The Topher Grace/ Eddie Brock Thread

[Mr Jide]

^Hey, thats what fanboys do best.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Go see In Good Company.

He is actually a very good actor.

Who did you want for Venom by the way? Please don't say a wrestler, though.

I saw IGC. Topher was out of place there too. He's horrendous. Hopefully, there will be a sequel to "Not Another Teen Movie". Then maybe there will be a part he coudl handle.
As for who I wanted for Eddie/Venom:

Matthew Schulze, Kevin Grevioux and Ralf Moeller come to mind.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

It should never be a matter of either/or. Each person cast for a role should have the proper look & screen presence, which Topher did not. That person should also be able to act, which Topher cannot. He was especially awful in the church scene. He cannot pull off a dramatic scene,period. He should stick to goofy teen material. That is the only thing to which he's suited.

Not true. Topher isn't as big as Brock was in the Comics, big deal? defenitley not. would you rather of had bad acting just so that Brock could be buff? Movie Brock has the blonde spikey hair, he wears a tie, he lost his job, etc. those and other things of Eddie Brock are in the Comics. tTo be honest, the Buffnes is not a big deal at all.

 

[Flint Marko]

It should never be a matter of either/or. Each person cast for a role should have the proper look & screen presence, which Topher did not. That person should also be able to act, which Topher cannot. He was especially awful in the church scene. He cannot pull off a dramatic scene,period. He should stick to goofy teen material. That is the only thing to which he's suited.

You kidding me?
Topher is a great actor, and I thought he played the church scene amazingly. I can't believe there are still venom fanboys whining about this....

 

[DACrowe]

Yeah. I mean at least he was faithful in appearence once transformed and menace.

I mean, HE COULD HAVE BEEN A CLOUD. To think how whiney fans around here can get and then go see FF fans defend the ball of gas that was Galactus in FF2.

It's kind of funny.

 

[dodus]

I mean, HE COULD HAVE BEEN A CLOUD. To think how whiney fans around here can get and then go see FF fans defend the ball of gas that was Galactus in FF2.

If there was EVER something for geeks to rise up and decry, this it is. Too bad we all squandered our *****ing rights a long, long time ago.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Not true. Topher isn't as big as Brock was in the Comics, big deal? defenitley not. would you rather of had bad acting just so that Brock could be buff? Movie Brock has the blonde spikey hair, he wears a tie, he lost his job, etc. those and other things of Eddie Brock are in the Comics. tTo be honest, the Buffnes is not a big deal at all.

So you don't think that an actor's look should have anything to do with casting? OK, let me ask you this: what if Raimi had cast Patrick Stewart as Spider-man? He's a well established actor so nothing else should matter, according to your definition.
You are still missing the point of what I'm saying. Brock should have been a large actor AND a good one. No either/or. Those were both essential elements. What we got instead was an annoying, talentless, stick boy who detracted from the film every second he was on screen.

Edit: There is also a difference between a two toned metrosexual/GQ haircut and a simple buzz.

 

[DrMylesOBoogie]

He was the best thing in a poor movie but would have made a better peter parker/spider-man.

 

[FNSpidey]

I mean, HE COULD HAVE BEEN A CLOUD. To think how whiney fans around here can get and then go see FF fans defend the ball of gas that was Galactus in FF2.

It's kind of funny.

That's what I've been saying time and time again. FF fans are ecstatic with a 90-minutes movie with zero heart, in which Doom is actually just Victor and Galactus is a cloud, while Spider-man fans whine about Venom's pronouns of preference.

It's kind of sad too.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

So you don't think that an actor's look should have anything to do with casting? OK, let me ask you this: what if Raimi had cast Patrick Stewart as Spider-man? He's a well established actor so nothing else should matter, according to your definition.
You are still missing the point of what I'm saying. Brock should have been a large actor AND a good one. No either/or. Those were both essential elements. What we got instead was an annoying, talentless, stick boy who detracted from the film every second he was on screen.

Edit: There is also a difference between a two toned metrosexual/GQ haircut and a simple buzz.

Patrick Stewart as Spider-man would have been horrible!. Only different thing about Brocks look is his Size. Sure Brock isn't as serious as He was in the Comics (not including when He had the Symbiote because when He had the Symbiote He was making wisecracks) but does that mean His Character wasn't great and interesting in this Film? defenitley not. And quite frankly a buff Brock wouldn't have worked to great because then we would have Hulk-Venom(Macfarlanes Venom is my favorite though) and Hulk-Venom would look a little goofy on Film but He does work out in thew Comics. but anyway, Topher Grace is an amazing Actor with so much talent and He expressed that talent as Eddie Brock. Brock in this Film was Flirty and sarcastic which IMO worked out great. By the way, Brocks Size shouldn't have any complaining about. It doesn't bother me and Me being a die hard Venom Fan myself, I know that Eddie Brock was treated right in this Movie.

 

[The Caped Knight]

So you don't think that an actor's look should have anything to do with casting? OK, let me ask you this: what if Raimi had cast Patrick Stewart as Spider-man? He's a well established actor so nothing else should matter, according to your definition.
You are still missing the point of what I'm saying. Brock should have been a large actor AND a good one. No either/or. Those were both essential elements. What we got instead was an annoying, talentless, stick boy who detracted from the film every second he was on screen.

Edit: There is also a difference between a two toned metrosexual/GQ haircut and a simple buzz.

Ok look I get you hate topher as Brock/Venom (that's your opinion) but that comment you just made is just prue non-sense even as an example .

Patrick is a very good actor and all. but ....

1. Is is an elderly actor (so right their your comment has no case)

2. He's already been established as Professor X / Charles Xavier of The X-men

3. He's Bald

 

[pjspider1C]

You people are ******ed. That's exactly the point 49erVenom was trying to make. He feels as though Topher Grace did not look the part of Eddie Brock. So he gave an exaggerated example of Patrick Stewart being cast as Spider-Man. While Patrick Stewart is an outstanding acting, his physical appearance rules him out of ever being Spider-Man. That's essentially how 49erVenom feels about Topher Grace as Eddie Brock.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

ya, but, useing an elder actor as example, doesn't really make since, unless he was say that topher was 30-40 years too old for the part

anyway

topher, worked for the way they wanted the character for be portrayed, its as simple as that, no one is trying to argue that he looked like the classic Eddie (casue he didn't) he wasn't suppose
rather you liked, this version of Eddie, or not, thats a matter of opinion,
and thats your opinion, which is fine

 

[Lantern Venom]

Patrick Stewart as Spider-man would have been horrible!. .

Ok look I get you hate topher as Brock/Venom (that's your opinion) but that comment you just made is just prue non-sense even as an example .

Patrick is a very good actor and all. but ....

1. Is is an elderly actor (so right their your comment has no case)


3. He's Bald

EXACTLY! So you both feel that an elderly, bald actor should automatically be excluded from playing Spider-man regardless of his body of work. In other words, physical characteristics ARE IMPORTANT. I feel the exact same way about Topher. Even if he was a good actor ( he is the very antithesis ), no small-to-normal size actor should have been consideration to play Venom. Just as Peter Parker's age is essential to his character so is Eddie Brock's size in relation to Venom.

 

[Lantern Venom]

You people are ******ed. That's exactly the point 49erVenom was trying to make. He feels as though Topher Grace did not look the part of Eddie Brock. So he gave an exaggerated example of Patrick Stewart being cast as Spider-Man. While Patrick Stewart is an outstanding acting, his physical appearance rules him out of ever being Spider-Man. That's essentially how 49erVenom feels about Topher Grace as Eddie Brock.

DING DING DING! At least somebody understood my point.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't think the analogy is perfect. But I see where you're coming from. But it is sometimes the quirky and unexpected casting that pays off the most and is the most satisfying. I'm sure if Grace had more screentime, we'd be more satisfied with his Venom.

But anyway, another example is Michael Keaton as Batman. He physically did not resemble the role whatsoever but he gave an amazing performance. One that just defined brooding superhero to this day (you think brooding superhero you think Keaton sitting alone in the batcave). And he gave the most layered performance of Batman I've seen yet. Is is much more sinister and darker than Bale's and while I prefer Bale's overall as a fan I can't help but think Keaton nailed Batman's voice and presence when he isn't fighting around in suit perfectly. Bale's tough Clint Eastwood/Donal Trump voice was a tad bit disappointing.

But I think that is a good comparison. Fans hated Keaton and he proved them wrong big time. Grace didn't have as much screentime but for what he had he was hitting it very well and I personally think Brock was always a shallow character in the comics so while having not enough screentime as a film character, Brock still was more complex and less inane than his comic book counterpart in the movie.

 

[Lantern Venom]

I don't think the analogy is perfect. But I see where you're coming from. But it is sometimes the quirky and unexpected casting that pays off the most and is the most satisfying. I'm sure if Grace had more screentime, we'd be more satisfied with his Venom.

But anyway, another example is Michael Keaton as Batman. He physically did not resemble the role whatsoever but he gave an amazing performance. One that just defined brooding superhero to this day (you think brooding superhero you think Keaton sitting alone in the batcave). And he gave the most layered performance of Batman I've seen yet. Is is much more sinister and darker than Bale's and while I prefer Bale's overall as a fan I can't help but think Keaton nailed Batman's voice and presence when he isn't fighting around in suit perfectly. Bale's tough Clint Eastwood/Donal Trump voice was a tad bit disappointing.

But I think that is a good comparison. Fans hated Keaton and he proved them wrong big time. Grace didn't have as much screentime but for what he had he was hitting it very well and I personally think Brock was always a shallow character in the comics so while having not enough screentime as a film character, Brock still was more complex and less inane than his comic book counterpart in the movie.

Keaton had two aspects that helped him win people over. The first is that Batman is *usually* drawn as larger than average man but not as a hulking powerlifter. He's the product of MMA training which produces a different muscle apperance. Plus, despite his size, Keaton has a serious, menacing side to his persona that came out in his portrayal of Batman. He was't perfect but he was good.
From the earliest Venom depictions, Brock is obsessed with weights. He spent years training to be ready for his encounters with Spidey. Once he moved to the sewers, he still made sure he had cold steel. It makes him stronger and the symbiote stronger. Thus, Topher's stick-like apperance left a gaping hole.
And I disagree totally on the movie version being complex. We got no glimpse into Brock's inner war of "Lethal Protector" side vs the "Get Spidey at all costs" side. That was shown early on in the ASM comics. What we got in the movie was a homogenized, one note villian.

 

[Stevens25]

I am a HUGE Venom fan and I must admit that I was worried when I first found about about Grace playing Venom. However,I loved his performance. The best in the film for me. I really liked how Raimi made him the exact copy to Peter Parker,except without the good moral code. He was Peter's darker image.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Happy Birthday Topher !

 

[DX]

Topher did a great job IMO.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Topher did a great job IMO.

Agreed. He played Eddie Brock/Venom perfectley!

 

[omid17]

topher just needed more time being venom than brock i think, i do agree he played perfectly, just wished he had more time be venom, and saying all those creepy cool lines.

 

[Matt Murdock]

I just read the "Birth of Venom" book of collected comics and, let me put it this way, the Venom storyline was far too big to be put into one movie. Venom was, in essence, toying with Spider-Man for a majority of the arc simply for the fun of it. Topher conveyed this well, his one-liners were well delivered, but there were some portions of Brock's story that had to be delivered better. These failures in story-telling, however, can be put onto the Raimi brothers' shoulders.

In my opinion, Topher Grace did a respectable job with what he was given. I won't say that he was perfect, because he wasn't, but he wasn't horrible.

 

[Uber Venom]

I can't picture a buff guy playing Brock in these movies.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I just read the "Birth of Venom" book of collected comics and, let me put it this way, the Venom storyline was far too big to be put into one movie. Venom was, in essence, toying with Spider-Man for a majority of the arc simply for the fun of it. Topher conveyed this well, his one-liners were well delivered, but there were some portions of Brock's story that had to be delivered better. These failures in story-telling, however, can be put onto the Raimi brothers' shoulders.

In my opinion, Topher Grace did a respectable job with what he was given. I won't say that he was perfect, because he wasn't, but he wasn't horrible.

the Venom Storyline was very long in the Comics and I agree with that. I enjoyed Venom in Spidey3. He delivered what He was meant to deliver and that is pure awesomness. Venom just toying with Spidey in the Comics would get a little odd on Film, especially if it's just to give Venom more screentime. Venom in Spidey3, was meant to show what Spidey could have become but He stopped it and got rid of the Symbiote but Brock let it consume Him as if it's a gift. Venom in Spidey3 wasn't meant to have a half an hour of screentime.