The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread

[The_Raganork]

Makes sense, I like it. That's actually I think what may be a challenge for Bruce, here he is trying to make a great persona for himself out of Bruce Wayne, and out comes Selina Kyle, a costumed avenger just like him constantly playing into his life and reminding him of the Batman side of his character that he can't escape. It has a lot of potential.

I see that and raise you:

Not only does she rope him into being Batman, if he finds out her dual lives, he begins to see that she's got them greatly separated but uses the benefits of both.

when she's Selena she's not concerned with Catwoman issues.

When she's Catwoman she's not concerned with Selena issues.

A balance he hasn't found; how can she have that cut off (the one clearly missing from Batman i.e. picking Rachel over Harvey) and maintain her lives

I think this and the revelation that Bane may not be punishable by a physical beat down, will force him to seek Bruce Wayne for more help

 

[The_Raganork]

So, do you think that Bruce will find out that Selina is Catwoman pretty early in the movie? I think that if she is at this garden party, he doesn't know that she is Catwoman yet. I could see him figuring it out sometime afterwards though.

I've said in another thread I think the party will be stormed by GPD and Selena is arrested for a theft and Bruce taken in for questioning as a possible aid to her.

It's somewhere in there that it becomes apparent who she also is

 

[Nevincer]

I see that and raise you:

Not only does she rope him into being Batman, if he finds out her dual lives, he begins to see that she's got them greatly separated but uses the benefits of both.

when she's Selena she's not concerned with Catwoman issues.

When she's Catwoman she's not concerned with Selena issues.

A balance he hasn't found; how can she have that cut off (the one clearly missing from Batman i.e. picking Rachel over Harvey) and maintain her lives

I think this and the revelation that Bane may not be punishable by a physical beat down, will force him to seek Bruce Wayne for more help

Yeah, that's a great point. I agree with you that as Batman is struggling between his dual identities, Selina can set a good example to him of how to find harmony between the two, which I suspect he'll be searching for in this movie if we're truly delving further into Bruce Wayne's character.

 

[Kynergy]

Selina helping Bruce become both a better Bruce and a better Batman. She could show him that they both need to be different people. Batman can't let Bruce's feelings affect him, and Bruce can't let his duty as Batman affect his personal life. I like that idea, I could for sure see that working into the movie somehow.

 

[Nevincer]

So, do you think that Bruce will find out that Selina is Catwoman pretty early in the movie? I think that if she is at this garden party, he doesn't know that she is Catwoman yet. I could see him figuring it out sometime afterwards though.

To tell you the truth, I fully suspect Batman will suss out Selina's identity straight away somehow, and vice versa. I just think there'd be far too much going on in this movie if he didn't know Selina=Catwoman for a long duration of the running time, and I haven't seen Batman Returns in forever but I think it may be too reminiscent of that movie as well.

 

[The_Raganork]

I surmised a beautifully ending to these films would be:

Catwoman commits a crime, unapologetically in front of Batman. Bruce can't turn her in but, Batman will and he says something like

"You've got 5 minutes, then I come after you"

And amused she takes off, and he goes after.

The next day as Bruce he runs into Selena and the two share a tense moment but, he explains: "Batman wants Catwoman; if those two meet she's going to jail but, I'm a business man"

His lives are separate but, Selena knows, every time she puts that suit on....Every time she finds something she's going to steal she KNOWS he's (Batman) out there...waiting for her and the thrill of it is exhilirating.

and as well, every time Selena goes out into Gotham she knows, he's (Bruce) is out there...waiting for her

 

[Kynergy]

To tell you the truth, I fully suspect Batman will suss out Selina's identity straight away somehow, and vice versa. I just think there'd be far too much going on in this movie if he didn't know Selina=Catwoman for a long duration of the running time, and I haven't seen Batman Returns in forever but I think it may be too reminiscent of that movie as well.

Ya, he could figure it out early on in the movie. But wouldn't he then feel obligated to stop Selina, knowing that she is a criminal. Unless Catwoman is going to be another vigilante just like Batman, he is going to have to do his duty as Batman and stop her, and not let his personal feelings as Bruce get in the way. He let that happen before, and he know's that he shouldn't let that happen again. I think Bruce, knowing Selina is Catwoman, would be kind of hesitant to get to emotionally attached to her when they are around each other as Bruce and Selina, because he knows that once they cross paths as Batman and Catwoman, he will have to stop her.

 

[The_Raganork]

Ya, he could figure it out early on in the movie. But wouldn't he then feel obligated to stop Selina, knowing that she is a criminal. Unless Catwoman is going to be another vigilante just like Batman, he is going to have to do his duty as Batman and stop her, and not let his personal feelings as Bruce get in the way. He let that happen before, and he know's that he shouldn't let that happen again. I think Bruce, knowing Selina is Catwoman, would be kind of hesitant to get to emotionally attached to her when they are around each other as Bruce and Selina, because he knows that once they cross paths as Batman and Catwoman, he will have to stop her.

Read my post right above yours; we basically said the same thing; except I think THAT'S the gripping part of the film

 

[Blue_Scholar]

These are great points.

 

[Nevincer]

Seeing as it's relevant to Selina Kyle discussion, I thought I'd mention this, because it's screamed out to me a few times when watching Begins and made me pretty sure we'd be seeing Catwoman sometime in the future of this franchise even before it was announced:

The first time I stole so that I wouldn't starve, yes, I lost many assumptions about the simple nature of right and wrong.

Now I could be entirerly wrong, but was this line a kind of nod, or set up, to Batman's relationship with Catwoman? The idea that perhaps Bruce in some way had the potential to sympathize with certain criminals based on their motivations for comitting crime in the first place? And this could allude to the complications he would have in the future with Selina, trying to understand her as opposed to just locking her up?

 

[Kynergy]

Read my post right above yours; we basically said the same thing; except I think THAT'S the gripping part of the film

Ya, I read it right after I made my post, and I agree entirely. I really hope Nolan does something along these lines, because it would be so interesting to see on screen, especially with Bale and Hathaway.

 

[The_Raganork]

I've always been a huge Catwoman fan, I'm very glad I'm going to see Nolan's interpretation of her; he's a masterful storyteller, I can only imagine how awesome this is going to be

 

[kvz5]

I don't know where to post this but this is hilarious:

http://www.gigwise.com/news/64448/T...chael-Caine-In-Trouble-With-Christopher-Nolan

The Dark Knight Rises: Michael Caine In Trouble With Christopher Nolan

Security on the third and final part of Nolan's Batman trilogy is exteremely tight, with no information whatsoever being able to leave the set.

Caine told The Daily Express: "I'm lucky to be able to mention the title. I've already got in trouble for mentioning I'm working on it and that we're filming. Chris phoned saying, 'Why did you say that? You shouldn't have said that!"

The veteran actor will no doubt be wise to hold his own counsel between now and the movie's release date.

The Dark Knight Rises, which sees Christian Bale reprising his role as the Caped Crusader, is released on July 20, 2012.

 

[Nevincer]

That's old news Kvz5, you can find the actual audio for that interview on Batman-News.com, and it is hilarious

Here's the link.

 

[Kynergy]

Seeing as it's relevant to Selina Kyle discussion, I thought I'd mention this, because it's screamed out to me a few times when watching Begins and made me pretty sure we'd be seeing Catwoman sometime in the future of this franchise even before it was announced:



Now I could be entirerly wrong, but was this line a kind of nod, or set up, to Batman's relationship with Catwoman? The idea that perhaps Bruce in some way had the potential to sympathize with certain criminals based on their motivations for comitting crime in the first place? And this could allude to the complications he would have in the future with Selina, trying to understand her as opposed to just locking her up?

I think Bruce could sympathize with Selina. I don't see Bruce at all trying to get Selina arrested. But as Catwoman, I don't think he will feel any sympathy. Batman seems to see all criminals as criminals, no matter what there excuse is. We've seen him stop petty street thugs in the narrows in BB. They may have been poor, but they were still criminals. So he may sympathize with Selina the victim, but not Catwoman the criminal.

 

[The_Raganork]

I think Bruce could sympathize with Selina. I don't see Bruce at all trying to get Selina arrested. But as Catwoman, I don't think he will feel any sympathy. Batman seems to see all criminals as criminals, no matter what there excuse is. We've seen him stop petty street thugs in the narrows in BB. They may have been poor, but they were still criminals. So he may sympathize with Selina the victim, but not Catwoman the criminal.

This part of BB always confused me a bit.

Ra's brings up that Bruce felt sympathy for criminals because he was starving...

But then Ra's goes on about Criminals being criminals.

Batman's rule of thumb for every criminal is very Ra's Al Ghul in nature; there are tremendous differences in criminals and Batman does seem to care about them...which is ironic because he is one.

I wonder if this Al Ghul way of thinking will manifest or be dissolved because of Selena

 

[kvz5]

That's old news Kvz5, you can find the actual audio for that interview on Batman-News.com, and it is hilarious

Here's the link.

Ah, I must've missed it. Thanks! t:

 

[coderaven24]

I would like to be honest. But I don't see Batman and Catwoman having a happy ending. I don't think she will be fighting Bane or anyone other than guards and Batman.

I truly think Catwoman is here to test his ability to not be corupted.

I believe Batman will rise to the ocasion , play her mind games and have the girl arrested for her crimes.

 

[The_Raganork]

I would like to be honest. But I don't see Batman and Catwoman having a happy ending. I don't think she will be fighting Bane or anyone other than guards and Batman.

I truly think Catwoman is here to test his ability to not be corupted.

I believe Batman will rise to the ocasion , play her mind games and have the girl arrested for her crimes.

I'm sure ultimately this may be the result but, historically Catwoman has done a lot more than that.

What Test Batman's allegiance to her Vs. Justice is that she appears to be one of the few people he can actually trust. Her fighting Bane would show that trust to him but, then something always happens where that trust could have been misplaced or misread.

But for the ultimate answer Catwoman is probably just as trustworthy as he is.

 

[Kynergy]

I would like to be honest. But I don't see Batman and Catwoman having a happy ending. I don't think she will be fighting Bane or anyone other than guards and Batman.

I truly think Catwoman is here to test his ability to not be corupted.

I believe Batman will rise to the ocasion , play her mind games and have the girl arrested for her crimes.

Yes, Catwoman is here to show that Batman wont be corrupted again. What she is going to do is help Bruce and Batman live separate lives. As Bruce, he will look at Selina as Selina, not as Catwoman. But as Batman, he wont let his personal feeling get in the way, and when he comes across Catwoman, he will try to stop her. Batman wont be corrupted, because he is ignoring his feelings as Bruce. And Bruce wont be corrupted, because he is ignoring his feelings as Batman. He was corrupted in TDK by choosing Rachael over Harvey, but I think Selina will show him how to not make the same mistake.

Edit: But, I do think the two of them will fight Bane together. I don't think Batman will be able to defeat him entirely on his own, and he will seek help from someone. Catwoman could give him that help.

 

[filrhcp]

Guys, I tought about that... The thing with Batman riding a burning plane, this might be to show us that Batman CAN ride a plane, maybe even a bat-plane..... What do you think about that ?

 

[Kynergy]

If he is on the plane, I don't think it will be his. He will probably be on it to stop someone (maybe Bane), and he ends up having to land the plane after some sort of struggle. I doubt we will be seeing a batwing in this movie. It's to easy to trace it to where it lands, and just seems impractical at this point.

 

[The_Raganork]

Landing a plane is hardly ever an inconspicuous thing.

Landing a plane on the outskirts of a major city while under police surveillance seems...impossible

 

[Sith Scotti]

Batman corrupted again ? When was he corroupt in the first place.


Catwoman is here because she is the antithesis of Rachel . Rachel could not understand or live with the duality . Catwoman enjoys it . I do think Bruce will get her to be a bit more on the side of good at the end . The reverse of Harvey .

 

[Nevincer]

Batman corrupted again ? When was he corroupt in the first place.


Catwoman is here because she is the antithesis of Rachel . Rachel could not understand or live with the duality . Catwoman enjoys it . I do think Bruce will get her to be a bit more on the side of good at the end . The reverse of Harvey .