The Story.

[GhostPoet]

BB didn't invent the story themes it has :P

 

[hopefuldreamer]

So I was reading Action comics issue #2, and was struck by the strong similarity between what we are seeing in the comics reboot, and what was rumoured back in april to be plot spoilers for MOS. Does anyone else think maybe that's what happened... the plot for Action Comics reboot got passed around and chinease whispers fed it out as MOS details?

General Sam Lane, the father of Lois Lane, is a central figure in director Zack Snyder’s Superman reboot. This really is as Zack described in several interviews about the film, a “real world” Superman. I’m told that when Superman arrives on the scene; people don’t know what to think. He’s an alien from another planet. What are his real intentions? He’s not human and that scares a lot of people. Here’s a guy who can fly, see through walls, is bullet proof and can lift a tank. The military views him as a potential threat to national security. They find kryptonite, pieces of his home planet, and discover its radioactive elements can be harnessed as a near unlimited source of power, both literally and figuratively. It’s a brand new form of energy that is secretly developed by the government. The military, under the direction of General Sam Lane, uses kryptonite to power an experimental cyborg super solider named Metallo. He’s ultimately exploited as a weapon against Superman.

http://www.movienewz.com/superman-reboot-plot-details-revealed/

 

[BlueLantern]

That sounds like ******** unless General Lane and Corben are gonna get cast very late in the day. If so, then why cast Zod anyway?

I like the idea for Action Comics since I think giving the arc a few issues is better than compressing it into a film. If it's done on film it'll also just seem like a rehash of the Incredible Hulk and Iron Man plot.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Did you even read my post?

I was saying I think someone may have gotten mixed up, and that 'leaked plot info' for MOS was actually meant to be for the comics reboot...

I never thought it was legit for MOS, but it came in the same article that gave us the official descrip back in april... so I wondered where that info had come from.

This might be why.

 

[KRIM]

I don't think Metallo was ever a villain in any of the early drafts for MOS. I think it's just a coincidence. Not like that plot is wholly original and drastic deviation from the lore. It's a natural direction, really.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I don't think Metallo was ever a villain in any of the early drafts for MOS. I think it's just a coincidence. Not like that plot is wholly original and drastic deviation from the lore. It's a natural direction, really.

I give up... apparently no one is seeing what i'm getting at.

 

[KRIM]

I'm failing to see where I misread you. Did you not indicate the supposed synopsis for MOS might've been mistaken for Action Comics?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Your response was that you don't think Metallo was a villain in any of the early drafts for MOS, and that the similarity was a coincidence... (which I completely agree with btw, and never stated anything remotely questioning that)

How is that a response to me saying that supposed synopsis may have actually been leaked info about the COMICS reboot?

Maybe i'm misreading you...

 

[KRIM]

Sorta. The Metallo comment wasn't directly related to the succeeding sentence.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Oh right...

In response to everything that came after your first sentence then:

Could be a coincidence. Does hit very close to the mark though. General Lane being a central figure, treating him as a threat to national security, and the cyborg 'super soldier' metallo...

 

[manofsteel4life]

I give up... apparently no one is seeing what i'm getting at.

Lol I got u

 

[Marvin]

Please no Kryptonite powered villains or Parasite in this new franchise. Last thing we need is the Smallville producers influence.

Just keep it away. It would be like a terminator(2) movie but the villain drains his power by being around. I hope they keep the threats physical and tangible. So far zod is an excellent choice.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Lol I got u

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Please no Kryptonite powered villains or Parasite in this new franchise. Last thing we need is the Smallville producers influence.

Just keep it away. It would be like a terminator(2) movie but the villain drains his power by being around. I hope they keep the threats physical and tangible. So far zod is an excellent choice.

You just named two of my favourite Superman villains!

And it Metallo doesn't have to be done terminator style. One thing Smallville got right was giving John Corben an on screen look that was clearly cyborg but not terminator.

 

[Marvin]

You just named two of my favourite Superman villains!

And it Metallo doesn't have to be done terminator style. One thing Smallville got right was giving John Corben an on screen look that was clearly cyborg but not terminator.

You missed my point with the terminator reference. The point being when Kryptonite is involved, producers always take advantage of the opportunity to show a depowered superman fight. It's very aggravating and I can imagine an audience waiting to see the most powerful hero around fighting a depowered battle. It would be like doomsday shows up on the big screen but holding a rock of kryptonite in his left hand. Which would be the typical smallville approach to such a thing.

Metallo is great, but in the context of a film (and not a comicbook) it's just a wasted opportunity. He opens his chest and superman either drops to his knees or fights depowered battle. It's even worse with parasite. This two concepts ran their course on Smallville. If superman is going to get outclassed it should be while he's still super.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Okay yeah, I do get what you mean, and I certainly wouldn't have wanted it for the first film, nor would I want either of them as the main villain.

But as a tool used by Lex or Intergang, I think it could be great for a sequel.

I love how it was handled in the animated Superman/Batman Public Enemies for example.

I wasn't crazy about Zod as the villain for this film at first, because of the obvious fears of a connection between this and Superman 2.

But everything so far seems promising, and the more I think about the possibilities it opens up, the more excited I get.

Especially with Shannon as Zod. Another thing I wasn't sold on until I read his interviews. I like his style, his approach to acting, and his approach to this character specifically seems right.

 

[Marvin]

I used to be down with the many uses of the rock but after many years of smallville and it's meteor rock crap every week I realized exactly what it means for superman in cinema. A lack of superman. And then Returns came along and I'd had it.

As for Zod. I think it's a great choice. Like spiderman's first villain being of similar circumstance that being human animal genetics. I'm feeling supermans first villain being another kryptonian. This is effective in really establishing the heros choice for you are presented with another who has every right to make the counter choice. Moreover what better way for the General Audience to learn the origin story and get it out of the way.

When it comes to up dating characters from the past it's always promising...just look at the done to death joker.

 

[Herolee10]

I'm still puzzled as to how Nolan and Goyer had approached making this story. From everything that we've seen thus far, all indications seem to be pointing that this is in fact a ORIGIN story for Superman; where they're supposedly approaching this origin story in the same elaborate manner that they did with Batman.

My question is, how the heck are they going to condense showing:

1. Krypton's Backstory

2. Clark's early years in Smallville

3. Clark's wandering days around the globe

4. The Arrival of Superman in Metropolis

5. Superman defeating Zod and gaining the trust of Earth's people as their hero


...within the timespan of a two hour movie?

I mean, is it possible that they'll actually focus more on Clark the man and have Superman saved for like the entire second act of the film?

Idk; I'm just confused right now as to how they plan on executing so many elaborate things for this story.

 

[Micromind]

I'm still puzzled as to how Nolan and Goyer had approached making this story. From everything that we've seen thus far, all indications seem to be pointing that this is in fact a ORIGIN story for Superman; where they're supposedly approaching this origin story in the same elaborate manner that they did with Batman.

My question is, how the heck are they going to condense showing:

1. Krypton's Backstory

2. Clark's early years in Smallville

3. Clark's wandering days around the globe

4. The Arrival of Superman in Metropolis

5. Superman defeating Zod and gaining the trust of Earth's people as their hero


...within the timespan of a two hour movie?

I mean, is it possible that they'll actually focus more on Clark the man and have Superman saved for like the entire second act of the film?

Idk; I'm just confused right now as to how they plan on executing so many elaborate things for this story.

You forget to add Clark Kent joining as a reporter in the Daily Planet with glasses and meeting Jimmy Olsen.

 

[Herolee10]

You forget to add Clark Kent joining as a reporter in the Daily Planet with glasses and meeting Jimmy Olsen.

Assuming if Jimmy is even in the movie.lol

I'm still hoping that they don't focus more on Superman conquering Outer world threats than helping out with domestic/Earth based villainy.

I mean, there aren't that many comic book hero films that I can remember now as of late that has a good hero who tackles the every day villainy and crimes we have on Earth, whether it be bank robberies, murder, theft, rape, etc.

And Superman is actually one of the few heroes that I know that patrols the streets as much as he battles powerful aliens or stops disasters.

 

[Micromind]

I mean, there aren't that many comic book hero films that I can remember now as of late that has a good hero who tackles the every day villainy and crimes we have on Earth, whether it be bank robberies, murder, theft, rape, etc.

There is Batman for that.

(and Spider-man is supposed to do that too but he doesn't.)

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I guess a good way of keeping the villains story relevant throughout the film would be to have Zod and Faora arrive on earth long before they 'out' themselves, and learn about our world.

And you tie Lois in with Clark's wandering stage by having her chasing the story of a man saving people and then dissapearing.

It is a lot to cram into the film... Esepcially since we know there are a lot of army attack scenes as well.

I'd say his younger years in Smallville is going to be minimal, but with the look of Jor-el's costume, we are definitely going to be seeing at least one full scene on Krypton.

As for how they are going to fit in the 'every day heroism'... I have no idea!

It's bloody exciting though

 

[Marvin]

I'm still puzzled as to how Nolan and Goyer had approached making this story. From everything that we've seen thus far, all indications seem to be pointing that this is in fact a ORIGIN story for Superman; where they're supposedly approaching this origin story in the same elaborate manner that they did with Batman.

My question is, how the heck are they going to condense showing:

1. Krypton's Backstory

2. Clark's early years in Smallville

3. Clark's wandering days around the globe

4. The Arrival of Superman in Metropolis

5. Superman defeating Zod and gaining the trust of Earth's people as their hero


...within the timespan of a two hour movie?

I mean, is it possible that they'll actually focus more on Clark the man and have Superman saved for like the entire second act of the film?

Idk; I'm just confused right now as to how they plan on executing so many elaborate things for this story.

My fear is that it's going to feel like batman begins, briskly moving through all these situations and scenarios to the point where some people(such as myself) don't feel any impact from the movie outside of a superficial one. For instance, there have been movies about people that take their battered lives to a monastery and come out better men, there are also movies about people that lose out on closure to the corrupt justice system and so on. Begins runs though these things and it falls softly(imo especially bat's training). Man of Steel might do this.

Moreover, if this was a nolan/goyer movie it would be a fine question, but at what point did we stop including Snyder in the discussion? I assume he will return(with a vengeance) if it fails.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Snyder is the director yes, and he may have even made a few changes to the story - but it is an idea from the brains of Goyer/Nolan, so when we're talking about the story itself we are mainly discussing their contribution.

 

[Marvin]

Snyder is the director yes, and he may have even made a few changes to the story - but it is an idea from the brains of Goyer/Nolan, so when we're talking about the story itself we are mainly discussing their contribution.

That seems to only happen in this instance. I mean no one ever mentions the writers when it comes to pretty much the only thing people can objectively bash about bay movies, Spielberg's "stories" over the years have been trasures and of course no one mentions the scripting when it comes to the "poor" stories of snyders past. I just find in this instance people are doing a great job of separating the writing from direction. And I seriously doubt they would had nolan not been involved in "polishing" goyers script (yet again)