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Well its largely pointless. Most latino illegal immigrants are people who flew into the country and simply didnt leave when their visa expired. So unless Trump is planning to build a wall that is over 45,000' feet tall its not going to do much good.

And coyotes have beend smuggling people in for so long that it wouldnt take them long to find a way to circumvent Trump's wall.

Trump's wall would be about as effective as a paper dam, and frankly I dont want my tax dollars going to another pointless thing. If its between some of my tax dollars going into peoples pockets and putring food on theie table or building Trump's stupid wall I prefer the former.

I don't know if that's true about visas running out. I think that's nice to think but not sure if it's reality. People do come across the border. And it's the easiest way to get into this country. You can't expect to continue being Camelot while letting the world come enjoy your paradise. That paradise won't sustain. Something needs to be done about the population issues and the wall is one solution in what I'd hope is a comprehensive plan to get this epidemic under control.
 
I like your logic. I'm going to go home and tell my neighbors that they need to build fences along our borders to keep their animals out of my front yard. I think some of the poop might be a result of their dogs. I'll spring for the front part of the fence or have the city build it for free.

As far as NAFTA goes, that's a threat that won't fly because the people who are really making the money off it are the ones who have the political clout. If you don't think American business has their hands in those pockets, think again. It didn't get passed because it was good for Mexican or American workers.

I know it'll take some imagination, but can anyone out there think of a a slightly better solution to this problem than telling your neighbors to foot the bill for a wall that won't work? C'mon now, try REAL hard and I'll bet you can come up with something.:whatever:

Why won't it work? Are you saying that a wall won't keep some people out? That's ridiculous.

Mexico is getting all of these manufacturing deals because they have free trade with the shortest route to USA. The fear of losing that should be more than enough to convince Mexico to fix their border.

And why should we tell another country to build a fence? Because their border is the problem. And it's become our problem.
 
NAFTA is the reason we have such a huge illegal immigration problem in the first place. NAFTA was horrible for every day Mexicans. It forced the price of corn so low that every day farmers couldn't make a decent living in Mexico so they had to come North just to make a living.

Mexicans aren't the vast majority of illegals coming over.
 
Mexicans aren't the vast majority of illegals coming over.

Your ignorance is showing. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in the US are of Mexican origin, and though that number has been declining it's still Trumps go to sound bite to blame all illegal immigration on Mexico and Mexicans. From what I've read of your posts you have absolutely ZERO understanding of NAFTA or any of the economic realities facing Mexico and illegal immigrants in the US. Besides, in the last year or so we've seen a decrees in the number of illegal immigrants entering the US so Trump's Mexican boogeyman hunt is nothing more than to stir the pot in order to whip up support from terrified white people.
 
As is the evangelical movement which was a huge anti-Obama "cult" (if you will).

One thing I've found interesting over the last several years...."Conservative" seems to have been hijacked by the evangelical wing of the republican party. Conservative now seems to mean something along the lines of following biblical scripture rather than the Barry Goldwater stance (waaaaaaayyyyy back when) on gays in the military; which was "Someone else's personal life is neither my nor your business".

Wonder how that happened and I really do wonder where Mr. Trump stands on the issues raised by the "religious" conservatives and civil liberties. Placating the fundamentalist wing is key to getting the republican nomination and doing that makes it very difficult to win a national election. Polls as of now mean next to nothing.


The birthers have to be the most cult like thing around Obama and they are anti not pro. Though the people who sabotaged the last ditch attempt to score an Olympics in the US just to make him look bad took jobs from American workers at a time of the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression showed a definite lack o patriotism and just how much of this is pure hatred for the first African American President.
 
I don't know if that's true about visas running out. I think that's nice to think but not sure if it's reality. People do come across the border. And it's the easiest way to get into this country. You can't expect to continue being Camelot while letting the world come enjoy your paradise. That paradise won't sustain. Something needs to be done about the population issues and the wall is one solution in what I'd hope is a comprehensive plan to get this epidemic under control.

Illegal immigration is a serious issue, but I've seen some of the work done by immigrants (legal and otherwise) and my opinion is that I'll skip on that particular piece of paradise and stick to my day job. I'm not an immigration expert, but I find it hard to believe that building a wall (or having someone else build a wall) is the best we can come up with.
 
Your ignorance is showing. The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants in the US are of Mexican origin, and though that number has been declining it's still Trumps go to sound bite to blame all illegal immigration on Mexico and Mexicans. From what I've read of your posts you have absolutely ZERO understanding of NAFTA or any of the economic realities facing Mexico and illegal immigrants in the US. Besides, in the last year or so we've seen a decrees in the number of illegal immigrants entering the US so Trump's Mexican boogeyman hunt is nothing more than to stir the pot in order to whip up support from terrified white people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/12/29/nafta-mexico_n_4515862.html
 
Why won't it work? Are you saying that a wall won't keep some people out? That's ridiculous.

Mexico is getting all of these manufacturing deals because they have free trade with the shortest route to USA. The fear of losing that should be more than enough to convince Mexico to fix their border.

And why should we tell another country to build a fence? Because their border is the problem. And it's become our problem.

NAFTA isn't going away without some other deal to replace it because it benefits some very well off people. It's like saying "OK Mexico, you either build a fence or it's going to hit a lot of both our country's very wealthy right in the wallet." Ain't gonna happen.

I never said a wall wouldn't keep some people out. What I'm saying is that there's better ways to deal with people than building a wall. Mexico ain't gonna build it and Mr. Trump's colleagues are also the ones that stand to lose money if trade agreements go south. Do you really think NAFTA was passed to benefit workers???
 
Illegal immigration is a serious issue, but I've seen some of the work done by immigrants (legal and otherwise) and my opinion is that I'll skip on that particular piece of paradise and stick to my day job. I'm not an immigration expert, but I find it hard to believe that building a wall (or having someone else build a wall) is the best we can come up with.

The ultimate solution is to fix the countries that are bleeding these immigrants. There's a reason they are leaving. It's not just because America is "awesome". It's because their country is a complete hell hole. Just look at the migration issues across the pond. Do you think those Syrians want to be walking across Europe right now?

But fixing those countries is unrealistic. To say a fence won't do any good is crazy talk. Of course it will. You can concentrate on tunnels, the cartels, boats, air... you wouldn't need to worry about miles and miles and miles of wide open land that someone can stroll right on through. It's something. We need anything.
 

NAFTA is great for those Mexican companies and corporations, but I don't think you really read that article, nor have you actually looked into what NAFTA actually means for the on the street Mexican people. Labor is cheap, and it's kept cheap in Mexico by NAFTA, so people illegally immigrate to America in order to make a living wage. NAFTA is 100% for companies and corporations and not for the people of Mexico.
 
NAFTA isn't going away without some other deal to replace it because it benefits some very well off people. It's like saying "OK Mexico, you either build a fence or it's going to hit a lot of both our country's very wealthy right in the wallet." Ain't gonna happen.

I never said a wall wouldn't keep some people out. What I'm saying is that there's better ways to deal with people than building a wall. Mexico ain't gonna build it and Mr. Trump's colleagues are also the ones that stand to lose money if trade agreements go south. Do you really think NAFTA was passed to benefit workers???

Do you think anything was passed to benefit anyone that's not an employee of a lobbyist? Chevron writes our Energy laws. MS-13 writes our immigration laws.

Here we are with an outsider threatening to turn the apple cart over, the same apple cart 89% of Americans say they want turned over, and yet here we are saying Trump will succumb to his wealthy friends more easily than a Jeb or Hillary would. It's insane.
 
NAFTA is great for those Mexican companies and corporations, but I don't think you really read that article, nor have you actually looked into what NAFTA actually means for the on the street Mexican people. Labor is cheap, and it's kept cheap in Mexico by NAFTA, so people illegally immigrate to America in order to make a living wage. NAFTA is 100% for companies and corporations and not for the people of Mexico.

I'm not talking about the Mexican people. I'm talking about the Mexican Government. You know, the ones that benefit from this. I'm not in the business of appeasing the Mexican people. Who's going to get the wall built that I'm talking about? The people that benefit from NAFTA or those that hate it? This isn't a discussion on rather or not NAFTA is good for North America, it's a discussion on how to use American influence to get some other country to get off their hands and do what we ask.
 
Can you not debate what he is saying? I think Lex has some points.

Hurling sophomoric insults isn't proving or disproving anything.

I could go on for days as to why he is categorically wrong on just about everything that he post but I'm at work at my fortune 1,0000 company and they don't pay me to debate people on the Hype
 
If Trump was a member, I wonder what he would say to reply to posts here.
I could go on for days as to why he is categorically wrong on just about everything that he post but I'm at work at my fortune 1,0000 company and they don't pay me to debate people on the Hype
Why is the comma placed before the wrong zero?
Logo designers mistake? Taarna's mistake?
 
I could go on for days as to why he is categorically wrong on just about everything that he post but I'm at work at my fortune 1,0000 company and they don't pay me to debate people on the Hype

Nah they pay you that 6 figure cheese to turn them into a Fortune 500,0 company.
 
If Trump was a member, I wonder what he would say to reply to posts here.

Why is the comma placed before the wrong zero?
Logo designers mistake? Taarna's mistake?

Much like Taarna who is a 40 year old adult that works at a fortune 1,0000 company, I just wanted to make sure that he knows I too work at a fortune 1,0000 company so that he is aware that this particular homeless alcoholic does more than just spends his time debating people on the Hype all day
 
If Trump was a member, I wonder what he would say to reply to posts here.

Why is the comma placed before the wrong zero?
Logo designers mistake? Taarna's mistake?

He was quoting Taarna.....maybe he should have added (sic).

Funny one DJ.
 
If Trump was a member, I wonder what he would say to reply to posts here.

Why is the comma placed before the wrong zero?
Logo designers mistake? Taarna's mistake?

Because the other day Taarna bragged that he worked for a Fortune 1,0000 company and makes 6 figures a year and is over 40. See:

You sir are some kid who has had issues. I am a 40 year old adult with a 4 year college degree employed by a with a fortune 1,0000 company making over six figures a year.

I'm not here to brag, rather I'm posting this to draw a quick contrasts between you and I.
 
Because the other day Taarna bragged that he worked for a Fortune 1,0000 company and makes 6 figures a year and is over 40. See:

I'm a busy person who happens to multi task a lot. I think we all know where I meant to type in the comma.

Meanwhile there is a report on illegals in the Washington Examiner.

87% of illegals are on welfare. Only 31% of people who immigrated here legally are on welfare. The Nation has enough problems of its own. Why should our tax dollars go to people who are not citizens here?

Trump is right.
 
I'm a busy person who happens to multi task a lot. I think we all know where I meant to type in the comma.

Meanwhile there is a report on illegals in the Washington Examiner.

87% of illegals are on welfare. Only 31% of people who immigrated here legally are on welfare. The Nation has enough problems of its own. Why should our tax dollars go to people who are not citizens here?

Trump is right.
Illegals actually get almost nothing on the welfare system. There's this magical thing called citizenship that is required in order to get basic government programs. If anything, illegals contribute far more to the system than they receive.
 
I'm a busy person who happens to multi task a lot. I think we all know where I meant to type in the comma.

Meanwhile there is a report on illegals in the Washington Examiner.

87% of illegals are on welfare. Only 31% of people who immigrated here legally are on welfare. The Nation has enough problems of its own. Why should our tax dollars go to people who are not citizens here?

Trump is right.

Riddle me this Taarna, how exactly, does an "illegal" get on welfare? A program which requires a social security number (and don't worry, we aren't asking for yours) and various other things to prove one is a citizen. Also welfare is not just free money they had out to anyone, it's a very strict program with many hoops to jump through
 
Riddle me this Taarna, how exactly, does an "illegal" get on welfare? A program which requires a social security number (and don't worry, we aren't asking for yours) and various other things to prove one is a citizen. Also welfare is not just free money they had out to anyone, it's a very strict program with many hoops to jump through

Just have a anchor baby. Don't you now agree?

In 2009 (based on data collected in 2010), 57 percent of households headed by an immigrant (legal and illegal) with children (under 18) used at least one welfare program, compared to 39 percent for native households with children.

Immigrant households’ use of welfare tends to be much higher than natives for food assistance programs and Medicaid. Their use of cash and housing programs tends to be similar to native households.

A large share of the welfare used by immigrant households with children is received on behalf of their U.S.-born children, who are American citizens. But even households with children comprised entirely of immigrants (no U.S.-born children) still had a welfare use rate of 56 percent in 2009.

Immigrant households with children used welfare programs at consistently higher rates than natives, even before the current recession. In 2001, 50 percent of all immigrant households with children used at least one welfare program, compared to 32 percent for natives.

Households with children with the highest welfare use rates are those headed by immigrants from the Dominican Republic (82 percent), Mexico and Guatemala (75 percent), and Ecuador (70 percent). Those with the lowest use rates are from the United Kingdom (7 percent), India (19 percent), Canada (23 percent), and Korea (25 percent).

The states where immigrant households with children have the highest welfare use rates are Arizona (62 percent); Texas, California, and New York (61 percent); Pennsylvania (59 percent); Minnesota and Oregon (56 percent); and Colorado (55 percent).

We estimate that 52 percent of households with children headed by legal immigrants used at least one welfare program in 2009, compared to 71 percent for illegal immigrant households with children. Illegal immigrants generally receive benefits on behalf of their U.S.-born children.

Illegal immigrant households with children primarily use food assistance and Medicaid, making almost no use of cash or housing assistance. In contrast, legal immigrant households tend to have relatively high use rates for every type of program.

High welfare use by immigrant-headed households with children is partly explained by the low education level of many immigrants. Of households headed by an immigrant who has not graduated high school, 80 percent access the welfare system, compared to 25 percent for those headed by an immigrant who has at least a bachelor’s degree.

An unwillingness to work is not the reason immigrant welfare use is high. The vast majority (95 percent) of immigrant households with children had at least one worker in 2009. But their low education levels mean that more than half of these working immigrant households with children still accessed the welfare system during 2009.

If we exclude the primary refugee-sending countries, the share of immigrant households with children using at least one welfare program is still 57 percent.

Welfare use tends to be high for both new arrivals and established residents. In 2009, 60 percent of households with children headed by an immigrant who arrived in 2000 or later used at least one welfare program; for households headed by immigrants who arrived before 2000 it was 55 percent.

For all households (those with and without children), the use rates were 37 percent for households headed by immigrants and 22 percent for those headed by natives.

Although most new legal immigrants are barred from using some welfare for the first five years, this provision has only a modest impact on household use rates because most immigrants have been in the United States for longer than five years; the ban only applies to some programs; some states provide welfare to new immigrants with their own money; by becoming citizens immigrants become eligible for all welfare programs; and perhaps most importantly, the U.S.-born children of immigrants (including those born to illegal immigrants) are automatically awarded American citizenship and are therefore eligible for all welfare programs at birth.

The eight major welfare programs examined in this report are SSI (Supplemental Security Income for low income elderly and disabled), TANF (Temporary Assistance to Needy Families), WIC (Women, Infants, and Children food program), free/reduced school lunch, food stamps (Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program), Medicaid (health insurance for those with low incomes), public housing, and rent subsidies.


More:

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/04/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare/
 
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