The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[Kynergy]

That's a great idea, why haven't I done that myself yet?


Umm, what? I think the description strictly said Batman. I don't think they'd have him landing a plane on a highway without the Batman getup, being costumed up is usually synonymous with a big action scene. I could be wrong, though.

I'm not saying Bruce without the suit, I mean no Bruce/Batman. It could have Batman, but it was a tabloid source, I don't know how they would know a part of the script. Multiple sources know about the plane, but I think they were the only one's saying Batman was flying it. Also, that could be something entirely made up by someone making the film just to confuse us.

But I'm not ruling Batman out. If he is on the plane, he may have snuck on there himself, having figured out some plan that is going to happen, and trying to stop it. Resulting in the plane crashing.

 

[Marx]

That's a great idea, why haven't I done that myself yet?

 

[Nevincer]

Sorry, subscribing to the thread. Your post reminded me that I had forgotten to subscribe myself I love reading everyone's thoughts here.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm not saying Bruce without the suit, I mean no Bruce/Batman. It could have Batman, but it was a tabloid source, I don't know how they would know a part of the script. Multiple sources know about the plane, but I think they were the only one's saying Batman was flying it. Also, that could be something entirely made up by someone making the film just to confuse us.

But I'm not ruling Batman out. If he is on the plane, he may have snuck on there himself, having figured out some plan that is going to happen, and trying to stop. Resulting in the plane crashing.

No Batman? Nah, I think they specifically mentioned Batman landing the plane whilst it was on fire, didn't they? How would it land it on a highway without Bruce being the one that saves the day? But I do agree with you, I'm curious myself just how and why Batman is present on the plane

 

[antsman41]

I'd love to see a good manip for the Batman franchise that had Scarecrow, Ras, Two-Face, Joker, Bane and Catwoman all together. That would be made of epicness. Maybe even add Zsasz and Falcone into the mix for laughs.

I made this awhile ago, it's a "Batman Usual Suspects" lineup...

Spoiler

I'm going to make a newer one with a front shot of Bane/Catwoman when we get them. Also, I need to make it look like there is in fact glass between them...

 

[Marx]

Sorry, subscribing to the thread. Your post reminded me that I had forgotten to subscribe myself I love reading everyone's thoughts here.

Ahh.

 

[Nevincer]

I made this awhile ago...

Spoiler

That's awesome! I love it, almost just what I was looking for! t: You should update it with Catwoman/Bane one day once the designs are out, and it would be fully reflective of the whole trilogy.

 

[antsman41]

That's awesome! I love it, almost just what I was looking for! t: You should update it with Catwoman/Bane one day once the designs are out, and it would be fully reflective of the whole trilogy.

Thanks...

 

[Kynergy]

No Batman? Nah, I think they specifically mentioned Batman landing the plane whilst it was on fire, didn't they? How would it land it on a highway without Bruce being the one that saves the day? But I do agree with you, I'm curious myself just how and why Batman is present on the plane

Yes, they did say Batman landing it, I'm just taking what the tabloid said about Batman with a grain of salt, that's all. I am curious as to why Batman is on the plane, it seem's strange that he would be. But ya, if the plane does land safely, it would seem weird for it to not be saved by Batman.

Unless, and this is all just speculation, Catwoman lands the plane. Imagine her sneaking on to the plane to steal some valuable that Bane is carrying on there. She is discovered, and they fight. An explosion happens, and its going to crash. Bane jumps out (with a parachute), not caring about what's going to happen. Catwoman almost jumps out as well, but realizes that if this plane crashes it will kill alot of people. She is conflicted, but the good side in her decides to risk her life and land the plane, which she ends up doing. This shows early on that she actually has a good side, if Nolan decides to use duality of Catwoman in his film.

Just an idea, and I understand if someone hates it. I'm just thinking of a way that Batman doesn't need to be in the plane.

 

[Nevincer]

That's a really cool idea, and if Bruce took notice of Selina's actions on that plane I could see this attracting him to her and seeking her out as an ally. Seeing as he has very few allies left at this point.

 

[Kynergy]

I imagine Batman throughout the entire film reminding Catwoman of that one time she was good, or how she can still be good and help rather than hurt people. But Catwoman doesn't want to have any of it, she see's that one good thing as a mistake, and decides that she only wants to look out for herself, and herself only. Whether her good time is landing the plane or something else entirely, I think there will be one scene that shows that Catwoman has a good side to use if she chooses to.

 

[KrakenAttack]

I think someone will be on board the plane in the "Plane On Fire" scene that he needs to save. I'm guessing a villain tries to flee from Batman grabbing a hostage (Miranda, Holly, Selina, Alfred, innocent person), Batman grapples up to the plane as it lifts off, they fight, the villain causes an explosion or Batman accidentally does, Villain escapes with parachute, Batman must land the plane to save the hostage thus sacrificing the apprehension of the villain to save someone. Kinda' like the Himalaya Ducard snow slide in Begins and the jumping out the penthouse to save Rachel scene in TDK.

 

[The Wizard]

Where was there anything about a plane?

 

[kvz5]

Where was there anything about a plane?

http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/News/Batman-location-film-shoot-could-shut-the-A9-28062011.htm

 

[The_Raganork]

Yes, they did say Batman landing it, I'm just taking what the tabloid said about Batman with a grain of salt, that's all. I am curious as to why Batman is on the plane, it seem's strange that he would be. But ya, if the plane does land safely, it would seem weird for it to not be saved by Batman.

Unless, and this is all just speculation, Catwoman lands the plane. Imagine her sneaking on to the plane to steal some valuable that Bane is carrying on there. She is discovered, and they fight. An explosion happens, and its going to crash. Bane jumps out (with a parachute), not caring about what's going to happen. Catwoman almost jumps out as well, but realizes that if this plane crashes it will kill alot of people. She is conflicted, but the good side in her decides to risk her life and land the plane, which she ends up doing. This shows early on that she actually has a good side, if Nolan decides to use duality of Catwoman in his film.

Just an idea, and I understand if someone hates it. I'm just thinking of a way that Batman doesn't need to be in the plane.

Stole my idea

 

[The Wizard]

They want to land a burning Hercules plane on the A9. Wonder why. Could involve Bane, Batman, Catwoman, who knows.

I wonder if the script will leak at any point.

 

[Kynergy]

Stole my idea

Haha, really? I guess your ideas are just starting to rub off on me.

 

[The_Raganork]

Haha, really? I guess your ideas are just starting to rub off on me.

Totally, I presented this scene from WET as a possible way it would look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt2FlsGGJgw

Anyway I was here to say; in the twitter thread it was revealed there was going to be a Garden Party and a host of child actor's entering for a scene as well as a storm.

What if they had a party at night and the storm got terrible and Selena has to spend the night and then as she's there goes lurking in the mansion and we get this sort of scene

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j1rRSxGJ_c

i don't know if Bruce's reaction will be so...violent but, it could be interesting.

Maybe?

EDIT: how do you get youtube videos to actually work with the youtube tags?

 

[Kynergy]

Ya, I could see her snooping around and finding the Batcave. Maybe she is trying to look for something to steal from him while he's sleeping, and she ends up in the cave. I don't know what Bruce's reaction would be. I can't see him being angry, but if the two of them really hit it off, maybe he wouldn't mind her knowing. Of course, I'm assuming that at this point he doesn't know that she is actually Catwoman.

And to post the video, just put the ID (whatever is after the =) into the tag. I can thank Darkhunt for telling me that.

[YT]2j1rRSxGJ_c[/YT]

Edit: And sorry for taking your idea

 

[Nevincer]

Posted this in the twitter thread, but seeing as it's speculation I'm reposting it here as well:

I think Bruce becoming a philanthropist is perfect for this movie.

If you think about it, in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, the careless playboy persona was created almost sorerly because it would avert suspicions that Bruce Wayne = Batman.

Batman was trying to save the city, whilst Bruce Wayne as far as people knew was clowning around. But now that Batman is taking the fall for Harvey Dent's killings, and has become seen as a menacing selfish vigilante of sorts as opposed to the hero Gotham thought he was, it's perfect now for Bruce Wayne to switch from the playboy persona to a philanthropist like his father, because that will make the people of Gotham like Bruce Wayne and foil any suspicion of them suspecting he's the "deranged" Batman.

It reminds me a bit of that scene at the end of Begins "Batman may have made the front page, but Bruce Wayne got pushed to page 8", maybe we can finally see the table turns between the two personas, and it would be great for Bruce Wayne's characterization to be doing these things at any rate. But this should probably be posted in the General Discussion & Speculation thread, I'm being a bit irresponsible here

 

[The_Raganork]

Ya, I could see her snooping around and finding the Batcave. Maybe she is trying to look for something to steal from him while he's sleeping, and she ends up in the cave. I don't know what Bruce's reaction would be. I can't see him being angry, but if the two of them really hit it off, maybe he wouldn't mind her knowing. Of course, I'm assuming that at this point he doesn't know that she is actually Catwoman.

And to post the video, just put the ID (whatever is after the =) into the tag. I can thank Darkhunt for telling me that.

[YT]2j1rRSxGJ_c[/YT]


Edit: And sorry for taking your idea

AHA!

Thank you!

Posted this in the twitter thread, but seeing as it's speculation I'm reposting it here as well:

I have nothing to add or subtract from that

(which is saying A LOT )

 

[Kynergy]

Posted this in the twitter thread, but seeing as it's speculation I'm reposting it here as well:

I really like that idea. He realizes that he put all his effort into Batman, and let Bruce become nothing but a joke. So he decides to continue what his father was doing and try to help Gotham, but as Bruce this time.

 

[kvz5]

Haha, I just went here to respond to that.

All that sounds really cool to me. I think Bruce becoming a philanthropist is perfect for this movie.

If you think about it, in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, the careless playboy persona was created almost sorerly because it would avert suspicions that Bruce Wayne = Batman.

Batman was trying to save the city, whilst Bruce Wayne as far as people knew was clowning around. But now that Batman is taking the fall for Harvey Dent's killings, and has become seen as a menacing selfish vigilante of sorts as opposed to the hero Gotham thought he was, it's perfect now for Bruce Wayne to switch from the playboy persona to a philanthropist like his father, because that will make the people of Gotham like Bruce Wayne and foil any suspicion of them suspecting he's the "deranged" Batman.

It reminds me a bit of that scene at the end of Begins "Batman may have made the front page, but Bruce Wayne got pushed to page 8", maybe we can finally see the table turns between the two personas, and it would be great for Bruce Wayne's characterization to be doing these things at any rate. But this should probably be posted in the General Discussion & Speculation thread, I'm being a bit irresponsible here

On a side note, Raganork, is your name supposed to be 'Ragnarok'? That was the name of the airship in FFVIII if I remember rightly, that should also be SeeD 'Veteran' in your member title Just an observation, sorry for being a grammar/spelling nazi, and sorry for going off topic.

I like this idea of a switch so to speak of Batman and Bruce Wayne this time around specially with Batman being on Gotham's bad side. And by the end of course, both will be embraced by Gotham because of two different reasons. But to your point, Batman currently being hunted down by Gotham is a great opportunity for Bruce to "rise" as well. Kinda like when Nolan said that The Dark Knight is also about Harvey in TDK, The Dark Knight Rises is also about Bruce Wayne in TDKR (and not just Batman).

 

[Nevincer]

I think it's just a storm; they have a party, it rains during the party, Selena has an excuse to stay over

Makes sense, I like it. That's actually I think what may be a challenge for Bruce, here he is trying to make a great persona for himself out of Bruce Wayne, and out comes Selina Kyle, a costumed avenger just like him constantly playing into his life and reminding him of the Batman side of his character that he can't escape. It has a lot of potential.

 

[Kynergy]

So, do you think that Bruce will find out that Selina is Catwoman pretty early in the movie? I think that if she is at this garden party, he doesn't know that she is Catwoman yet. I could see him figuring it out sometime afterwards though.