The Superhero Cinematic Civil War - Part 60

[DarthSkywalker]

That's nice and you'd know more than me on that point, but I'd guess changing the title of the show every 3 months doesn't have much to do with the character within the show. They've changed multiple project titles during different stages of production over the last couple years, so I'd assume it's just another test marketing thing.

It's definitely possible. Probably more likely. But Marvel is kind of decent at viral marketing and I'm honestly having trouble remembering them changing film titles a lot, if at all, and announcing it to the public.

 

[Sithborg]

It's definitely possible. Probably more likely. But Marvel is kind of decent at viral marketing and I'm honestly having trouble remembering them changing film titles a lot, if at all, and announcing it to the public.

[Rogers: The Musical enters the chat]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

[Rogers: The Musical enters the chat]

An all time let down after one of my favorite hours of the MCU.

 

[DA_Champion]

Hannibal was 29 when he attacked Rome. Is Washington not in his late 60s? That's quite the gap.

I hadn't thought of that, good point.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[DKDetective]

We’ve had to endure decades of watching movies where white actors and plenty of other non-black actors played Ancient Egyptians. The French colonizers will just have to deal with Denzel’s casting.

But that’s a discussion for another thread.

Yeah, while it is very wrong that many ancient people of colour have been played by white actors in bronzer, none of the rest of your post is remotely accurate. The Ancient Carthaginians were a West Asian Semitic people. They were NOT black, nor were the vast majority of Ancient Egyptians. We have ancient statues of Hannibal that clearly show he was NOT black. While we do not know the entirety of Cleopatra's heritage, we know her father's side was an in-bred Greek dynasty and all contemporaneous depictions of her are of a Greek and/or West Asian woman.

North Africa has never been predominantly black during any of recorded history. The ethnic and cultural division between North and Sub-Saharan Africa is not some recent product of colonization or white imperialism.

How does treating all people of colour as interchangeable correct historic wrongs of POC erasure in cinema? The only way to fix that is to ensure that ALL POC characters and historical figures are treated with respect and played by actor of the appropriate racial and cultural backgrounds to ensure appropriate representation.

 

[Batgirl0202]

I watched Merry Little Batman on Prime and found it utterly charming and endearing

Believe it or not, this was my very first exposure to Batman in animated form. Some research revealed that many fans are disappointed with how Batman was portrayed in this film when compared to the revered The Animated Series version of the character. However, it's important to remember that the events in Merry Little Batman are told from Damian's point of view. And let's face it, what eight year old doesn't think his dad is a bit of a doofus, no matter how much he may admire and respect him

Notice too how the archival footage of Joker, Penguin, Bane, Ivy, Freeze, Scarecrow, etc differ from the versions from Damian's POV. Good stuff...

Even cooler, I actually knew who most of these characters/villains were due to my exposure to the Gotham show, and was able to contextualize them just fine. So Damian is Batman and Catwoman's kid?? Cool

So my understanding is that there will be a Bat-Family animated series exclusively distributed by Prime, completely separate from HBO Max and Gunn's new DCU? This is getting kinda confusing...

Anyway I highly recommend this movie as a fun little lark, especially for the Holiday Season

 

[Iceman]

I watched Merry Little Batman on Prime and found it utterly charming and endearing

Believe it or not, this was my very first exposure to Batman in animated form. Some research revealed that many fans are disappointed with how Batman was portrayed in this film when compared to the revered The Animated Series version of the character. However, it's important to remember that the events in Merry Little Batman are told from Damian's point of view. And let's face it, what eight year old doesn't think his dad is a bit of a doofus, no matter how much he may admire and respect him

Notice too how the archival footage of Joker, Penguin, Bane, Ivy, Freeze, Scarecrow, etc differ from the versions from Damian's POV. Good stuff...

Even cooler, I actually knew who most of these characters/villains were due to my exposure to the Gotham show, and was able to contextualize them just fine. So Damian is Batman and Catwoman's kid?? Cool

So my understanding is that there will be a Bat-Family animated series exclusively distributed by Prime, completely separate from HBO Max and Gunn's new DCU? This is getting kinda confusing...

Anyway I highly recommend this movie as a fun little lark, especially for the Holiday Season


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I’d not even heard of it, looks fun, will check out.

I don’t care too much about continuity so I don’t even have the energy to get confused, just try and enjoy whatever is out and wherever it comes out on.

You have a ton of catching up to do on Bat-animation! The holidays are as good a time as any to get started.

 

[Hurm...]

Yeah, while it is very wrong that many ancient people of colour have been played by white actors in bronzer, none of the rest of your post is remotely accurate. The Ancient Carthaginians were a West Asian Semitic people. They were NOT black, nor were the vast majority of Ancient Egyptians. We have ancient statues of Hannibal that clearly show he was NOT black. While we do not know the entirety of Cleopatra's heritage, we know her father's side was an in-bred Greek dynasty and all contemporaneous depictions of her are of a Greek and/or West Asian woman.

North Africa has never been predominantly black during any of recorded history. The ethnic and cultural division between North and Sub-Saharan Africa is not some recent product of colonization or white imperialism.

How does treating all people of colour as interchangeable correct historic wrongs of POC erasure in cinema? The only way to fix that is to ensure that ALL POC characters and historical figures are treated with respect and played by actor of the appropriate racial and cultural backgrounds to ensure appropriate representation.

Exactly. I'm Egyptian and I find it f***ing hilarious when people (usually Americans) characterize North African people as being historically black... and if there's any pushback, you're accused of being racist.

With that said, it all depends on the story that they're trying to tell. If this is supposed to be a heavily fictionalized, somewhat poetic, Shakespearean tale, then have at it -- I'm all for artistic expression. But if you're trying to paint this as a historically accurate piece shaped by real events, then it's stupid.

 

[Ninjablade]

 

[Chris B]

What does everyone think Marvel does if Majors is acquitted? My thinking for a long time was that scenario would see them keeping him and weathering the PR storm until it blew over. But after the release of those texts, that seem like a heavy lift.

 

[Iceman]

What does everyone think Marvel does if Majors is acquitted? My thinking for a long time was that scenario would see them keeping him and weathering the PR storm until it blew over. But after the release of those texts, that seem like a heavy lift.

Feels like it will be hard to keep him now either way as too much bad stuff has come out.

 

[Deck Rickard]

All this discussion about Hannibal made me remember that Vin Diesel was going to play him in a movie at one point. I wish that had happened, simply because it would have been ****ing hilarious.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm okay with Daredevil being in Spider-Man 4 but Ant-Man is a bridge too far. I've got nothing against the character even after Quantumania but it's already ridiculous that Holland hasn't had one movie on his own where another MCU hero hasn't played a significant role (counting Nick Fury here too). Daredevil is more acceptable because he's street level and he already made an appearance in NWH but Ant-Man? That's too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

[Filmfreak]

I find it ironic that the Sony-Disney deal went in a few years from "let's use the MCU to boost declining Spider-Man box-office" to "let's use Spider-Man to boost declining MCU box-office".

 

[Iceman]

I'm okay with Daredevil being in Spider-Man 4 but Ant-Man is a bridge too far. I've got nothing against the character even after Quantumania but it's already ridiculous that Holland hasn't had one movie on his own where another MCU hero hasn't played a significant role (counting Nick Fury here too). Daredevil is more acceptable because he's street level and he already made an appearance in NWH but Ant-Man? That's too many cooks in the kitchen.

Ant Man isn’t getting any more films so it’s going to be cameos from here on out lol. I wouldn’t want his role to be significant if true, as you say Daredevil is a better fit.

 

[kguillou]

We’re all wanting and expecting Daredevil to be in SM4 because it just makes sense and everyone wants to see that team up happen and for that reason alone i fully expect Marvel not put him in it.

 

[Drizzle]

We’re all wanting and expecting Daredevil to be in SM4 because it just makes sense and everyone wants to see that team up happen and for that reason alone i fully expect Marvel not put him in it.

They'll put him in but it'll be Affleck's Daredevil instead of Charlie Cox. Basically like the ending of The Flash.

 

[CaptainWagner]

I'm okay with Daredevil being in Spider-Man 4 but Ant-Man is a bridge too far. I've got nothing against the character even after Quantumania but it's already ridiculous that Holland hasn't had one movie on his own where another MCU hero hasn't played a significant role (counting Nick Fury here too). Daredevil is more acceptable because he's street level and he already made an appearance in NWH but Ant-Man? That's too many cooks in the kitchen.

I am increasingly concerned that they're going to scrap the street-level set-up AGAIN and do something real stupid.

 

[Iceman]

They'll put him in but it'll be Affleck's Daredevil instead of Charlie Cox. Basically like the ending of The Flash.

Affleck would look so weird with Holland.

Cox would go really well with him, damn need it to happen now.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ant-Man and Spider-Man as a team are fine. But I would much prefer a Daredevil/Kingpin crossover movie for SM4

 

[Drizzle]

Ant-Man and Spider-Man as a team are fine. But I would much prefer a Daredevil/Kingpin crossover movie for SM4

Ant-Man and Spider-Man would make for a good team up but not if Daredevil is already in the movie (allegedly).

 

[Spider-Fan]

Ant-Man and Spider-Man would make for a good team up but not if Daredevil is already in the movie (allegedly).

Unless it's a quick cameo, if this ends up being a Spider-Man/Ant-Man movie, that to me tells me it's likely no longer the DD/Spider-Man movie anymore and probably will be something more overtly Multiverse again. Which isn't my preference, but I don't see why else Ant-Man would be there

 

[emielaen]

I think NWH made too much money for them to go full on street level w Spider-Man. That's what stuff like Echo is for, I guess.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think NWH made too much money for them to go full on street level w Spider-Man. That's what stuff like Echo is for, I guess.

I guess, but I really dislike this new Spiderverse trend where I have to see Spider-Man fight the multiverse in frigging everything. Kind of makes me less interested in the property the more they do it

I am cool with the animated movies and NWH and such existing, but if that's just what every Spider-Man thing is gonna be now, then I am bored and so over it