BvS The "things that bothered me" Thread

[Verick808]

I'm going to say this again. Don't we already have a thread for this? The what went wrong thread or whatever. Why aren't we using that one?

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Let's unpack this, point-by-point.



Superman agrees at the end of Man Of Steel that he is working with the U.S. Government. Not against it. Why would Superman need Zod's body? What would he do with it?




Again, the government quarantined the ship. How is this a point against Superman? What was he going to do? Say, "No. You can't have this ship that just crashed through the city killing hundreds. It's mine." ?

He is working with the government as a sign of good will so that they will show him the same.

The terraforming machine in the Indian Ocean is left there because the people and governments in the area don't have the resources to move it.



It was definitely, without a doubt The Flash. And it doesn't need to be addressed in this film. It is a vision/visit from another time/place. It will have effects and ramifications in other films. It is part of a larger story they are telling. It's not just a stand-alone film.



Well, I don't know what scene you are talking about. It was Diana Prince who clicked through the individual clips and watched the surveillance files of the various other metahumans.

And it fits in the plot because Lex Luthor hates these modern Gods. He believes they are dangerous and could all become rulers over humans. He is under the impression that all myths are based on actual, living beings: the metahuman thesis. And he is investigating them all.

Diana is looking to find a 100-year-old photo of her that Lex has, so that she is not exposed as a metahuman and can live in peace.

And by the end of the film, Bruce is inspired to do better as a hero and he is aware of the larger threat coming to Earth. He knows he needs to find these metahumans and bring them together to protect the Earth. He needs to react differently to them and better to their existence than he did to Superman's. He cannot make the same mistake twice.



This I don't think I'll even respond to. I'm sorry the physics of long hair underwater bothered you. But some of the complaints that are being hurled at this film are bordering self-parody. This is one of those times.



Yes. Lex knows Superman and Clark Kent are one in the same. But at the moment, with Superman dead -- there really is no danger that Martha Kent faces. Why would anyone go after her if it's not going to be a way to get to her son?



Superman and Wonder Woman were both tossed around a fair amount by Doomsday. Wonder Woman was slammed back into a wall and tossed away onto the ground before she smiles, grabs her sword and returns to battle.

Superman held his own. Laying the smackdown on Doomsday around the Heroes Park statue and literally flying him into outer space and beating the hell out of him and holding his head, flying it into a collision with a nuclear weapon.

I don't know what you're talking about.



Do you realize that in The Dark Knight Trilogy Batman has been in existence for 10 years? And his tenure as the Batman goes as follows:

First appearance.
Active for about two years.
Retires for 8 years.
Returns to take down Bane.
"Dies" and retires.

Batman in the Nolan verse is only active for about 2-3 years.

In both the DCEU and the Nolan-verse, the tenure of the heroes fits the stories.



These points I can agree with.

I loved the sardonic, world weary Alfred who has almost become an enabler to Bruce.

I loved seeing Bruce prepare before a battle.

And yes, the new entrance to the Batcave was vintage comic book.

-R

So you're trying to say this thread bothers you.

 

[JtheDreamer]

It was definitely, without a doubt The Flash. And it doesn't need to be addressed in this film. It is a vision/visit from another time/place. It will have effects and ramifications in other films. It is part of a larger story they are telling. It's not just a stand-alone film.
-R

Why would Bruce be having visions like that? At the end of the day it was a cheap, unearned tie into the JL. Just like Lex's yammering at the end. If they're going to go there in the movie, something more was needed.

 

[antoineflemming]

Do you realize that in The Dark Knight Trilogy Batman has been in existence for 10 years? And his tenure as the Batman goes as follows:

First appearance.
Active for about two years.
Retires for 8 years.
Returns to take down Bane.
"Dies" and retires.

Batman in the Nolan verse is only active for about 2-3 years.

In both the DCEU and the Nolan-verse, the tenure of the heroes fits the stories.

Um, TDK takes place months after BB. Months. Like, 8 months or so I think. Joker generalizes it to a year. He's active for like, a year at most.

So not even 2 years. Then he comes back, is seen in public for one night, and then gets beat down and disappears. Then he comes back for one night and one day, and then disappears again. This is a Batman who is active for only a year. Chew on that. At least Superman gets to actually do Superman stuff during his 2 years. Better than just 1 year.

But yeah, the time he's Superman is at least better than the time Nolan's Batman is active.

 

[Creo]

Why would he have needed to look up Clark? Clark was a nobody. It was irrelevant. It's not like Batman would use Clark's earthly family to hurt him. It's not like he'd even think an alien would have an earthly family. There was no point to Batman looking up Clark. That's pointless information. The world's greatest detective doesn't mean that he knows everything about everyone just for the sake of knowing everything about everyone.

I'm not claiming that he would ever use information like that to harm anyone, but if he knows his identity, knowing familial relations is basic groundwork. Any database online would have that information.

Or maybe he didn't know Clark's identity, but I thought he did. Either way, it still doesn't explain why he suddenly forgets that he's fighting him because he's a giant, potential threat to the earth because their mom's share the same name.

 

[Robin91939]

Why would Bruce be having visions like that? At the end of the day it was a cheap, unearned tie into the JL. Just like Lex's yammering at the end. If they're going to go there in the movie, something more was needed.

It wasn't a vision. It was a flash forward in time. We see what is in store for us on what may be the current or could be an alternate timeline.

If it's a dream, we're supposed to think Bruce has prophetic dreams? That he has precognitive skills?

It's a time jump and then when we cut back to him in present time in the Batcave, he is asleep and wakes to a visit from the Flash.

Bruce doesn't know if it's dream or reality.

-R

 

[Robin91939]

Um, TDK takes place months after BB. Months. Like, 8 months or so I think. Joker generalizes it to a year. He's active for like, a year at most.

So not even 2 years. Then he comes back, is seen in public for one night, and then gets beat down and disappears. Then he comes back for one night and one day, and then disappears again. This is a Batman who is active for only a year. Chew on that. At least Superman gets to actually do Superman stuff during his 2 years. Better than just 1 year.

But yeah, the time he's Superman is at least better than the time Nolan's Batman is active.

I was being generous.

The point is -- people are going to complain that Superman's death is too soon, but Bruce retired in The Dark Knight Trilogy after two movies that amount to about 12-18 months. Then comes back 8 years later for what amounts to another few months before retiring for good.

-R

 

[antoineflemming]

I'm not claiming that he would ever use information like that to harm anyone, but if he knows his identity, knowing familial relations is basic groundwork. Any database online would have that information.

Or maybe he didn't know Clark's identity, but I thought he did. Either way, it still doesn't explain why he suddenly forgets that he's fighting him because he's a giant, potential threat to the earth because their mom's share the same name.

It's irrelevant though. That's not just basic groundwork imo. One, I'm not sure if he knew his identity. Considering he only had one interaction with Clark Kent, and his first interaction with Superman was at night in an altogether different context, he probably didn't put it together that he was Clark. And that doesn't cheapen Batman. Batman just wasn't in a situation where he'd even need to do that. Plus, he was focused on his mission - stopping KGBeast.

I think he stops fighting because he recognizes that Superman is, in essence, human, as in, he's just like everyone else. He's got people he cares about. He's not just this alien monster who is altogether not like humans. Remember, Batman wanted to literally kill Superman. But he had no real interaction with Superman to get to know him, so, to Batman, he was just an alien god unilaterally making decisions with consequences that hurt humans.

So that's why he stops. And not only that, it's not just saying his mother's name. Superman told him that he was trying to save Martha. That humanized Superman for Batman.

 

[JtheDreamer]

It wasn't a vision. It was a flash forward in time. We see what is in store for us on what may be the current or could be an alternate timeline.

If it's a dream, we're supposed to think Bruce has prophetic dreams? That he has precognitive skills?

It's a time jump and then when we cut back to him in present time in the Batcave, he is asleep and wakes to a visit from the Flash.

Bruce doesn't know if it's dream or reality.

-R

That's not how I remembered it. The way it was presented came off more like a dream within a dream. Bruce wakes up in the first layer after his heart is ripped out. Then we get the Flash yelling that "he's right about him". Then Wayne officially wakes up at his desk.

Regardless a time jump is completely out of place within the movie if that's the case.

 

[antoineflemming]

I was being generous.

The point is -- people are going to complain that Superman's death is too soon, but Bruce retired in The Dark Knight Trilogy after two movies that amount to about 12-18 months. Then comes back 8 years later for what amounts to another few months before retiring for good.

-R

And, remember, he's not being Batman for a few months in TDKR. He's being Batman for a total of like what, two nights and a day?

 

[Shazam]

Let's unpack this, point-by-point.



Superman agrees at the end of Man Of Steel that he is working with the U.S. Government. Not against it. Why would Superman need Zod's body? What would he do with it?

Dispose of it..... So that evil men can't ..oops....Bio-engineer a monster?


Again, the government quarantined the ship. How is this a point against Superman? What was he going to do? Say, "No. You can't have this ship that just crashed through the city killing hundreds. It's mine." ?

He is working with the government as a sign of good will so that they will show him the same.

How'd that work out for them?? If he's gonna let the government have the ship (which was stupid) Then lift the ship outta the heavily populated city and into the desert! the ship had weapons!!!



The terraforming machine in the Indian Ocean is left there because the people and governments in the area don't have the resources to move it.

Dude.....Superman (not the those governments) could have lifted that machine and threw it into space or simply destroyed it..... It was dangerous. And still is, if somefigures out how it can be reactivated.



It was definitely, without a doubt The Flash. And it doesn't need to be addressed in this film. It is a vision/visit from another time/place. It will have effects and ramifications in other films. It is part of a larger story they are telling. It's not just a stand-alone film.

If Snyder is directing it.....we wont remember it

Well, I don't know what scene you are talking about. It was Diana Prince who clicked through the individual clips and watched the surveillance files of the various other metahumans.

And it fits in the plot because Lex Luthor hates these modern Gods. He believes they are dangerous and could all become rulers over humans. He is under the impression that all myths are based on actual, living beings: the metahuman thesis. And he is investigating them all.

Diana is looking to find a 100-year-old photo of her that Lex has, so that she is not exposed as a metahuman and can live in peace.

And by the end of the film, Bruce is inspired to do better as a hero and he is aware of the larger threat coming to Earth. He knows he needs to find these metahumans and bring them together to protect the Earth. He needs to react differently to them and better to their existence than he did to Superman's. He cannot make the same mistake twice.



This I don't think I'll even respond to. I'm sorry the physics of long hair underwater bothered you. But some of the complaints that are being hurled at this film are bordering self-parody. This is one of those times.

It didnt work well........simple enough?

Yes. Lex knows Superman and Clark Kent are one in the same. But at the moment, with Superman dead -- there really is no danger that Martha Kent faces. Why would anyone go after her if it's not going to be a way to get to her son?

Because Superman is coming back. When he does, game on....Are you telling me that she's safe?? She was nearly killed in this film.

Superman and Wonder Woman were both tossed around a fair amount by Doomsday. Wonder Woman was slammed back into a wall and tossed away onto the ground before she smiles, grabs her sword and returns to battle.

And she looked not a bit bothered.


Superman held his own. Laying the smackdown on Doomsday around the Heroes Park statue and literally flying him into outer space and beating the hell out of him and holding his head, flying it into a collision with a nuclear weapon.

I don't know what you're talking about.



Do you realize that in The Dark Knight Trilogy Batman has been in existence for 10 years? And his tenure as the Batman goes as follows:

First appearance.
Active for about two years.
Retires for 8 years.
Returns to take down Bane.
"Dies" and retires.

Batman in the Nolan verse is only active for about 2-3 years.

In both the DCEU and the Nolan-verse, the tenure of the heroes fits the stories.

In this new DC movie universe which started with MOS, Clark has only been Superman for TWO years. That's it. There is no more Nolan Batman now. This is the Affleck universe.

These points I can agree with.

I loved the sardonic, world weary Alfred who has almost become an enabler to Bruce.

I loved seeing Bruce prepare before a battle.

And yes, the new entrance to the Batcave was vintage comic book.

-R

By the way, there's a "positivity thread" for you on this forum. This thread was Not for folks who had no problems at all, like yourself.

If nothing bothered you, why are you over here? IJS

 

[Shazam]

Why would Bruce be having visions like that? At the end of the day it was a cheap, unearned tie into the JL. Just like Lex's yammering at the end. If they're going to go there in the movie, something more was needed.

Rushed and jammed in...

 

[antoineflemming]

It wasn't a vision. It was a flash forward in time. We see what is in store for us on what may be the current or could be an alternate timeline.

If it's a dream, we're supposed to think Bruce has prophetic dreams? That he has precognitive skills?

It's a time jump and then when we cut back to him in present time in the Batcave, he is asleep and wakes to a visit from the Flash.

Bruce doesn't know if it's dream or reality.

-R

It's definitely a dream, then a vision of sorts. It's not a time jump. It's not that Bruce has prophetic dreams. It's that this is how the Flash interacts with time and with the speed force.

 

[antoineflemming]

By the way, there's a "positivity thread" for you on this forum. This thread was Not for folks who had no problems at all, like yourself.

If nothing bothered you, why are you over here? IJS

So people can only be positive in the positivity thread? Why is your thread even here when there's a What went wrong with the film thread? If you're bothered, why don't you use every other thread on the Hype to talk about your problems with the film?

 

[Mister J]

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