The Squared Circle

[LastSunrise1981]

I'll probably borrow the Raise Hell DVD from my ex girlfriend when she buys it.

Mainly I'll watch it for his matches with Bret Hart, The Undertaker, The Rock, and Triple H. It'll also be nice to see it just for his Hollywood Blonde days with Brian Pillman.

 

[The Sage]

As I said, Cena doesn't have the same presence or promo electricity that say The Rock had. Austin was an excellent promo individual but his was more of the same day in and day out. The Rock gave absolute gold promos with his comedic timing and his harsh honesty obviously.

Cena, well, the crowd did cheer but to be fair the crowd really wasn't that loud at all. But then again the crowd should've erupted when Jericho returned and they didn't. I definitely feel fans today tend to be fickle and only go with what's cool, rather than actually going with the individual with the real talent and the ability to have great matches.

I would REALLY love it if Cena pulled a Rock like heel turn and just became a vicious badass who is also a smartass.

The audience goes with the more charismatic guy they connect with. It's always been that way.

And Mickie recieved a serious reaction. Glad to see Victoria on RAW. Looks like Victoria and Mickie will be carrying this one.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Cena, well, the crowd did cheer but to be fair the crowd really wasn't that loud at all. But then again the crowd should've erupted when Jericho returned and they didn't. I definitely feel fans today tend to be fickle and only go with what's cool, rather than actually going with the individual with the real talent and the ability to have great matches.

Seriously dude, that pop was monstrous and how the hell is popping over the guy that some sections of the US loathe, the "cool" thing to do, just give credit for once man. As for the Y2J thing, you really need to get over the fact not many share your avid appreciation of the guy, ppl will cheer who they care about and who entertains them.

 

[The Sage]

Mickie James is TEH AWESOME.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Seriously dude, that pop was monstrous and how the hell is popping over the guy that some sections of the US loathe, the "cool" thing to do, just give credit for once man. As for the Y2J thing, you really need to get over the fact not many share your avid appreciation of the guy, ppl will cheer who they care about and who entertains them.

I just have the perspective that some fans actually have taste and while certain fans love Cena, these are the same fans who will cheer a Vince McMahon kiss my ass segment too. So I really don't have much respect for a lot of wrestling fans these days.

 

[Hunter Rider]

And Mickie recieved a serious reaction. Glad to see Victoria on RAW. Looks like Victoria and Mickie will be carrying this one.

Mickie has been getting some of the best pops ive ever seen a female wrestler get, glad to see she won tonight, although i had hoped to see some beef with Victoria and Beth so we'd get a match between those 2.

 

[strikezone89]

where did regal go?!

 

[Hunter Rider]

I just have the perspective that some fans actually have taste and while certain fans love Cena, these are the same fans who will cheer a Vince McMahon kiss my ass segment too. So I really don't have much respect for a lot of wrestling fans these days.

Oh i give up, sit up there on your little fantasy cloud where you are a "real" fan and the rest of us are just schmucks, i am tired of this.

 

[The Sage]

where did regal go?!

The commercial cut the segment off for you too?

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Well Shawn has always been able to get around Vince better than most.

I don't think that is true, Raven said that Heyman was the master of working the smarks b/c they were so up their own ass that they were easier to play, all promoters give the fans of their product what they want, if they didn't they'd be out of business. Paul's greatest strength was taking mediocre to poor talent and showcasing their strengths, Vince major problem is that he wants to shoehorn guys into characters and styles that are not them.

The only part of that which rings true to me is the December to Dismember/Chamber layout story. That and the one where Vince said that "For all I know, the Hammerstein Ballroom fans are the last of the ECW fans" and that WWE fans chant ECW "Because I educated them to".

The rest of it you take with a truckload of salt because Paul Heyman is the one telling it to you. Heyman is entertaining as hell, and part of why he's so entertaining is because he's a damn good liar. Much like Jake the Snake. But other than the two stories I mentioned, the rest of that article is probably bunk. Entertaining bunk, but bunk nonetheless.

 

[Fading]

That was one of the better WWE women's matches I've seen in awhile, even if it did end pretty fast. Also thought Mickie hurt herself for a bit.

So their going to bring back the Kiss my ass club tonight with Hornswaggle being the one to pucker huh? My guess, Finlay comes in and Sheleahlies (however you spell it) Vince's nuts when he turns his cheeks to Hornswaggle, and Hornswaggle runs out of the ring. Thus setting up the rumored Finaly and Hornswaggle vs. Mcmahon match.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Oh i give up, sit up there on your little fantasy cloud where you are a "real" fan and the rest of us are just schmucks, i am tired of this.

Not a fantasy world, it is a real world. If fans actually had taste you wouldn't have the Vince McMahon kiss my ass club or the upcoming incest angle.

 

[The Sage]

Jericho received a pop a little close to what HBK received.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The only part of that which rings true to me is the December to Dismember/Chamber layout story. That and the one where Vince said that "For all I know, the Hammerstein Ballroom fans are the last of the ECW fans" and that WWE fans chant ECW "Because I educated them to".

The rest of it you take with a truckload of salt because Paul Heyman is the one telling it to you. Heyman is entertaining as hell, and part of why he's so entertaining is because he's a damn good liar. Much like Jake the Snake. But other than the two stories I mentioned, the rest of that article is probably bunk. Entertaining bunk, but bunk nonetheless.

Heh, true true, Heyman is oldschool carny. t:

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Another dead reaction for Jericho. Whar a show of disrespect to a great talent such as Jericho.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Not a fantasy world, it is a real world. If fans actually had taste you wouldn't have the Vince McMahon kiss my ass club or the upcoming incest angle.

You're right, we are all not real fans and have no taste, you are better than us all, your views on what is good taste is fact.

 

[The Sage]

Did Jeff Hardy just receive a louder pop than both HBK and Jericho?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Another dead reaction for Jericho. Whar a show of disrespect to a great talent such as Jericho.

They popped massive for HBK and just now for Hardy, why can you not accept that some just are not that into him.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Glad to see a great reaction for Jeff Hardy. But to be honest, I'm more into RAW shows where they take place in Canada, Japan, and Europe where the crowds are really into the shows and go crazy, boo the boring stuff, and boo the stupid stuff.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Did Jeff Hardy just receive a louder pop than both HBK and Jericho?

Than Y2J ? yes, not more so than HBK IMO.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

They popped massive for HBK and just now for Hardy, why can you not accept that some just are not that into him.

Because Jericho deserves a lot of respect and anyone who denies his talent doesn't understand nor do they respect wrestling. Jericho has put on several wrestling classics in his career and no one can deny that.

 

[The Sage]

Glad to see a great reaction for Jeff Hardy.

Yah, I can't believe they popped louder than Jericho for that non-talented punk Hardy. TEH FANBASE IS ROOINED. t:

Than Y2J ? yes, not more so than HBK IMO.

It was either louder or equal to HBK.

 

[NDX]

Than Y2J ? yes, not more so than HBK IMO.

I would say Hardy's pop was on par with HBK's.

 

[TNC9852002]

Mickie James is TEH AWESOME.

Another dead reaction for Jericho. Whar a show of disrespect to a great talent such as Jericho.

Well, Jericho has been away for a long time and there have been a lot of "new" and young fans coming into the mix that aren't as familiar with him and what he's done.

-TNC

 

[NDX]

Because Jericho deserves a lot of respect and anyone who denies his talent doesn't understand nor do they respect wrestling. Jericho has put on several wrestling classics in his career and no one can deny that.

Or maybe they just don't like him and couldn't give 2 ****s because they have Hardy and HBK. JBL got a decent heel reaction.

Umaga comes out to damn near total silence.