The Dark Knight Rises The Dark Knight Rises Trailer Thread

[weezerspider]

Are the football players using their real name and numbers for the football scenes?

Ward was....which makes me assume everyone is.

EDIT: I've been corrected.

 

[Naite22]

This film won't be making more cha ching than TDK.
beyond the obvious reason, 2012 is just a more competitive year than 2008.
It's one of the biggest summers let alone years ever.

Hardy is going to have to work hard. And it won't just be a matter of Nolan writing him with the upper hand. Heath really danced his scenes into gold. Starting with that pencil scene.

Ok, seriously. I've heard this bull-**** one to many times now. This is NOTHING personal, and there's no anger here It just needs to be said. Saying stuff like TDK only earning as much as it did because ledger died, or some crap like that MAY be true. May_be, yes. But damn is that stuff getting truly sickening now at days. You know what, I have another theory: Maybe TDK earned that much money because the movie was actually ****ing, insanely, badass and brilliant, overall! How about that for a change? I know it's completely waaay out there for me to even THINK that could ever be a possibility, right? Word of mouth goes a long way dear fellow poster and so does repeated viewings. This movie deserved every dime it earned, and not just because of Heaths Joker! But Heath's performance, was definitely beyond believe, no one denies that.

Still, instisting that TDK couldn't be beaten by "Rises"? I mean, being so god_damn sure that "Rises" won't ever have a chance of coming out on top, is just PLAIN__FREAKEN_SILLY, considering the momentum and hype around it already!! I mean, for Christ sakes, "Avatar" went on to become the best selling flick of all time, solely based on hype! Did it really deserve it though?? Hell NO!... Did that CG movie deserve a best picture nomination, when TDK wasn't even nominated!? What kind of sick joke is that?! "The Dark Knight" was for some time really chopping right at the ass of Cameron's own "Titanic" back in 08, battling the spot for number 1 at the box-office! "Rises" looks ****ing unbelievable as of now, and the hype will only INcrease even more with future trailers and marketing! It's the conclusion to almighty "Dark Knight" for Petes sake! LOOK AT IT! Don't even presume to think you know what sort of numbers this movie will end up getting... Cause to tell you the truth, If good enough, this one could definitely end up topping TDK in ticket sales! I aint saying that for sure. But don't say it isn't possible I think that would be a big ****ing mistake... Carry on now.

 

[Secret Fawful]

And besides people are allowed to have an opinion. Not everyone who finds something wrong with something has to be considered fickle. Jeez

It's considered fickle for a reason. Like Marvin says, there could be some Bat-bias toward some liking it, but there's a definite bias to people saying it's cheesy or out of place or generic.

Like...wow...how dare our Batman have this big budget action scene with CGI involved.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I am sensing a political message imbeded here based on selinas statement in Bruces ear. I hate when my favorite movies try to get political, especially when the message is not based on fact. The old Haves vs.Have-nots, class warfare thing is tired.

Believe it or not, Bruce Wayne/Batman has tangled in the politicial arena in comics, shows, and films before. It's nothing new.

And the 99% vs the 1% is a valid plot point, especially in these times. The world economy suffered a setback because of these greedy individuals. You can call class warfare, but when these individuals cut corners to live a life of luxury, it's a crime.

 

[redhawk23]

Well to be fair to him, TDK's themes on battling terrorism is basically a love letter to The Bush Administration...which is all fairly accurate to the Bruce Wayne/Batman I grew up reading.

It should be noted that Batman ultimately rejects that power and rigs it so that the whole sonar system self destructs in the end.

 

[miggizle85]

Are the football players using their real name and numbers for the football scenes?

Well we know Hines Ward is. I think the Gotham Knights is mostly made up of players from the Pittsburgh Steelers (including Big Ben, Palumalu, Ward, and others) and they all use their real names and numbers. I believe the other team is all made up players

 

[Anita18]

7.) This is a truly AMERICAN film. Nolan isn’t hiding this at all. Gotham is in America. What is one of America’s biggest institutions? What is one of the biggest traditions of our culture as Americans, that almost define us in a list of Top 10 things that make our culture who we are? Football. Bane is making a point in saying “Look, Americans, look what I just took from your culture. Now it’s the whole CITY next.” Really, if you look at all the football players being killed in that scene, combined with the little boy singing the national anthem who probably didn’t survive this explosion, this event, in real life, would be the equivalent of another 9/11. Not to mention, the freakin' trailer opens with the National Anthem.

That’s basically all I’ve got. In summary:

This will be a truly unique American experience, that is not only culturally relevant, but may also transcend this genre completely and just destroy any future attempts at making a superhero film of this caliber. It’s unparalleled. I’m truly shocked that a big Hollywood movie like this is even being made, and kudos to WB for having the balls to allow Nolan to make what I believe will be his ultimate masterpiece.

The jingoism in SM1 still makes me a little, but Nolan has proven himself to have a subtle hand in these matters, so I will reserve judgment until I see the film.

Not sure if I would say Batman is a liberal. Batman is probably identified more with the conservative party than anything. He sees issues in clear black or white, he uses his money to spy on his own people, he has no issues with torture. These are all kind of hallmarks of the modern conservative. I do agree that their intention is to paint Bruce as the entitled rich person persona that we have all created in our minds.

I actually think Nolan's insistence with incorporating modern issues will make these movies less relevant years from now. Regardless of what he said previously, clearly they wanted to bring up issues of terrorism, government spying etc. in the dark knight. I find most of this stuff to be kind of preachy and unnecessary in the Batman lore, but to each their own I guess.

I don't think TDK would be the way it is had it not been made after 9/11. It reflects some of the feelings we had at that time, and still have today. However, it's still a general feeling, it doesn't get specific, and the feeling is very much attuned to the plot. Besides there have certainly been times of suspicion and fear in other times, like the Cold War and McCarthyism. That sort of thing will always be timeless.

Now, what dates a movie for sure is the use of pop songs.

And third, I am sensing a political message imbeded here based on selinas statement in Bruces ear. I hate when my favorite movies try to get political, especially when the message is not based on fact. The old Haves vs.Have-nots, class warfare thing is tired.

but other than that, it looks great!

Well it's not really tired because they haven't truly tackled it in a summer tentpole.

And besides, the Nolans never said that Batman's actions in TDK were correct. They just portray him doing them, which is true to the character. When he tortured Maroni, it didn't get him anywhere. He used the sonar machine and he found Joker, but also got a crowbar to the head. And he allows it to be destroyed it later anyway. I've never really understood why TDK was thought to be such a political movie. That WSJ article was written by a blockhead.

Well Batman/Bruce has been painted as a conservative figure for years now in the comics anyways, so it makes sense the film adaptions would do the same, regardless of ones political views. Green Arrow was typically a liberal. I would expect him to be portrayed so in a film adaption. I expect Batman/Bruce to be portrayed as a conservative figure. Also, Nolan's Batman is clearly conservative, which especially clear in his efforts against The Joker in TDK.

Ehh, it kind of depends on your viewpoint. True-red conservatives hold tight to the status quo no matter what, especially if it's benefits them. Liberals are the ones who always wants to make things better even if shakes up the establishment, which is what Batman does.

But Batman is all sorts of weird paradoxes. That's why we love him, right?

 

[weezerspider]

Everyone I know who saw TDK due to Heath's death loved it and rented BB and loved it and is thrilled to see TDKR, so maybe the fans TDK earned from Heahth's death are now stuck on the bandwagon. Then again, I only know eight people in the world that are in that boat, so what do I know?

 

[batman497]

After seeing this trailer, I understand Catwoman's role:

She represents the poor. She's angry at the rich for having so much and giving so little. But through the story, obviously, she finds that the rich man (Wayne) isn't so bad, and that just because he's rich doesn't mean he's not doing good in the world. This movie seems to be a love letter to rich Republicans. The message is gonna be: Rich people aren't bad and poor people shouldn't be mad at the rich. Rich people are good and poor people should aspire to work with the rich because only together can we achieve success and be happy. This is what the Catwoman character is bringing to this story, which is blatantly inspired by the current economic crisis and the debate in the country between the 1% and the rest of the country. Here we go again: Nolans injecting their right wing agenda into a Batman movie.

Even if this was the case, which I don't think is true, how is this bad? Would it be okay if it was the opposite?

 

[Octoberist]

To be fair to most of the critics of that scene, most were saying that it felt out of place in the trailer. You have all this emotional stuff before and after it, but in the middle of the trailer there seemed to be this lone football scene.

It was later pointed out however that the beginnning part of the trailer that is missing from the bootleg shows an establishing shot of the football field, and a kid singing the national anthem. THat little omission would have made it (the trailer at least) flow a little better.

And besides people are allowed to have an opinion. Not everyone who finds something wrong with something has to be considered fickle. Jeez

You just said that there's a scene that's missing in the bootleg with the national anthem right? So we are seeing the 'money shot' football scene without the proper context.

Sure people can have their opinions as long as there's some weight to them. Obviously there's a missing piece to the puzzle here but I've always stated that different opinions are great as long as the person has a good argument and some rationale. If someone said "De Niro sucks as a actir because of Meet the Fockers.' I wont let that slide either.

 

[miggizle85]

It's considered fickle for a reason. Like Marvin says, there could be some Bat-bias toward some liking it, but there's a definite bias to people saying it's cheesy or out of place or generic.

Like...wow...how dare our Batman have this big budget action scene with CGI involved.

Well having been on this board a little longer that I can say that hardly anybody was saying that. If you wanna take it that way then that shows alot about you handle people's differing opinions.

 

[munchie64]

I got a Best Picture vibe from the prologue, when I watched it in IMAX. But that hope was shattered when I saw the trailer.

Why? Seriously, why? Because there is and action scene with a little bit of unrealistic parts? Because you can't hear the dialogue on a BOOTLEG trailer? Because you think there is a political agenda from ONE speech? DAMN

 

[miggizle85]

You just said that there's a scene that's missing in the bootleg with the national anthem right? So we are seeing the 'money shot' football scene without the proper context. Sure people can have their opinions as long as there's some weight to them. Obviously there's a missing piece to the puzzle here but I've always stated that different opinions are great as long as the person has a good argument and some rationale. If someone said "De Niro sucks as a actir
because of Meet the Fockers.' I wont let that slide either.

BTW just so you and the Secret Fawful know, I've been defending the scene the entire time. I think its great. Even before I knew about the missing scene.

 

[DrSmith2236]

I'd be a little surprised if TDKR doesn't take the record for biggest opening night and weekend.

 

[meee]

Believe it or not, Bruce Wayne/Batman has tangled in the politicial arena in comics, shows, and films before. It's nothing new.

And the 99% vs the 1% is a valid plot point, especially in these times. The world economy suffered a setback because of these greedy individuals. You can call class warfare, but when these individuals cut corners to live a life of luxury, it's a crime.

and global warming is real. The world economy has suffered a setback because socialism in the end doesnt work not because your dentist drives a Mercedes and has too much. I am aware of politics in previous Batman incarnations I dont't like political statements which are made up getting rammed up me everytime i go to the theatre. An example of the inverse for the liberals would be multiple movies coming out every year where radical terrorist groups want to kill americans just because they are americans. Imagine that movie.

 

[redhawk23]

Inception made 825 million and that was an original property. Nolan is well loved beyond just batfans on the hype, and huge amounts of people saw the Dark Knight. They hype for this insane. There's been a number of reporters commenting about the fact that its somewhat telling that biggest holiday film event this year isn't any of the actual movies but the Prologue that has everyone talking.

This film can easily outgross TDK

 

[Octoberist]

Why? Seriously, why? Because there is and action scene with a little bit of unrealistic parts? Because you can't hear the dialogue on a BOOTLEG trailer? Because you think there is a political agenda from ONE speech? DAMN

Ignore him. I've notice that some of his comments are questionable from the get go.

 

[weezerspider]

It should be noted that Batman ultimately rejects that power and rigs it so that the whole sonar system self destructs in the end.

He still used it to find The Joker in the classic "ends justify the means" manner. Plus I wasn't even thinking of that scene in particular. I was thinking of his overall war on crime, in particular The Joker. Its very Black and White. And then when you add in Alfred's speech to him about some men just wanting to watch the world burn. He's yelling "some people are just evil" giving Batman the right to go take him down, never mind that his war with The Joker is against the popular opinion of Gotham and costing citizens their lives.

 

[batman497]

The jingoism in SM1 still makes me a little, but Nolan has proven himself to have a subtle hand in these matters, so I will reserve judgment until I see the film.


I don't think TDK would be the way it is had it not been made after 9/11. It reflects some of the feelings we had at that time, and still have today. However, it's still a general feeling, it doesn't get specific, and the feeling is very much attuned to the plot. Besides there have certainly been times of suspicion and fear in other times, like the Cold War and McCarthyism. That sort of thing will always be timeless.

Now, what dates a movie for sure is the use of pop songs.


Well it's not really tired because they haven't truly tackled it in a summer tentpole.

And besides, the Nolans never said that Batman's actions in TDK were correct. They just portray him doing them, which is true to the character. When he tortured Maroni, it didn't get him anywhere. He used the sonar machine and he found Joker, but also got a crowbar to the head. And he allows it to be destroyed it later anyway. I've never really understood why TDK was thought to be such a political movie. That WSJ article was written by a blockhead.


Ehh, it kind of depends on your viewpoint. True-red conservatives hold tight to the status quo no matter what, especially if it's benefits them. Liberals are the ones who always wants to make things better even if shakes up the establishment, which is what Batman does.

But Batman is all sorts of weird paradoxes. That's why we love him, right?

Not sure if I would say conservatives simply hold to the status quo, while liberals simply make things better by shaking things up. This is more so your own personal feelings toward conservatives. The assumption that conservatives are simply out to benefit themselves is also kind of unfair.
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2682730&page=1#.TumphLIk67s
Conservatives tend to give more to charitable causes than liberals. They simply disagree with forced donation. Not sure how that equates to them simply trying to benefit.

 

[Naite22]

"Rises" could end up topping "Dark Knight" in sales... YES, it could! Stop saying it couldn't because of Ledger, it's vomiting.. The hype and momentum Bat-3 has got going, and rightfully so, is ****ing insane!!!

 

[munchie64]

Ignore him. I've notice that some of his comments are questionable from the get go.

You're right sorry for going overboard.

 

[Revenant]

I got it!

WAYNE: What does it mean?

OLD MAN: Rise.

Way more believable than what I thought. I thought Bruce asked Where does this lead.

 

[DrSmith2236]

I've never really understood why TDK was thought to be such a political movie. That WSJ article was written by a blockhead.

Haha this reminds me of that recent Fox News segment where some dude tried to say that the Muppets movie was promoting socialism to children.

 

[Lasirius]

Do not feed the trolls

 

[Secret Fawful]

Well having been on this board a little longer that I can say that hardly anybody was saying that. If you wanna take it that way then that shows alot about you handle people's differing opinions.

I make up my mind about differing opinions by evaluating whether or not I think they hold merit. It's nothing personal, as you make it sound. I see nothing wrong with evaluating things in this manner, and my evaluation is hardly unsound.

And my evaluation of this board is that it has some fickle people. Every time Nolan takes a risk they complain.