The Story.

[Herolee10]

I think that's because it's probably hard to pull it off without it feeling weird or cheesy.

I mean, what do you do? Have him standing in front of a mirror giving himself a thumbs up? Or have him reveal it to a friend and then go 'I know, right?'

It's either that, or you see him holding the suit, and then you see him in the suit before flying off.

Seriously, how do you handle it?

I totally get where your coming from, and I want the suit to be more important too. I think having the suit be Kryptonian, having it basically be all that he has left of the world he comes from, will help. Especially if he puts on the suit after coming to terms with the truth of what happened on Krypton and embracing it.

But you can get a sense of how important it is to him from the script, not neccesarily from a scene in which he stares at it looking all broody.

lol; true.

And plus, the last thing we need is for MOS to repeat what L&C did by having Clark dress in several outfits in a montage sequence while the music "I Need a Hero" is playing in the background.lol

In any case, I just hope for a scene that shows the transition of Clark finally making that choice that will not only change his life forever but everyone's one Earth.

Heck, I'm still wondering on what kind of rescue that they'll have Superman do in this film that will act as his "official" introduction to the world that could somewhat top the airplane rescue scene in SR.

 

[manofsteel4life]

lol; true.

And plus, the last thing we need is for MOS to repeat what L&C did by having Clark dress in several outfits in a montage sequence while the music "I Need a Hero" is playing in the background.lol

In any case, I just hope for a scene that shows the transition of Clark finally making that choice that will not only change his life forever but everyone's one Earth.

Heck, I'm still wondering on what kind of rescue that they'll have Superman do in this film that will act as his "official" introduction to the world that could somewhat top the airplane rescue scene in SR.

I know that's what I'm wondering....I hope it's something that gives me goosebumps

 

[Herolee10]

Do you guys think that one of Superman's MAIN arcs for the film should be winning over the trust of the public in this film?

One of the common complaints and arguments that I've read is that in a modern day context, Superman wouldn't be as universally received by everyone on his first outlet like the previous films have shown.

Given that Superman isn't like Batman's character, should Superman's character be mainly received by everyone at the end of MOS, or should it be something that he has to earn throughout the entire franchise like Batman is doing?

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Do you guys think that one of Superman's MAIN arcs for the film should be winning over the trust of the public in this film?

One of the common complaints and arguments that I've read is that in a modern day context, Superman wouldn't be as universally received by everyone on his first outlet like the previous films have shown.

Given that Superman isn't like Batman's character, should Superman's character be mainly received by everyone at the end of MOS, or should it be something that he has to earn throughout the entire franchise like Batman is doing?

I think it's going to be something ongoing.

I don't think it'd be realistic to wrap all that up by the end of the film.

Perhaps he can get to a point where the army backs off and they come to some kind of agreement, but even then there are going to be those who are still paranoid.

I think the public should remain at least wary, for a long time.

I always liked the idea in Birthright, that part of the reason he likes Lois so much is because she's one of the only people he's ever met who never regarded him with fear.

It's something I hated about LnC too. Don't have her turn into a love sick puppy every time he's around. Have her treat him the same way she does everyone else, but just let her attraction to him be obvious at points. Being in fearless, take no prisoners mode... It's her defense mechanism too. And playing on that makes any moment when he does eventually get her to stop defensively rambling more potent

I also think it'd be nice to see Lois having to defend Superman in the media. The Daily Planet should play a big part in why Superman is seen as a hero instead of believing what's in the tabloids or talkshows.

 

[Herolee10]

I think the ONLY thing that I'm worried about is determining on what should be saved or how much of it for a potential sequel when sequels are never guaranteed.lol

I mean granted, I don't expect that Superman should win over the entire world at the end of his film, but for the sake of staying safe, would it be best if he were to win over at least Metropolis like he did in "Secret Origins" by the end of MOS at least?

 

[manofsteel4life]

What if the military or the gov plan a meeting with supes, but he doesn't show up cause he's saving someone, or Zod does something that prevents him from going. That could be another reason for them to not get along right away

 

[Herolee10]

I would think that the very fact Superman has all of these powers at his disposal while not being under direct command of the US government would cause concern and distrust from the US Government and military, not to mention that he's a alien.

I mean from their views, Superman is a HUGE liability issue and threat for them.

 

[manofsteel4life]

I would think that the very fact Superman has all of these powers at his disposal while not being under direct command of the US government would cause concern and distrust from the US Government and military, not to mention that he's a alien.

I mean from their views, Superman is a HUGE liability issue and threat for them.

Ofcourse....sigh....this is where lex would have been perfect in this scenario

 

[DKDetective]

I would think that the very fact Superman has all of these powers at his disposal while not being under direct command of the US government would cause concern and distrust from the US Government and military, not to mention that he's a alien.

I mean from their views, Superman is a HUGE liability issue and threat for them.

Exactly. I'm really pleased with how Grant Morrison's run on Action Comics is handling these sort of issues, but I'm highly doubt it has any impact on the script/story in Man of Steel since the comics are being released when MOS is already filming. Then again, knowing that Nolan and Goyer like to go back to the early stories and what made the character popular in the first place, they might have sought the same stories as inspiration as Morrison. One can only hope.

 

[Herolee10]

As long as the story avoids having corny dialogues like:

• “He’s flying on rooftops!!!”
• “Can you drive a stick?”
• “Nice Coat”
• The whole exchange of dialogue with the two guys in the Water Pressure station (I still cringe from thinking about it.lol)

Then I think we may be in better hands then we were with BB.lol

 

[HighFivingMF]

So complimenting the homeless is corny now? You, sir, are the worst!

 

[spider_rob]

What if the military or the gov plan a meeting with supes, but he doesn't show up cause he's saving someone, or Zod does something that prevents him from going. That could be another reason for them to not get along right away

they're holding a grudge against superman because he stood them up? LOL. lame.

 

[manofsteel4life]

they're holding a grudge against superman because he stood them up? LOL. lame.

Well not exactly....it just adds to the suspicion they have of superman

 

[Herolee10]

One thing that I hope based on the set reports that we've seen is that this film establishes that Superman isn't just a hero who mainly tackles one type of problem (Green Lantern: Space, Captain America: Wars, Iron Man: Terrorists, Thor: 9 Realms).

I mean Superman is the type of hero that would actively go out and take out regular thugs and crime bosses, murderers, rapists, while rescuing people from natural disasters, or stopping a alien invasion.

I guess it's easy to why based on those things alone on how Superman got the title of being labeled as the world's greatest hero.

 

[manofsteel4life]

One thing that I hope based on the set reports that we've seen is that this film establishes that Superman isn't just a hero who mainly tackles one type of problem (Green Lantern: Space, Captain America: Wars, Iron Man: Terrorists, Thor: 9 Realms).

I mean Superman is the type of hero that would actively go out and take out regular thugs and crime bosses, murderers, rapists, while rescuing people from natural disasters, or stopping a alien invasion.

I guess it's easy to why based on those things alone on how Superman got the title of being labeled as the world's greatest hero.

That's what I hope as well.....I'm just wondering if they'll have enough time to show that. They
might just mention it(weak) but I would love to see it. Maybe we might see more of that in the sequel.... Like how tdk started with batman taking on scarecrow in the beginning..... Start it off with a bang

 

[Zionite]

Parts of the story that worries me
Originally I hated the idea of Zod for a villain because it opened up room for Superman 2 rehash.And that seems to be exactly what is happening with Zod,Faora and unnamed kryptonian coming to earth.
I mean look at it Superman 2 and Mos have the same villain plot .Here it is in a nutshell- Zod and 2 cronies attack the earth in other to conquer it.They might try to hide that fact by giving more backstory or changing names(Ursa/faora) or appearances but its still the same plot.Its mindless repetition becuse they are afraid to try something new

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I am also against the idea of heavily featuring on Kryptonina Mythology .To be honest I dont see Krypton as being that Imporatnt to Supermans Origin.Krypton merely provides a reason for supermans powers.Thats all the bearing it has on his Origin.

Further use of Krypton iin the story is simply to to introduce other Aliens and Alien technology none of which I dont think should be heavily featured in the Origin movie.

The Origin Movie should be about how superman became a hero of Earth by having him fight earth based villains not constantly fighting Alien Invasions.I heard a horrible rumor that Clark would be forced to be Superman becuse of an Alien Invasion by Zod -This misses the piont of Superman.He is not Green lantern

And I hope to God,this story finally has a plausible Superman Identity.

 

[HighFivingMF]

The 1990s Captain America had him fight Red Skull. The 2011 Captain America movie had him fight Red Skull. They couldn't be more different.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The 1990s Captain America had him fight Red Skull. The 2011 Captain America movie had him fight Red Skull. They couldn't be more different.

What a great comment!

I've gotten over the Zod thing because Zod is a good villain and the general public knows him and likes him.

 

[Zionite]

The 1990s Captain America had him fight Red Skull. The 2011 Captain America movie had him fight Red Skull. They couldn't be more different.

I accepted Zod for a while precisely for this reason.But then I heard Zod was teaming up with Faora(another version of Ursa)and some unnamed Alien being(another version of Non) to take over the earth and that screamed SM 2 rehash.
The Plotline involving the Red Skull in the 2 Capt movies where clearly different.
On the otherhand the villin plotline involving Zod in MOS and Stm 2 are sound very similar which has me worried

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Parts of the story that worries me
Originally I hated the idea of Zod for a villain because it opened up room for Superman 2 rehash.And that seems to be exactly what is happening with Zod,Faora and unnamed kryptonian coming to earth.
I mean look at it Superman 2 and Mos have the same villain plot .Here it is in a nutshell- Zod and 2 cronies attack the earth in other to conquer it.They might try to hide that fact by giving more backstory or changing names(Ursa/faora) or appearances but its still the same plot.Its mindless repetition becuse they are afraid to try something new

-
I am also against the idea of heavily featuring on Kryptonina Mythology .To be honest I dont see Krypton as being that Imporatnt to Supermans Origin.Krypton merely provides a reason for supermans powers.Thats all the bearing it has on his Origin.

Further use of Krypton iin the story is simply to to introduce other Aliens and Alien technology none of which I dont think should be heavily featured in the Origin movie.

The Origin Movie should be about how superman became a hero of Earth by having him fight earth based villains not constantly fighting Alien Invasions.I heard a horrible rumor that Clark would be forced to be Superman becuse of an Alien Invasion by Zod -This misses the piont of Superman.He is not Green lantern

And I hope to God,this story finally has a plausible Superman Identity.

I accepted Zod for a while precisely for this reason.But then I heard Zod was teaming up with Faora(another version of Ursa)and some unnamed Alien being(another version of Non) to take over the earth and that screamed SM 2 rehash.
The Plotline involving the Red Skull in the 2 Capt movies where clearly different.
On the otherhand the villin plotline involving Zod in MOS and Stm 2 are sound very similar which has me worried

Wow.

I agree with pretty much nothing you just said.

1. We know absolutely nothng of the villain plot other than the fact that Zod and Faora and possibly a third character have a fight with Superman in Smallville. We also know that the army is a player, with the casting of a General and a Colonel the few shots/vids we've seen of helicopters and soldiers.

But that is it. We don't know that Zod's aim is to conquer the world. We don't know that he wants Superman to kneel before him because he wants to get payback for what Jor-el did. We don't know that he will arrive on earth and just randomly start attacking... he may well arrive on earth long before Superman ever reveals himself and believe himself and faora to be the only ones. We don't know if they will be integrated in society and have learned how to hide in plain sight just like Clark will. We don't know ANYTHING basically.

So how can you say with such conviction, that 1990's Captain American Red Skull plot was totally different to the First Avengers, whereas this plot is just a rehash of Superman 2?

2. Krypton is MUCH more than just an explanation of his powers.

If all they wanted was a superhero with Superpowers, they could have just had him be a mutant, or in some accident.

Superman is a hell of a lot more than that, comes from an entirely different background than that.

Being an alien has a huge impact of how he grows up, his fears of letting anyone too close, feeling like an outsider etc.

And finding out about Krypton is the same as anyone looking at their roots, especially if they come from a completely different culture. It teaches you about yourself, where your from, who you are. There are parts you identify with, and parts your kind of glad you don't.

Plus, Krypton makes for a great variation of setting, just like Asgard did in Thor IMO. If they have a couple flashbacks/visions of krypton through the film it will makes it clear that Superman has a rich backstory.

3. If Clark becomes Superman because of Zod, I won't mind at all.

It seems to me, that he's still doing heroic things (on an oil rig Alaska for example), he's just not got a suit or a name yet.

Since Clark may not start finding out about his heritage until Zod reveals himself, it may simply be that he doesn't get the suit until after Zod shows up. Which doesn't have to mean that he doesn't start being a hero until then.

But then again, we have no idea if this is the case. It may be that he becomes Superman and THEN Zod reveals himself.

Like I said, we just don't know enough of the plot yet.

 

[Herolee10]

Agreed. There's no way that this film could be like Superman II simply because SII was a SEQUEL to an film that came before it, whereas here with MOS, by all accounts, we're getting an ORIGIN film dealing with the journey that Clark Kent took that led him towards becoming Superman.

And there's no way to tell if the other Mo-Cap guy is even a Kryptonian Character; hell I'm thinking that he may not even have a humanoid appearance, especially with that large rod attached to his head.

Unlike previous films, we'll actually get a in depth look towards seeing the man behind the costume and glasses for that matte, on how Clark literally took the experiences that he received in his life and formed them towards becoming Superman, and thankfully, it won't take 10 freaking seasons to see that happen on the BIG SCREEN.lol

And regardless of what transpires Clark to don the suit, we don't know enough as to what goes on as of yet, but we do know that Clark has been making heroic saves way before then, so it's not like it'll be his first time saving someone on screen when he dons the suit.

 

[Zionite]

Wow.

I agree with pretty much nothing you just said.

1. We know absolutely nothng of the villain plot other than the fact that Zod and Faora and possibly a third character have a fight with Superman in Smallville. We also know that the army is a player, with the casting of a General and a Colonel the few shots/vids we've seen of helicopters and soldiers.

But that is it. We don't know that Zod's aim is to conquer the world. We don't know that he wants Superman to kneel before him because he wants to get payback for what Jor-el did. We don't know that he will arrive on earth and just randomly start attacking... he may well arrive on earth long before Superman ever reveals himself and believe himself and faora to be the only ones. We don't know if they will be integrated in society and have learned how to hide in plain sight just like Clark will. We don't know ANYTHING basically.

So how can you say with such conviction, that 1990's Captain American Red Skull plot was totally different to the First Avengers, whereas this plot is just a rehash of Superman 2?

2. Krypton is MUCH more than just an explanation of his powers.

If all they wanted was a superhero with Superpowers, they could have just had him be a mutant, or in some accident.

Superman is a hell of a lot more than that, comes from an entirely different background than that.

Being an alien has a huge impact of how he grows up, his fears of letting anyone too close, feeling like an outsider etc.

And finding out about Krypton is the same as anyone looking at their roots, especially if they come from a completely different culture. It teaches you about yourself, where your from, who you are. There are parts you identify with, and parts your kind of glad you don't.

Plus, Krypton makes for a great variation of setting, just like Asgard did in Thor IMO. If they have a couple flashbacks/visions of krypton through the film it will makes it clear that Superman has a rich backstory.

3. If Clark becomes Superman because of Zod, I won't mind at all.

It seems to me, that he's still doing heroic things (on an oil rig Alaska for example), he's just not got a suit or a name yet.

Since Clark may not start finding out about his heritage until Zod reveals himself, it may simply be that he doesn't get the suit until after Zod shows up. Which doesn't have to mean that he doesn't start being a hero until then.

But then again, we have no idea if this is the case. It may be that he becomes Superman and THEN Zod reveals himself.

Like I said, we just don't know enough of the plot yet.

1.I pretty much guarantee you Zods main goal will be to force the earth to obey his ideals.How do I know that?Because thats Zod.Thats his main aim/goal as a Superman villain.It will always have something with making the world kneel or making the world into new krypton.And Im cool with that.What Im not cool with is how he seems to be going about it,
They could have said Zod was attacking with alien robots as his minions-or something original.Instead they say Zod is attacking with the aid of two alien beings one Female one Brute.Thats the same villain Plot as S2. Oh and they didnt have to put in the enmity between Zod and Jorel.


2.Kryptonian mythology has nothing to do with Supermans origin.When Superman was first released,we never knew anything about his home planet.All we knew is he was the last survivor- and that was the important part.Not any extra details about Krypton
Heres the important piees of Supermans story
"A child escapes a doomed planet to earth and Is raised by a Kindly couple.Due to his Alien heritage discovers he has powers.As he grows older e decides to use his powers for good- to become earths greatest hero"

His Kryptonian heritage have nothing with him being Superman.
Kryptonian Mythology however offers the chance to throw in new aliens and technology to the Mix as well as Backstory.In some cases Kryptopnian mythology is used to explain the suit but thats optional.You can choose to explain the suits origin any other way.

3.If Clark became Superman because of Zod I would mind.Ive seen how that played out in Earth one and it didnt run well.

 

[Adenjo]

lol; true.

And plus, the last thing we need is for MOS to repeat what L&C did by having Clark dress in several outfits in a montage sequence while the music "I Need a Hero" is playing in the background.lol

My secret shame = I actually loved that sequence

 

[hopefuldreamer]

1.I pretty much guarantee you Zods main goal will be to force the earth to obey his ideals.How do I know that?Because thats Zod.Thats his main aim/goal as a Superman villain.It will always have something with making the world kneel or making the world into new krypton.And Im cool with that.What Im not cool with is how he seems to be going about it,
They could have said Zod was attacking with alien robots as his minions-or something original.Instead they say Zod is attacking with the aid of two alien beings one Female one Brute.Thats the same villain Plot as S2. Oh nd they didnt have to put in the enmity between Zod and Jorel.

This arguement is not going to go anywhere.

I'm just going to wait until we know more about the plot, then hunt out your old posts and go 'See, I told you it wouldn't be the same'

Personally i'm glad there is no hint of alien robots. I'm also glad we have General Zod because everything Shannon has said about him makes him seem like the most interesting version of him we've ever seen, and I can see the opportunities it presents in terms of both visual and character 'mirroring'.

Plus, I'm glad we have a human looking villain for connectability, but one who will give Superman a good fight... something we've been dying to see for a heck of a long time.

2.Kryptonian mythology has nothing to do with Supermans origin.When Superman was first released,we never knew anything about his home planet.All we knew is he was the last survivor- and that was the important part.Not any extra details about Krypton
Heres the important piees of Supermans story
"A child escapes a doomed planet to earth and Is raised by a Kindly couple.Due to his Alien heritage discovers he has powers.As he grows older e decides to use his powers for good- to become earths greatest hero"

His Kryptonian heritage have nothing with him being Superman.
Kryptonian Mythology however offers the chance to throw in new aliens and technology to the Mix as well as Backstory.In some cases Kryptopnian mythology is used to explain the suit but thats optional.You can choose to explain the suits origin any other way.

Yes, that was the basic story in the first few comics before they explored his backstory.

And then they did. And then Krypton became a huge part of the Superman mythos.

I don't want the 'Jor-el tells him it's his destiny' stuff, or really any indicationg that he becomes a hero because he finds out he's a kryptonian.

But Krypton playing a role in the film doesn't automatically equate to that.

It just means we get to see a world that has the potential to look visually spectacular, gives us a very rich backstory, and provides a contrast/mirror to what's going on in our world (i.e. perhaps whatever fate Krypton suffered, we are heading towards)

3.If Clark became Superman because of Zod I would mind.Ive seen how that played out in Earth one and it didnt run well.

Earth one is an example of how I don't want it done. But that storyline didn't suck specifically because Clark didn't decide to become Superman without the threat of invasion... it sucked because of the way he did it, his reluctant characterisation.

As long as it's clear that Clark is an instinctive hero, and is performing acts of heroism before ever finding out about Zod, it won't matter to me when he actually dons the suit.

And since it looks like the suit is kryptonian, it kind of makes sense for him to don it in order to face a kryptonian threat.

 

[JBElliott]

I really like how in this story the last son of Krypton fights all those other last sons and daughters of Krypton. That's a really new and original idea.