The Trump Thread!!!

[Taarna]

In addition illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies. Who pays for that? Legal Citizens. You and me.

Another way they can get welfare? Forged documents!

 

[Marvolo]

Riddle me this Taarna, how exactly, does an "illegal" get on welfare? A program which requires a social security number (and don't worry, we aren't asking for yours) and various other things to prove one is a citizen. Also welfare is not just free money they had out to anyone, it's a very strict program with many hoops to jump through

Ive actually tried to get on temporary government assistance (probably not the only one here who has needed it) when I was out of work with an injury and I was denied. And Im an american citizen from birth. Their reason for denying me...I was single and had no kids and wasnt in college. They didnt think I was in a desperate enough situation.

There are all kinds of hoops to jump through and bureaucratic BS that stands in the way of getting government assistance. While its not hard to get a SSN and driver's license that does not mean its easy to go into a government office and walk out with your pockets loaded with food stamps and a bunch of free gifts. Most latinos with expired visas and illegals in general avoid government offices for common sense reasons. They dont want to be deported so they dont want to go into a government office flashing license and SSN's they aquired illegally. The latinos on food stamps and government assistance in my experience are american citizens who are here legally and not illegals. Or they are illegals who bought the food stamps off of Americans who get them legally.

 

[DeadPresident]

Irrelevant stats are irrelevant. Of course immigrants will require more state aid, by virtue of where they come from they're in a lower income bracket than middle and lower-middle class Americans.

It's a better idea to spend money on educating immigrants so they can become a more skilled segment of the work force than anything else. And those top 8 welfare programs are pretty much irrelevant in terms of tax expenditure. Immigrants are just a new red herring. If you want to spend your time doing anything, rather investigate how banking and corporate sponsored politicians hold your country back instead of well-meaning individuals who just want to live above the bread line. The banks and politicians are costing America trillions of dollars, you're over here haggling about a few hundred million going to provide somebody a house and some food. You're about as indoctrinated as it gets.

 

[batdude]

Believe me, Taarna. I am waiting for Trump to take some kind of position on the disabled. We don't get the attention that other minorities do, but if he starts talking about SSI like you think, things could get interesting.

 

[Marvolo]

Irrelevant stats are irrelevant. Of course immigrants will require more state aid, by virtue of where they come from they're in a lower income bracket than middle and lower-middle class Americans.

It's a better idea to spend money on educating immigrants so they can become a more skilled segment of the work force than anything else. And those top 8 welfare programs are pretty much irrelevant in terms of tax expenditure. Immigrants are just a new red herring. If you want to spend your time doing anything, rather investigate how banking and corporate sponsored politicians hold your country back instead of well-meaning individuals who just want to live above the bread line. The banks and politicians are costing America trillions of dollars, you're over here haggling about a few hundred million going to provide somebody a house and some food. You're about as indoctrinated as it gets.

 

[Matt Mortem]

Irrelevant stats are irrelevant. Of course immigrants will require more state aid, by virtue of where they come from they're in a lower income bracket than middle and lower-middle class Americans.

It's a better idea to spend money on educating immigrants so they can become a more skilled segment of the work force than anything else. And those top 8 welfare programs are pretty much irrelevant in terms of tax expenditure. Immigrants are just a new red herring. If you want to spend your time doing anything, rather investigate how banking and corporate sponsored politicians hold your country back instead of well-meaning individuals who just want to live above the bread line. The banks and politicians are costing America trillions of dollars, you're over here haggling about a few hundred million going to provide somebody a house and some food. You're about as indoctrinated as it gets.

Spot on. We're not being bled dry in the budget because of social safety nets and welfare programs. It's corporate and banks bailouts and military expenditures that have gotten the deficit where it is today.

 

[Marvolo]

Banks and people like Trump know illegal immigrants arent the problem. But illegals are a good scapegoat that draws attention away from the actual robbers which are the banks and corporations. Gotta hand it to them. Theyve done a pretty good job of convincing americans that illegals are the reason for all their problems.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Because the other day Taarna bragged that he worked for a Fortune 1,0000 company and makes 6 figures a year and is over 40. See:

I saw the post, and it made me wonder.

I'm a busy person who happens to multi task a lot. I think we all know where I meant to type in the comma.

Meanwhile there is a report on illegals in the Washington Examiner.

87% of illegals are on welfare. Only 31% of people who immigrated here legally are on welfare. The Nation has enough problems of its own. Why should our tax dollars go to people who are not citizens here?

Trump is right.

So the states know illegal immigrants are illegal, and they give them some nice things and keep them in?
How do you prove that to someone not living in USA?
I hope you provide a more recent source to back you up, more recent than a 4 years old blog entry.

And someone as busy and multi tasking as you are will probably have trouble juggling between caring of personal business and investments, and looking after citizens on a wider spectrum. Donald will be very busy, will fall under lots of pressure, and might lead to another recession.

 

[DeGenerate10]

This might just be my favorite thread on the type. I've looked through 1,0000 threads and this one is the best.

 

[DeadPresident]

At the risk of beating a horse so dead only its ghost remains:

Is it expedient to regulate the number of immigrants entering the USA? Sure, one doesn't want carte blanche on who enters. Is it one of the top 10 issues to be concerned about in terms of where tax dollars are going? **** no.

Where I stay banks pay 6% tax on aggregate, while tax paying citizens pay upwards of 40% depending on income bracket, not to mention VAT, sin tax, capital gains tax, fuel levies and any other number of silly add-on taxations that don't get spent on public infrastructure anyways. The trend is for banks to accrue insane amounts of money (over here, the equivalent of $700,000,000,000) on their collective balance sheets through pension fund investment. If that's how it looks in some ****ty African country, it probably looks a whole lot worse in an economy as scaled and sophisticated as the USA's.

Who the **** in their right mind complains about something like $500,000,000 going to housing or medical care for immigrants when you're being shafted out of, in all seriousness, trillions of dollars in pension funds whose interest goes to a group of like 5,000 directors and board members nationwide?

The global economy doesn't suffer from an immigrant problem, an unemployment problem, or a job unavailability problem; it suffers from a predatory capitalism problem. Taarna, I don't know if you're a fanatic or just plain ****ing off your rocker, but even if Trump manages to evict each and every immigrant, alien or visiting employee in the States the awkward truth is the following: Economically, socially, and politically, America will still be in the ****ing toilet.

 

[Matt Mortem]

At the risk of beating a horse so dead only its ghost remains:

Is it expedient to regulate the number of immigrants entering the USA? Sure, one doesn't want carte blanche on who enters. Is it one of the top 10 issues to be concerned about in terms of where tax dollars are going? **** no.

Where I stay banks pay 6% tax on aggregate, while tax paying citizens pay upwards of 40% depending on income bracket, not to mention VAT, sin tax, capital gains tax, fuel levies and any other number of silly add-on taxations that don't get spent on public infrastructure anyways. The trend is for banks to accrue insane amounts of money (over here, the equivalent of $700,000,000,000) on their collective balance sheets through pension fund investment. If that's how it looks in some ****ty African country, it probably looks a whole lot worse in an economy as scaled and sophisticated as the USA's.

Who the **** in their right mind complains about something like $500,000,000 going to housing or medical care for immigrants when you're being shafted out of, in all seriousness, trillions of dollars in pension funds whose interest goes to a group of like 5,000 directors and board members nationwide?

The global economy doesn't suffer from an immigrant problem, an unemployment problem, or a job unavailability problem; it suffers from a predatory capitalism problem. Taarna, I don't know if you're a fanatic or just plain ****ing off your rocker, but even if Trump manages to evict each and every immigrant, alien or visiting employee in the States the awkward truth is the following: Economically, socially, and politically, America will still be in the ****ing toilet.

You're on a roll man.

 

[DeadPresident]

Spot on. We're not being bled dry in the budget because of social safety nets and welfare programs. It's corporate and banks bailouts and military expenditures that have gotten the deficit where it is today.

I'm pretty sure even if 50% of the American population went onto 5 different national subsidy and aid programs it wouldn't amount to the annual take that banks remove from the general economy and fill their coffers up with.

There is no problem bigger than the bastardized form of capitalism rife in the USA, most of Europe and Russia right now.

 

[Matt Mortem]

I'm pretty sure even if 50% of the American population went onto 5 different national subsidy and aid programs it wouldn't amount to the annual take that banks remove from the general economy and fill their coffers up with.

There is no problem bigger than the bastardized form of capitalism rife in the USA, most of Europe and Russia right now.

Exactly right. Banks and military spending are the absolute biggest problem.

 

[DeadPresident]

You're on a roll man.

I just read a bit here and there about socioeconomic trends. As insulting as it may sound, the "average laymen" doesn't know where the **** his tax budget goes, and most people blame completely the wrong thing for the economic, social and political ills in their countries.

Honest to God, all bull**** and Taarna-baiting aside, the world is in need of an economic overhaul. Capitalism is a nice theory, just like Communism was - but unchecked it'll have the exact same endgame: 2-5% are unfathomably rich, 95%-98% are on the backslide. Everything else is inconsequential.

Exactly right. Banks and military spending are the absolute biggest problem.

Fortunately military spending here is a non-entity, mostly. But, yeah, stateside it's a bottomless pit. And that's an expense, not an investment. That money could go to improving secondary and tertiary education, starting small/medium businesses, developing skills, public medical care or any number of other things that generate a public benefit - but instead it goes to accruing ridiculous amounts of ordinance and hardware that's used as a deterrent or to military initiatives/engagements that smarter politicians would be able to avoid entirely.

 

[Legendver2]

At the risk of beating a horse so dead only its ghost remains:

Is it expedient to regulate the number of immigrants entering the USA? Sure, one doesn't want carte blanche on who enters. Is it one of the top 10 issues to be concerned about in terms of where tax dollars are going? **** no.

Where I stay banks pay 6% tax on aggregate, while tax paying citizens pay upwards of 40% depending on income bracket, not to mention VAT, sin tax, capital gains tax, fuel levies and any other number of silly add-on taxations that don't get spent on public infrastructure anyways. The trend is for banks to accrue insane amounts of money (over here, the equivalent of $700,000,000,000) on their collective balance sheets through pension fund investment. If that's how it looks in some ****ty African country, it probably looks a whole lot worse in an economy as scaled and sophisticated as the USA's.

Who the **** in their right mind complains about something like $500,000,000 going to housing or medical care for immigrants when you're being shafted out of, in all seriousness, trillions of dollars in pension funds whose interest goes to a group of like 5,000 directors and board members nationwide?

The global economy doesn't suffer from an immigrant problem, an unemployment problem, or a job unavailability problem; it suffers from a predatory capitalism problem. Taarna, I don't know if you're a fanatic or just plain ****ing off your rocker, but even if Trump manages to evict each and every immigrant, alien or visiting employee in the States the awkward truth is the following: Economically, socially, and politically, America will still be in the ****ing toilet.

DeadPresident for President!

 

[DeadPresident]

DeadPresident for President!

Sounds like a sweet deal, but American presidents have been assassinated for less than trying to break the corporate and banking oligopoly controlling the economy. I'd get my ass shot before they could even inaugurate me

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

See Taarna, I don't have to bother debating people at work when we have folks like DeadPrez to school you. This old homeless alcoholic just keeps working for his paycheck and laughs as your arguments get torn to shreds before I have ample time when I'm off work from my fortune 1,0000 company to bother with them

 

[Kelly]

I would just like point out that this is a "Political Forum"....one of the hottest debate topics on the planet.

If you can't stand the heat, get out of the fire.....

That is all.

 

[Evelisse]

At the risk of beating a horse so dead only its ghost remains:

Is it expedient to regulate the number of immigrants entering the USA? Sure, one doesn't want carte blanche on who enters. Is it one of the top 10 issues to be concerned about in terms of where tax dollars are going? **** no.

Where I stay banks pay 6% tax on aggregate, while tax paying citizens pay upwards of 40% depending on income bracket, not to mention VAT, sin tax, capital gains tax, fuel levies and any other number of silly add-on taxations that don't get spent on public infrastructure anyways. The trend is for banks to accrue insane amounts of money (over here, the equivalent of $700,000,000,000) on their collective balance sheets through pension fund investment. If that's how it looks in some ****ty African country, it probably looks a whole lot worse in an economy as scaled and sophisticated as the USA's.

Who the **** in their right mind complains about something like $500,000,000 going to housing or medical care for immigrants when you're being shafted out of, in all seriousness, trillions of dollars in pension funds whose interest goes to a group of like 5,000 directors and board members nationwide?

The global economy doesn't suffer from an immigrant problem, an unemployment problem, or a job unavailability problem; it suffers from a predatory capitalism problem. Taarna, I don't know if you're a fanatic or just plain ****ing off your rocker, but even if Trump manages to evict each and every immigrant, alien or visiting employee in the States the awkward truth is the following: Economically, socially, and politically, America will still be in the ****ing toilet.

 

[Kelly]

No need for personal jabs people, that is not what makes good debate. You don't have to agree with an opinion, state yours, back it, don't make it personal.

 

[Thundercrack85]

The term "illegals" sounds rather Hitlerian.

 

[KevanG]

Somehow that newspaper comic from the 80's about Trump got put in the stickied thread.

 

[Kelly]

We try and keep all the comic, satire type of posts in that thread...

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

In addition illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies. Who pays for that? Legal Citizens. You and me.

Another way they can get welfare? Forged documents!

Illegal Immigrants do not come here to suck on the govt. teat. They come here to find jobs. They come here to work. And you know why that happens? American businesses HIRE THEM. You want to put a big dent in the problem of Illegal Immigration? GO AFTER THE BUSINESSES THAT HIRE THEM KNOWINGLY.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Ive actually tried to get on temporary government assistance (probably not the only one here who has needed it) when I was out of work with an injury and I was denied. And Im an american citizen from birth. Their reason for denying me...I was single and had no kids and wasnt in college. They didnt think I was in a desperate enough situation.

There are all kinds of hoops to jump through and bureaucratic BS that stands in the way of getting government assistance. While its not hard to get a SSN and driver's license that does not mean its easy to go into a government office and walk out with your pockets loaded with food stamps and a bunch of free gifts. Most latinos with expired visas and illegals in general avoid government offices for common sense reasons. They dont want to be deported so they dont want to go into a government office flashing license and SSN's they aquired illegally. The latinos on food stamps and government assistance in my experience are american citizens who are here legally and not illegals. Or they are illegals who bought the food stamps off of Americans who get them legally.

No no dude, you got it totally wrong. Obviously, people can just walk right into a government office, and the government just gives them free money with no hoops and then all these lazy moochers don't have to work anymore because they have it so easy! I mean seriously, why should people like you and I work when poor people got it made.

And proof? You don't need proof to show that you're actually the person you claim to be with you're illegally obtained SSN!