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if you think someone wanting to do good things without being motivated by guilt can only be one dimensional, then i'd question your imagination.
if you think someone wanting to do good things without being motivated by guilt can only be one dimensional, then i'd question your imagination.
I don't think I said he was motivated by guilt, I think I put hope. However, someone just deciding to commit to being a hero without cause or reason is a dated concept and would leave the character lacking a lot. I think with the power he posseses, there's a chance he would struggle to use it safely especially when young and untrained and perhaps naive to the danger he potentially can be.
Also, why not provide him with all human emotions. He needs to be uphappy, scared, guilty, etc, otherwise there's no appreciation of being happy and hopeful, how can he try to provide & promote it without truly understanding it?
its common sense that you'd have to be careful with such powers. it doesnt require hurting/killing someone to understand that. theres better way to present personal struggles.
Superman does NOT need tragedy in his life to motivate him to do good and become Superman.
Also, Superman should NEVER, EVER kill someone, even if it's accidental early on in his career as Clark and/or Supes.
I don't think I said he was motivated by guilt, I think I put hope. However, someone just deciding to commit to being a hero without cause or reason is a dated concept and would leave the character lacking a lot. I think with the power he posseses, there's a chance he would struggle to use it safely especially when young and untrained and perhaps naive to the danger he potentially can be.
Also, why not provide him with all human emotions. He needs to be uphappy, scared, guilty, etc, otherwise there's no appreciation of being happy and hopeful, how can he try to provide & promote it without truly understanding it?
I don't think they need to lay the guilt on thick. I'm gonna bring it up again, but I love that in Birthright the guilt Clark feels is rooted in his overwhelming desire to help those around him. He sees so much suffering and to remain inactive in the face of that suffering is too much for him to handle. He has to do something about it. That's all the guilt you need.
Now, that doesn't take away the story potential for temptation...
Tragedy would not be the motivation to become what he becomes, but tragedy is part of life..it's especially part of life of a powerful person, actions have bigger consequences.
As for not killing someone accidentally whilst in the process of saving people, whilst young and unpracticed ...why not?? Why is it so wrong???
I will throw in that I would love to see some "control" shown and/or discussed. JLU did it for three minutes and SV did it for like ten minutes (Clark hangover) but it's never really talked about or displayed how careful he has to be all the time in every single situation.
The guy could sneeze and cause a 10 car pile-up and the fact that he maintains this control while still doing all of the spectacular things he does is - to me - another aspect of his character that I think people simply don't think about because nobody ever puts it out there.
As I've said before, some of my favorite stories are those like Peace On Earth and Birthright because they show a side of frustration that arises from not being able to be everywhere, all the time. So I say if we can show some frustration, how about we also show some gracefulness he has to maintain on an almost daily, all the time basis in order to keep those around him safe and appear normal.
Sounds as if they're adapting some of Birthright, which I think is a great idea.
That story could be faithfully adapted to screen, like Watchmen, and be a huge success. I really think Waid was writing it as if he were scripting a new Superman movie.
Fortunately, there has not been a single shred of information to suggest anything from Birthright is being "adapted" in MOS. Some rumors die hard.
If it were a direct to video anime, I would agree with you. A big screen adaptation of Birthright would be a real stinker and complete box office disaster. Birthright is best remembered as a failed attempt at Superman's origin, forgotten and discarded in the quarter bin, at your local comics shop.
I think MOS will go with a new origin story, completely unrelated to anything we have seen before in comics.
I'm sure we will all be pleasantly surprised with what they have in store for us!
I don't think I said he was motivated by guilt, I think I put hope. However, someone just deciding to commit to being a hero without cause or reason is a dated concept and would leave the character lacking a lot. I think with the power he posseses, there's a chance he would struggle to use it safely especially when young and untrained and perhaps naive to the danger he potentially can be.
Also, why not provide him with all human emotions. He needs to be uphappy, scared, guilty, etc, otherwise there's no appreciation of being happy and hopeful, how can he try to provide & promote it without truly understanding it?
Even though he's in Africa as a reporter in the beginning of Birthright, he almost came off like a Peace Corps volunteer...which is a great thing. Altruism is what Superman is all about, and seeing a young Clark doing the right thing in a different place was part of what made Birthright so special.
AntMan, the old TV series of Superman for an example, with George Reeves, character didn't out like the bumbling boyscout. It's time for Kent/Supes to graduate from that persona, and revert back to having a commanding persona.