience.
Im just giving a basic point...you can take or leave it

 

[Eggyman]

yep, sam probably made up his own connection for peter and brovk rather than going the ultimate versions way. there are possibilities and plenty of ideas to have brock have a personal connection to peter that could be totally made up but work well on film but not going too far fetched and not making it too corny.

Yeah, actually thinkin more about it, I have to say I think the connection that was hinted at has to be Gwen -- so obvious now that it comes to mind

 

[dark_b]

The fact that they both work at the Daily Bugle is one connection.

the other connection will also be that peter will go after gwen. and gwen and eddie for together in hte past. another connection.
so i guess eddie will hate peter because of the daily bugle and becuase of gwen.

 

[dark_b]

http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/spiderman3.html

Trailer's up on Yahoo.

a preview in HD? holly****. i never sawanything like that.

 

[YodatheHobbit]

a preview in HD? holly****. i never sawanything like that.

Are you guys saying that the First Look preview is in HD on that page? All I see are the teaser and trailer 1. They've been available in HD from apple.com since they first premiered, haven't they??

 

[dark_b]

Are you guys saying that the First Look preview is in HD on that page? All I see are the teaser and trailer 1. They've been available in HD from apple.com since they first premiered, haven't they??

i first wrotte the post then i got the the page. and yes i also can not find it.

 

[YodatheHobbit]

Oh, ok. *Sigh* I just wanted someting spider-man related to watch.