The Tobey Maguire/Peter Parker Thread

Not too mention Peter when established a few years down in the comics was actually a good looking guy, hence why he could get the attention of the hot females. Maguire however is not.

Peter was always a good looking guy, from day 1, its just that he was going through puberty at the time he became spider-man and his looks were disguised by the thick, taped-together spectacles and his rather advanced IQ. Remember, Liz Alen was like the Regina George of mid town high (without the whole overblown b1tch attitude) and she had a thing for Pete too, when she was rolling i circles with Flash and their cronies.
 
^^Make Spider-Man...funny. Or at least trying to be funny, instead of trying to be a mime. That could help.
And keep the bad guys alive--that would work, too.

...and for spidey to keep his damn mask on. See the final battle in sm2, spidey just takes his mask of in such a casual way, revealing himself to Doc Ock like it was nothing. I felt like punching him for doing something so damn out of character.
 
People who think Tobey doesn't play Peter Parker honeslty never read the Lee/Ditko years or early Romita.

Sure Romita and Lee (more Conway and after) turned him into a stud after a while and made him less introverted and he has had a slower progression of that in the movies but he didn't turn into "cool dude" Parker as that is a bit of a radical change later writers created adn not Raimi's favorite interpretation and not a realistic arc for a character in these movies to change that much under one consistant vision that doesn't have 40 years of stories...in short I think Maguire plays early Parker well and a different transistion into less of a geek, too though.

See, the thing is, there's still too much lack in Parker's persona. We don't get to see his full nature that Stan established at the start of it all. Where's the human characteristics of emotion that he should be displaying? I'm specifically talking about getting angry, making snide retorts and standing up for himself now and again....these are normal behavioural patterns for anyone and are characteristics Stan gave Pete from the get go. However, what we get is, Peter being primarily abused by pretty much everyone, he's being walked on all over and just takes and accepts the bs thrown his way....I suppose thats one of the reasons why I love spidey 3 so much because even though he was under the influence of the symbiot, I was seeing a more accurate and familiar portrayal of Peter/spider-man.....and I have fears for sm4 in which the character will regress back to the introvert he was in sm1 and 2.

How do I want my spider-man? I direct you all to the armoured car scene in sm3, that entire sequence was vintage spider-man in every imaginable way.
 
i was thinking, if they do recast,do you think they will cast more known actors because this is a big movie franchise and some unkonwn actors might screw it up or would they just go for unknowns?
 
I couldn't care less, as long as they look the parts and do a damn good acting job that reflects the source material.
 
I really think Maguire did play early Parker quite well in the first movie. He goes from a nerdy geek to losing his glasses and was considered good looking when the first movie opened. He did pursue MJ before he didn't know he could have her. He did hit on her and started talking more. He did stand up to Flash, started talking back to Uncle Ben and I think he got pretty damn angry when Uncle Ben died and when GG thratetened to kill MJ...among other things at the end. Or when she was kidanpped by GG to begin with.

Sure in sM2 he regressed back to nerdy introverted Parker for over a third of the movie, but that was the point. He was trying to regress to a time in his life when things were simpler and be himself. He started wearing glasses again and the whole nine yards but then again he also became more vocal with MJ and going after her. He also was one to show anger or annoyance in the heat of things. He didn't take crap from Ock or the train instructor, etc. Sure he took it from Connors and Harry but one was his best friend and the other was his professor. He isn't going to talk back. Same with Jonah (though he is less pushed around in SM2 and he takes charge with symbiote in SM3). And his taking his mask off in front of Doc Ock made sense for the character in that he knew he couldn't stop it himself and he had minutes or less to save their lives along with the rest of Manhattan's. He thought it was the only way to get through to Octavious so he made a quick decision. It paid off. And that shot of him looking back at Ock captures the quiet nobility that Parker in the comics has always had and turning around to see MJ. To me the movie reached a level of unsurpassed quality in a superhero movie from that moment to the final shot. It was just perfect.

If anything I felt he became a little geekier at the beginning of SM3 to make the transition to Dark Parker more surprising and startling. Though he acted more confidant as Spider-Man and more of an adult as Peter. And by the end he didn't say a word to get MJ back, but quietly took an adult step at forgiving each other and not saying anything. He finally grew up at the end of this movie.

I think Maguire captures early Parker and his quiet nobility (without having an inner-monologue to help, except in the notrious grave scene at the end of SM1) that has always been prevelant. No he doesn't make a lot of wisecracks. I think it is partly because they would hamper action scenes if he was joking all the time but he has a few at the same time I think it is a distrust in maguire's delivery (though I thought his wisecrack delivery in the games SM1 and especially SM2 were good. In the SM3 game though he just sounded bored).

In the end I think Maguire is a very strong nuanced character actor. He doesn't play broad in the classical sense. In the Spider-Man movies he plays his character broad but he prefers inhabiting the character than performing the character for the audience. He seems to want to just present his interpretation of the character. It is why he was so good in Cider House Rules, Seabiscuit, Wonder Boys, Pleasentville and a favorite of Ang Lee in Ride with the Devil and The Ice Storm.

I don't think Jake Gyllenhaal is nearly as good an actor. I think he is more a movie star persona. Though he proved to be decent in both the films October Sky and Donnie Darko and has sense actually proven to be a very good actor in films such as Jarhead and Brokeback Mountain. But he still uses the performing persona. He is less of a character actor than a star actor in that compare his very heavy handed approach in Brokeback Mountain to Heath Ledger in that movie or Maguire in Ang Lee movies.

I think fans want that type of acting from Spider-Man but I think we have such a good actor doing it now, I'm not in a hurry to lose him. Especially since the story he started to tell isn't over (Pete and MJ aren't married yet). But fans want their Hugh Jackman in the role metaphorically speaking which is why Jake G is so popular as a replacement. That and he is more handsome, but that isn't a big deal to me.

However, I will point that Sony will likely replace this cast with actors who are going to probably be playing the Maguire interpretation as to ensure formula success for Sony, so don't expect Parker to be the college swinger he became, at least by graduate school in the comics where he had every woman he met throw themselves at him. Oh well.
 
I really think Maguire did play early Parker quite well in the first movie. He goes from a nerdy geek to losing his glasses and was considered good looking when the first movie opened. He did pursue MJ before he didn't know he could have her. He did hit on her and started talking more. He did stand up to Flash, started talking back to Uncle Ben and I think he got pretty damn angry when Uncle Ben died and when GG thratetened to kill MJ...among other things at the end. Or when she was kidanpped by GG to begin with.

Sure in sM2 he regressed back to nerdy introverted Parker for over a third of the movie, but that was the point. He was trying to regress to a time in his life when things were simpler and be himself. He started wearing glasses again and the whole nine yards but then again he also became more vocal with MJ and going after her. He also was one to show anger or annoyance in the heat of things. He didn't take crap from Ock or the train instructor, etc. Sure he took it from Connors and Harry but one was his best friend and the other was his professor. He isn't going to talk back. Same with Jonah (though he is less pushed around in SM2 and he takes charge with symbiote in SM3). And his taking his mask off in front of Doc Ock made sense for the character in that he knew he couldn't stop it himself and he had minutes or less to save their lives along with the rest of Manhattan's. He thought it was the only way to get through to Octavious so he made a quick decision. It paid off. And that shot of him looking back at Ock captures the quiet nobility that Parker in the comics has always had and turning around to see MJ. To me the movie reached a level of unsurpassed quality in a superhero movie from that moment to the final shot. It was just perfect.

If anything I felt he became a little geekier at the beginning of SM3 to make the transition to Dark Parker more surprising and startling. Though he acted more confidant as Spider-Man and more of an adult as Peter. And by the end he didn't say a word to get MJ back, but quietly took an adult step at forgiving each other and not saying anything. He finally grew up at the end of this movie.


I think Maguire captures early Parker and his quiet nobility (without having an inner-monologue to help, except in the notrious grave scene at the end of SM1) that has always been prevelant. No he doesn't make a lot of wisecracks. I think it is partly because they would hamper action scenes if he was joking all the time but he has a few at the same time I think it is a distrust in maguire's delivery (though I thought his wisecrack delivery in the games SM1 and especially SM2 were good. In the SM3 game though he just sounded bored).

In the end I think Maguire is a very strong nuanced character actor. He doesn't play broad in the classical sense. In the Spider-Man movies he plays his character broad but he prefers inhabiting the character than performing the character for the audience. He seems to want to just present his interpretation of the character. It is why he was so good in Cider House Rules, Seabiscuit, Wonder Boys, Pleasentville and a favorite of Ang Lee in Ride with the Devil and The Ice Storm.

I don't think Jake Gyllenhaal is nearly as good an actor. I think he is more a movie star persona. Though he proved to be decent in both the films October Sky and Donnie Darko and has sense actually proven to be a very good actor in films such as Jarhead and Brokeback Mountain. But he still uses the performing persona. He is less of a character actor than a star actor in that compare his very heavy handed approach in Brokeback Mountain to Heath Ledger in that movie or Maguire in Ang Lee movies.

I think fans want that type of acting from Spider-Man but I think we have such a good actor doing it now, I'm not in a hurry to lose him. Especially since the story he started to tell isn't over (Pete and MJ aren't married yet). But fans want their Hugh Jackman in the role metaphorically speaking which is why Jake G is so popular as a replacement. That and he is more handsome, but that isn't a big deal to me.

However, I will point that Sony will likely replace this cast with actors who are going to probably be playing the Maguire interpretation as to ensure formula success for Sony, so don't expect Parker to be the college swinger he became, at least by graduate school in the comics where he had every woman he met throw themselves at him. Oh well.

Excatly by the end of the third movie of the trilogy,Peter Parker grew up from (The Nerdy Teenager who turned into a Superhero by Tragedy, To wise Adult , responsible and soon to be loveable Superhero husband of Mary Jane Watson, his parents & Uncle Ben would be so proud of .)

Peter Parker once again by the end of the film grew up and learned three very powerful & important lesson's that will shape him up into the man he's Destined to become .

1. He learned "That a Husband has to put his wife first before himself" & be understanding to the feelings of his wife,

2. He's learned "Revenge is like a poison it can take you over and before you know it turn's you into something ugly ."

3. He's learned “Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. He chose to be the best of himself. It’s the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what’s right.”
 
^ K... then what was with the whole "Sometimes we have to be steady and give up our dreams in order to do what's right" thing he said to Doc Ock at the end? Was that all just bull***** or what? :)
 
^ That was the promo.

In movie 2 he learned sometimes to do what is right you have to give up the thing you want the most and that you can balance your life and do not have to ruin it by pushing so hard one way or the other. In SM3 he learns how to balance it...I think.
 
No in movie 2 he learned

Choice - Sacrifice - Destiny

In movie 1 he learned about

Responsibility
Hate to nitpick but that's what #3 is. What's with "...we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that" if he already learned it before?
 
^ K... then what was with the whole "Sometimes we have to be steady and give up our dreams in order to do what's right" thing he said to Doc Ock at the end? Was that all just bull***** or what? :)


That was peter talking about Sacrifice . He learned that as much as he wanted to be with MJ living an ordinary life, and forsake the path of The Hero (SPIDER-MAN), that was never his choice to make , he's been giving these Amazing superpowers for a reason and it's his Responsibility to use them to help mankind .

So he make the choice and the painful Sacrifice at the coffee shop scene to push MJ away to be SPIDER-MAN .
 
Excatly by the end of the third movie of the trilogy,Peter Parker grew up from (The Nerdy Teenager who turned into a Superhero by Tragedy, To wise Adult , responsible and soon to be loveable Superhero husband of Mary Jane Watson, his parents & Uncle Ben would be so proud of .)

Peter Parker once again by the end of the film grew up and learned three very powerful & important lesson's that will shape him up into the man he's Destined to become .

1. He learned "That a Husband has to put his wife first before himself" & be understanding to the feelings of his wife,

2. He's learned "Revenge is like a poison it can take you over and before you know it turn's you into something ugly ."

3. He's learned “Whatever comes our way, whatever battle we have raging inside us, we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that. He chose to be the best of himself. It’s the choices that make us who we are, and we can always choose to do what’s right.”
Well said, and that is one of the things I love about the Peter Parker character. he still has lessons to learn, and he then learns from his mistakes. And Tobey plays that out so pefectley. IMO, the lessons learned in the Spidey films is one of the reasons why the Spidey films have grossed so much money and why so many people have seen them.
 
So he make the choice and the painful Sacrifice at the coffee shop scene to push MJ away to be SPIDER-MAN .

Exactly! He learned he has choices in Spider-Man 2. Remember when he went to the doctor because he thought he was sick? The doctor told him, "You always have a choice, Peter" and he repeated, "I have a choice". He chose to give up being Spider-Man, and then he learned that in order to do what's right sometimes he has to sacrifice his dreams, and he chose to do what is right.
 
Hate to nitpick but that's what #3 is. What's with "...we always have a choice. My friend Harry taught me that" if he already learned it before?

In movie three the kind of choice Peter was talking about was a different choice than movie two . (SPIDER-MAN 3 - Choosing to confront the darkness within himself or let it consume him until he becomes the very evil, he's fought so hard against with the many super villains he's faced)

Peter (knowing full well what the symbiote's influence had on a preson's character, after his first meeting with Doctor Conner's when he show him the sample to run some test . And Conner's warned him of the danger) Willing chose to confront Sandman/Flint Marko in the Black suit instead of his Classic suit @ the Bank robbery /Underground subway battle . Again he made the choice to confront Harry Osborn/New Goblin @ his house with the Black suit on instead of his regular clothes he had on .
 
Well to me the whole trilogy was about choice, and the third one was more about universal choices, not just Spider-Man's choices.
 
When he started out in the show, yes. He still has it, but not as much now.
 
Come on guys let's get back on topic, this thread is about Tobey Maguire as SPIDER-MAN/ Peter Parker not who should replace him .

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Please get back on topic . :spidey:
 

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