The Spoilers thread

Discussion in 'Black Widow' started by Web-Head, Jun 19, 2021.

  1. CaptainWagner I'm A Worrier, It's What I Do (P) (he/him)

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    But what's your point then? What do you mean by her being "morally whitewashed"?
     
  2. TheVileOne Registered

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    Loki was talking about Taskmaster.
     
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  3. Drizzle Penguin Silvia

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    I'm curious if Yelena, Alexei, and Melina survived the Snap. I'm sure we'll get the answer to what happened to Yelena in the time since BW in Hawkeye but if I had to guess I'd say they were all victims of Thanos since it's easier to explain their absence in Endgame that way. If Natasha was trying to find Clint so desperately during that time then there's no way she wouldn't have been just as relentless in her search for her other "family".
     
  4. Web-Head Oh boy yeah

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    You're right. I thought Loki was referring to Natasha as Dreykov's daughter in that scene before but he's referencing the bombing that we see in this film. That makes a lot of sense and is a good callback.
     
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  5. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    You don't agree with something I'm not even talking about. I'm saying that they shouldn't have advertised Hannah John Kamen as being in the movie or that she was even playing Ghost beforehand. Once she took off her mask in the film it could've proceeded exactly the same as it did. And since Ant-Man and the Wasp didn't have any opening credits that wouldn't have given away who was playing Ghost either.

    Even if they gave us plenty of characterisation for Taskmaster I still would've liked that they didn't reveal that Olga Kurylenko was playing her just as they did until the actual movie rather than beforehand in any marketing. And I'm saying Marvel should do that for other characters too.
     
  6. Web-Head Oh boy yeah

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    To an extent, they tried something similar to Mysterio in FFH. Most of us knew he was going to be the villain but a lot of the general audience didn't see it coming. I don't like that example though because it didn't really work for me and it makes a rewatch even harder since you're just waiting for the reveal.
     
  7. fan4stic Registered

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    I don't think the casting element really mattered, to me.
     
  8. fan4stic Registered

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    That's kinda what I mean. That the movie has the character have a moral high ground over Natasha, while I think it's not really taking much consideration on her actions.
     
  9. legendkillin Registered

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    I don't watch a lot of tv shows or recognize most actors/actresses so had no clue who Olga was or paid attention to the name. In my 2nd viewing I still didn't know if it was Olga or O.T. Fagenbale until I looked at the actual credits.
     
  10. Dark Raven It's not about what you deserve...

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    I knew Olga Kurylenko from Quantum of Solace where she was the main Bond girl. Also from Hitman. Any Bond fan would immediately recognise her name which is why I thought she would be Taskmaster as soon as her name popped up.

    I would've liked that they didn't show her name in the opening credits so that it would've been a complete surprise when Taskmaster's helmet came off and it was an actress I recognised and that it was a female. I knew Taskmaster would be female throughout the whole film because of her name.
     
  11. legendkillin Registered

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    He is a successful super soldier so he would be in danger. If the formula is similar to Steve's I would think Hydra or anyone looking to copy it would try to capture and run experiments.
     
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    I thought of the machine that Hydra tried to use in Cap 2 to find potential heroes.

    The fall was pretty over the top, I assume she kind of shoulder rolled on one and tried to break fall on a couple of other things. She still should have had more damage but she has been taking beatings in other movies.
     
  13. CaptainWagner I'm A Worrier, It's What I Do (P) (he/him)

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    Huh. I did not get that vibe at all.

    And speaking of the cast and the Taskmaster reveal - I love how everyone thought O.T. Fagenbale was Taskmaster because he wasn't in the trailer, but really that was because he was only in the movie for like 6 minutes max.
     
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  14. Albright Eeh…

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    Apple doesn’t allow villains to use Apple devices in movies
     
  15. fan4stic Registered

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    Am I missing something?
     
  16. Mr. Peanut Registered

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    The only time Yelena was on a "moral high ground" was when she went on about how she doesn't try to be a hero to little girls around the world, like BW became after joining the Avengers. The whole point of that exchange is that they both have the same past, only BW is trying to be a hero now.

    But I don't agree that that actually puts Yelena on a moral high ground, or that the movie presented her to be objectively interpreted as such. The point is that Yelena did not really understand and/or appreciate how much Natasha changed or how much effort she'd put in to atone for her past. Yelena was ultimately just being cynical.
     
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    Anyone else think Taskmaster will lead the freed Widows as some type of mercenaries in the future? Good, neutral or evil?
     
  18. NHawk19 insert witty comment

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    Heavily spoilered but funny

     
  19. CaptainWagner I'm A Worrier, It's What I Do (P) (he/him)

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    Sorry, I meant that I didn't get what you meant by Yelena being "morally whitewashed" if not that she's an overly "good" person.
     
  20. SPO2 Dalisay Rebel in exile, again.

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    I only saw it once but it looked like as a forward observer Natasha never saw her target she targeted his daughter with the assumption that the girl would go to him. And Barton denotated the bomb on that best guess information.

    I guess Clint handled the red in his ledger better than Romanoff did.
     
  21. fan4stic Registered

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    Wasn't it said that they didn't find a body? Why didn't they get the daughter's body, as well?
     
  22. Web-Head Oh boy yeah

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    Natasha did say there wasn't any body left to find but that was her assuming the bombing worked and actually took them both out
     
  23. fan4stic Registered

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    I think that seems like kinda a dumb thing to assume, for Natasha and SHIELD. If the daughter could survive the explosion, how could it be big enough to make it so there was nothing to find?
     
  24. Mr. Peanut Registered

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    Wouldn't it depend entirely on the random chance of how close they happened to be to the bomb when it detonated?

    Also there's the factor of the fire burning everything down afterwards.
     
  25. eddy Make Mine Marvel

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    If the movie made it clear he was working for the Russians then I'm pretty sure that the movie would've been banned in Russia lol. I just assumed that they are in a not quite official part of the govt status like Shield is more international than beholden to the U.S. govt.
     

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