The Trump Thread!!!

[Webfoot Hero]

Whenever I hear the Koolaid comparison, I find it very insulting. I recall Jim Jones making his followers, including children, drink poison Koolaid and all of them dying. Its insulting. Just because I like what President Obama is doing for our country, does mean I am an idiot.

Some of your responses call into question whether you can look at Obama objectively and actually point out any mistakes he's made. That's the problem I have with a lot of Obama supporters since many get overly emotional and defensive with him and start throwing out different cards to discredit those criticizing him.

 

[SV Fan]

A very valid point. But my point is that if people are going to rank Bush as one of the worst ever in history for his bungling of the Iraq War, the same standard should be applied to LBJ and Vietnam. But oh wait, Democrats don't do that because he has a (D) attached to his name and was one of the most effective progressive Presidents we've ever had. It's hypocrisy.

Not really, if Vietnam was the only thing of any note that happened under LBJ's watch he would be Considered a terrible president, on the flip side if the only thing he was noted for was all his civil rights stuff I would consider him one of the greatest Presidents ever. Now it's a case you have to weight the good and bad against eachother and come to the conclusion where that fits him. Problem with Bush is he doesn't have much to his legacy other then Medicare Part D and Iraq and leaving office with the country going into a huge recession(hard to put any positive spin on that).

 

[Charlatan]

A very valid point. But my point is that if people are going to rank Bush as one of the worst ever in history for his bungling of the Iraq War, the same standard should be applied to LBJ and Vietnam. But oh wait, Democrats don't do that because he has a (D) attached to his name and was one of the most effective progressive Presidents we've ever had. It's hypocrisy.

While I am certainly not mitigating the criminally negligent of the Bush Administration's handling of the Iraq War, but then the same standard should then apply to the man who started a war that caused far more casualties, lasted much longer, was based upon proven lies, etc.

Oh I most certainly do blame LBJ for bungling Vietnam. But he had other things that he did do well on though. Huge leaps in civil rights and social programs under his administration. But yeah Vietnam was on him. Especially after the Gulf of Tonkin debacle.

 

[Charlatan]

I think Hippie Hunter made a good point the other day, one of the big things that got Obama elected was the promise of change and even I can admit that not all that much change was delivered. So both sides are really clamoring for something more than the same old stuff Washington has been giving us for our whole lives. Trump speaks his mind no matter how vile and stupid and sadly a lot of the GOP base likes what he's saying. Nobody can shut him up since he bankrolls himself therefore he's not scared to step wherever he wants. The same thing is happening on the opposite side of the spectrum with Sanders who speaks to what a lot of liberals like myself want to hear. He came into the race with the mentality that he was not going to win and push Hillary more to the left. Nobody scares him either. It seems both sides are really wanting the same thing in a candidate which is being true to themselves and not being scared.

well considering the total opposition he has had, and no don't try to push that "the dems had the majority and could do anything in the beginning of his 1st term" crap because they never had 60 votes in the senate. Franken was held up until Kennedy got so sick he had to step down. They were stuck at less than 60 and the GOP made them get 60 for everything.
That being said, he got the ACA passed. That was HUGE. That was probably the biggest thing since medicare in the 60's. And he fought tooth and nail and compromised a lot of it away to get a couple of GOP votes he needed. But he got it passed. He saved GM and a lot of jobs. He's instituted a lot of consumer protection stuff. He got bin Laden and a lot of other terrorist leaders. Open relations with Cuba. Negotiated a nuclear deal with Iran. Unemployment is down, stocks are up,deficit is lowered. A far cry from where we were in 2008.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Most definitely he got a lot of stuff done, I was just saying I thought it was going to be bit different than what we got. A lot of that blame goes to the GOP for fighting tooth and nail against everything

 

[Marvolo]

I saw a post on Facebook that said, "Obama trusts Iran with nukes, but not Marines with guns." Now, it's apparently Obama's fault that those 4 marines died.

Our muslim antichrist terrorist Kenyan president strikes again.

Obama's presidency has brought some real ****tards out of the woodwork that is for damn sure.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I saw a post on Facebook that said, "Obama trusts Iran with nukes, but not Marines with guns." Now, it's apparently Obama's fault that those 4 marines died.

Our muslim antichrist terrorist Kenyan president strikes again.

Obama's presidency has brought some real ****tards out of the woodwork that is for damn sure.

I'd say that Bush's presidency also brought out some real pieces of work. This happens every time one party is in control of the White House. Each side has their fair share of crazies.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I think the Republicans have a monopoly this election. Between Cruz, Carson and Trump.

 

[Schlosser85]

I saw a post on Facebook that said, "Obama trusts Iran with nukes, but not Marines with guns." Now, it's apparently Obama's fault that those 4 marines died.

Our muslim antichrist terrorist Kenyan president strikes again.

Obama's presidency has brought some real ****tards out of the woodwork that is for damn sure.

Sounds like some so-called patriots on my Facebook wall.

 

[Smashlilman]

Double Post

 

[Smashlilman]

Not really, if Vietnam was the only thing of any note that happened under LBJ's watch he would be Considered a terrible president, on the flip side if the only thing he was noted for was all his civil rights stuff I would consider him one of the greatest Presidents ever. Now it's a case you have to weight the good and bad against eachother and come to the conclusion where that fits him. Problem with Bush is he doesn't have much to his legacy other then Medicare Part D and Iraq and leaving office with the country going into a huge recession(hard to put any positive spin on that).

Don't forget the Federal Katrina response.

Some of your responses call into question whether you can look at Obama objectively and actually point out any mistakes he's made. That's the problem I have with a lot of Obama supporters since many get overly emotional and defensive with him and start throwing out different cards to discredit those criticizing him.

That's because most Republican critics aren't the most rational of critics.

A Third Of Louisiana Republicans Blame Obama For Hurricane Katrina Response Under Bush

A large number of Louisiana Republicans think President Barack Obama is to blame for the federal government's poor response to Hurricane Katrina, according to a new Public Policy Polling survey released Wednesday -- despite the fact that the storm occurred three years before he took office.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/21/obama-hurricane-katrina_n_3790612.html

 

[redfirebird2008]

A very valid point. But my point is that if people are going to rank Bush as one of the worst ever in history for his bungling of the Iraq War, the same standard should be applied to LBJ and Vietnam. But oh wait, Democrats don't do that because he has a (D) attached to his name and was one of the most effective progressive Presidents we've ever had. It's hypocrisy.

While I am certainly not mitigating the criminally negligent of the Bush Administration's handling of the Iraq War, but then the same standard should then apply to the man who started a war that caused far more casualties, lasted much longer, was based upon proven lies, etc.

I understand the hypocrisy you are trying to point out, but Bush doesn't have anything nearly as positive as the Civil Rights legislation to his name. His most positive moment was arguably his reaction to 9/11 when he went to Ground Zero and promised to do everything he could to seek justice for the victims.

Ultimately though, the Civil Rights thing had a more positive impact. All we got out of Bush's promise was a bunch of spying on Americans, the drone program, the strip-searches at the airport for completely harmless people, etc. Obama has only made those programs worse of course.

Are we safer now? I'm not sure. The government recently admitted that 95% of their test objects (guns, explosives, knives, the whole shebang) made it through airport security. Most of us who don't have any intention to harm anyone are the people who have to deal with the red tape of Homeland Security and yet it doesn't even seem we are that much safer.

 

[Matt]

Admit It: You People Want To See How Far This Goes. Don't You? ---- An Editorial By Donald Trump

My favorite part:

Spoiler

Just take a moment and imagine the primary debates: Jeb Bush; Chris Christie; me. Of course, they’ll put me in the middle because I’m ahead in the polls—far ahead at the moment. You already know how I answer even the most basic inquiries, so just picture me staring down the barrel of a question about foreign affairs or agriculture policy or something like that. You think you won’t sit there with bated breath while I try to tackle a question about using military force, or about food stamps, or about how my faith influences my decision-making? I guarantee you that my answers will be worth watching. And we both know you wouldn’t miss them for the world. It’d be the biggest, most-watched primary debate in history, courtesy of all of you.

And might I remind you that the longer this goes on, the closer I get to selecting a running mate. That realization kind of delighted you in a way, didn’t it? You absolutely want to know who I’d pick. A defeated GOP challenger who hates my guts? Another lunatic billionaire? Maybe my own son, Donald Trump Jr.? Whatever your wildest expectation is, I promise you I will surpass it. You’re not going to pass up an opportunity to see that, are you?

Also:

Who Said It: Donald Trump or Frank Reynolds?

 

[SV Fan]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...727b44-3315-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html

Got to love this Trump just telling the people like it is.....

Trump goes on the attack again, with Scott Walker as his latest target

“Finally, I can attack!” Trump said at a packed rally at Oskaloosa High School. “Wisconsin’s doing terribly. It’s in turmoil. The roads are a disaster because they don’t have any money to rebuild them. They’re borrowing money like crazy. They projected a $1 billion surplus, and it turns out to be a deficit of $2.2 billion. The schools are a disaster. The hospitals and education was a disaster. And he was totally in favor of Common Core!”

I really hope at the debates Trump goes all out attacking the short comings of all the candidates on stage.

 

[KevanG]

At least he knows people want to see where he goes with this.

 

[DeadPresident]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...727b44-3315-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html

Got to love this Trump just telling the people like it is.....



I really hope at the debates Trump goes all out attacking the short comings of all the candidates on stage.

You do understand the concept of rhetoric, right?

He's going to say all the right crap to get people, like you, cheering him on and God forbid he makes it anywhere in politics he'll just end up doing whatever he wants.

 

[SV Fan]

He's going to say all the right crap to get people, like you, cheering him on and God forbid he makes it anywhere in politics he'll just end up doing whatever he wants.

I wouldn't vote for him, I just want him to bring down all the candidates on stage with him. As for what he said about Walker, it's not rhetoric, it's the truth

 

[warhorse78]

With all of these candidates making these promises, I just want to know how they think they can go about these promises?

 

[KevanG]

They'll keep what suits them or what can be done if they want it to/if their backers want them to, just like the rest of them.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Trump is gold I tells ya, GOLD! Haha I swear to God if he runs he has my vote. This is just the thing that will bring the GOP to it's knees and I for one welcome it with open arms. I think our country could endure 4 years of his idiocy and bring rise to another more viable party than the GOP

 

[Shan45]

Trump is gold I tells ya, GOLD! Haha I swear to God if he runs he has my vote. This is just the thing that will bring the GOP to it's knees and I for one welcome it with open arms. I think our country could endure 4 years of his idiocy and bring rise to another more viable party than the GOP

I agree with this sentiment. We need a new third party. I am sick of republicans and democrats. It's time for new blood.

 

[Leafar the Lost]

Even after his recent attack on John McCain, and all POW's, Trump is in the lead of the GOP polls. This shows you where the current Republican Party is now. Its just another indication of why the GOP will lose the Presidency for the third time in a row.

 

[herakles]

Some of your responses call into question whether you can look at Obama objectively and actually point out any mistakes he's made. That's the problem I have with a lot of Obama supporters since many get overly emotional and defensive with him and start throwing out different cards to discredit those criticizing him.

Thank you!

 

[herakles]

Ultimately though, the Civil Rights thing had a more positive impact. All we got out of Bush's promise was a bunch of spying on Americans, the drone program, the strip-searches at the airport for completely harmless people, etc. Obama has only made those programs worse of course.

Are we safer now? I'm not sure. The government recently admitted that 95% of their test objects (guns, explosives, knives, the whole shebang) made it through airport security. Most of us who don't have any intention to harm anyone are the people who have to deal with the red tape of Homeland Security and yet it doesn't even seem we are that much safer.

Did the current President expand these programs!?!?

The problem that I have with the Left is that they love to blame President Bush Jr but turn a blind eye to the fact that the current Administration has kept all of the Surveillance programs while expanding on them IRS for example.

I for one was a big critic of Bush's Jr policies on Iraq and HomeLand Security. IF President Obama was so great as the Left says why not remove some of these policies?

 

[Leafar the Lost]

Did the current President expand these programs!?!?

The problem that I have with the Left is that they love to blame President Bush Jr but turn a blind eye to the fact that the current Administration has kept all of the Surveillance programs while expanding on them IRS for example.

I for one was a big critic of Bush's Jr policies on Iraq and HomeLand Security. IF President Obama was so great as the Left says why not remove some of these policies?

I'm a Democrat, I voted for Obama twice, and I have no problem with the NSA Surveillance programs. In fact, I hope they do more of them.