The Trump Thread!!!

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I'm not really defending anything.

But please, post your epic meme. I can't wait to see it.

Don't worry, Kev got me. I feel I have everything I need to pass judgement on you from your previous statement. Carry on

 

[Soapy]

"pass judgement" lol

 

[Black Narcissus]

I do, I just haven't been following Trump as I have no intention of voting for him. However, border security is a divisive issue for some reason, and being a Republican I assumed Trump was in favor of it. I wasn't aware of any specific comments he made.



Sure. "When Mexico sends its people" to me sounds like he's referring to legal immigrants, in which case his comments are way out of line. However, if he's referring to illegal immigrants, his comments may be crass, but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch about it. I'm sure some illegals are good folks. However I also feel like it's smart to be at least suspicious of people who think the law of the country they want to immigrate to doesn't apply to them and sneak into it instead of immigrating legally like everyone else.

Yikes.

 

[Thundercrack85]

I do, I just haven't been following Trump as I have no intention of voting for him. However, border security is a divisive issue for some reason, and being a Republican I assumed Trump was in favor of it. I wasn't aware of any specific comments he made.



Sure. "When Mexico sends its people" to me sounds like he's referring to legal immigrants, in which case his comments are way out of line. However, if he's referring to illegal immigrants, his comments may be crass, but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch about it. I'm sure some illegals are good folks. However I also feel like it's smart to be at least suspicious of people who think the law of the country they want to immigrate to doesn't apply to them and sneak into it instead of immigrating legally like everyone else.

Out of 7 million, you think there are some good folks? That's generous.

Honestly, I think it's best for Americans to take a somewhat lax attitude towards illegal immigration, given that the country is founded on ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. Not to mention exploitation of immigrants. Hell, these Mexicans pick the produce you eat.

 

[KevanG]

Out of 7 million, you think there are some good folks? That's generous.

Honestly, I think it's best for Americans to take a somewhat lax attitude towards illegal immigration, given that the country is founded on ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. Not to mention exploitation of immigrants. Hell, these Mexicans pick the produce you eat.

It's just like in imported fruits like Bananas, there's only going to be some murderous insane spiders.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Out of 7 million, you think there are some good folks? That's generous.

Honestly, I think it's best for Americans to take a somewhat lax attitude towards illegal immigration, given that the country is founded on ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. Not to mention exploitation of immigrants. Hell, these Mexicans pick the produce you eat.

I see them every day here. Also, I think Trump was referencing all the central americans as well, but placed them with the mexicans as a whole. Lawd.

 

[SV Fan]

On Saturday Trump was at a form for "value voters" i Iowa. He basically told them he doesn't really ask God for forgiveness. I have to say that quote won me over. lol

Beynd that he refered to communion as wine and crackers. lol

 

[Soapy]

Out of 7 million, you think there are some good folks? That's generous.

When I say "some", that could very easily number in the millions as well. I didn't literally mean 1 in a million or whatever you thought. "Some" is just a stand-in for "some percentage". Just like I'm sure some percentage of the illegal immigrants are criminals. I mean, technically, they're all criminals since they're coming in illegally, but whatever, I can ignore that.

Honestly, I think it's best for Americans to take a somewhat lax attitude towards illegal immigration, given that the country is founded on ethnic cleansing and land grabbing.

First off, I doubt there's a single country on Earth that wasn't host to ethnic cleansing or land-grabbing at some point in its history. I mean, ****, there's even evidence that there was an older people inhabiting the Americas before what we now call Native Americans came to this land and apparently engaged in some ethnic cleansing and land-grabbing themselves. And you know what? Those "original" people probably did the same thing at some point. So and so forth all the way through history.

Second, I fail to see the correlation between the actions of European colonists hundreds of years ago and totally opening our borders today to any rabble that wants in.

Not to mention exploitation of immigrants. Hell, these Mexicans pick the produce you eat.

You seem to implying that all illegal immigrants are Mexican. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I don't think you meant anything by that. I'm just sayin'.

Anyway, if these "Mexicans" as we're calling them want to come to America to pick fruit or whatever, I see no reason whatsoever why they can't do it legally. If you're not a criminal, why sneak in? Why break the law? Why take such a risk? It seems like you're just making things so much harder on yourself than need be. That's really the main thing I take issue with; The flagrant disregard for the laws of the land they apparently want to live in so badly. I have no problem with the people, just their actions. If people want to immigrate legally, then fine! Welcome! Have a nice life! I have no problem at all with that. But you're never going to get me to "okay" people sneaking in illegally. There's simply no justifiable reason for it.

Maybe we could change our immigration process so it's easier. Is it super ****ing hard or something? I honestly don't know. I mean, I'm somewhat familiar with the process, but is it way tougher than in other countries or something? I have no idea how other countries handle it.

Also, my neighbors and I grow (and pick!) our own produce.

 

[Black Narcissus]

When I say "some", that could very easily number in the millions as well. I didn't literally mean 1 in a million or whatever you thought. "Some" is just a stand-in for "some percentage". Just like I'm sure some percentage of the illegal immigrants are criminals. I mean, technically, they're all criminals since they're coming in illegally, but whatever, I can ignore that.

First off, I doubt there's a single country on Earth that wasn't host to ethnic cleansing or land-grabbing at some point in its history. I mean, ****, there's even evidence that there was an older people inhabiting the Americas before what we now call Native Americans came to this land and apparently engaged in some ethnic cleansing and land-grabbing themselves. And you know what? Those "original" people probably did the same thing at some point. So and so forth all the way through history.

Second, I fail to see the correlation between the actions of European colonists hundreds of years ago and totally opening our borders today to any rabble that wants in.

You seem to implying that all illegal immigrants are Mexican. I'm pretty sure that's not true. I don't think you meant anything by that. I'm just sayin'.

Anyway, if these "Mexicans" as we're calling them want to come to America to pick fruit or whatever, I see no reason whatsoever why they can't do it legally. If you're not a criminal, why sneak in? Why break the law? Why take such a risk? It seems like you're just making things so much harder on yourself than need be. That's really the main thing I take issue with; The flagrant disregard for the laws of the land they apparently want to live in so badly. I have no problem with the people, just their actions. If people want to immigrate legally, then fine! Welcome! Have a nice life! I have no problem at all with that. But you're never going to get me to "okay" people sneaking in illegally. There's simply no justifiable reason for it.

Maybe we could change our immigration process so it's easier. Is it super ****ing hard or something? I honestly don't know. I mean, I'm somewhat familiar with the process, but is it way tougher than in other countries or something? I have no idea how other countries handle it.

Also, my neighbors and I grow (and pick!) our own produce.

Yeah, this is how I know you don't interact much or have any real latino/hispanic friends. In before your brother in law is latino. Lawd.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

Haha wow. Let's just focus on Mexicans. Most of the country is overrun with Narco drug lords and the average Mexican citizen can barely scrape by. You seem to live a sheltered life that involves a lot of FAUX news, but I'll go ahead and inform you that migrating to the USA is not free. If you can barely scrape by in Mexico than how exactly are you supposed to pay all the necessary fees to legally enter this country? Not only that but then they are expected to learn more about this country in English than most Americans have ever learned in 12 years of public school. Now I'm not opposed to them learning our history and neither are most of them but the majority of them can't afford Rosetta Stone or tutors to learn English. So no, it's not just as simple as walking over the border and taking a test

 

[Black Narcissus]

There is a huge line of hipsters waiting to pick strawberries! They already wear the retro clothes and those lame overalls and hats.

 

[Octoberist]

Out of 7 million, you think there are some good folks? That's generous.

Honestly, I think it's best for Americans to take a somewhat lax attitude towards illegal immigration, given that the country is founded on ethnic cleansing and land grabbing. Not to mention exploitation of immigrants. Hell, these Mexicans pick the produce you eat.

Maybe 19 or 20 of those 7 million. ARIMITE? ARMITE?

 

[Sawyer]

Maybe 19 or 20 of those 7 million. ARIMITE? ARMITE?

Slam dunk.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I am Puerto Rican, as such I am a Hispanic American, and as such I would be one even if I were born on the island, which I was not... Well, it was AN island I was born on... LONG ISLAND. But PR's are citizens and have been since the Spanish-American War. I too worry about border security and the like... But the focus is ALWAYS on the wrong group and it is outward when the problem is inward.

Look... You can moralize about the illegals that come over all you want. For myself it comes down to having some human understanding. You have to ask yourself a question: Is there any river you wouldn't swim, desert you wouldn't cross, wall you wouldn't climb ect. if it meant putting food in your own and your children's bellies, clothes on their backs and a roof over their heads? Your answer should be a resounding "No", or else you aren't a fit parent. These are human beings looking for the basics we all want and need. It's hard for me to begrudge them.

All that said, there are issues at play here that aren't even black and white for a boiler plate liberal as myself. For one, we have to see how our country is the root cause of a lot of the problems which cause this illegal immigration. For one, our policy on drugs is a huge factor into why Mexico and Central America are as unstable as they are. Our policy of criminalized narcotics across the board does one thing... Hands on a silver platter immense power and wealth to evil men. Period. That's what prohibition does and it's effects are seen all over our neighbors to the South. That level of instability is an inevitable outcome of our moralistic policy on drugs, and that instability in society and government feeds into our illegal immigration issue.

There is another internal factor... Facts are that these people aren't coming here to feed off the government teat. They come here to work. They come here for JOBS. And... They get those jobs. So... who is to blame for THAT? Huh? Why do we never hear about anyone implicating the businesses that hire undocumented workers? Because if not for that these people wouldn't be coming in the numbers that they do, and no amount of border guards, walls or moats is gonna change that. You would think that the people that complain the loudest would understand that. It's supply and demand. Literally. And as long as illegals know that they can and will find jobs in America they will keep coming and they won't be stopped. They'll figure something out. Catapault, stealth submarine, teleporter... They will find a way around the border.

No, until businesses are brought to task for their abetting the flow of undocumenteds into the country there is no real solution. Interesting that the same party that is the "friend to business" is also the party that demonizes the illegal immigrant population. Me thinks the lady doth protest too much, hmm? Because the business community WANTS illegal immigration. They want a population in the States that they can treat like crap and pay like crap. They come up with sophistry after sophistry as to how they aren't responsible for this being an issue at all, but when it comes down to it they are. Because there is no way these businesses aren't aware they are employing illegal immigrants. NO WAY. No one could be that stupid. They know what they are doing. Well they need to be held accountable and then you will see real change on this. Until they do, expect more two faced talk on this from the supposed Conservatives and Libertarians in the Republican Party and all the other reactionary types that benefit from either the actual presence of illegals in the country or benefit from scaremongering about them.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

*Slow clap*

 

[Soapy]

Yeah, this is how I know you don't interact much or have any real latino/hispanic friends. In before your brother in law is latino. Lawd.

You're right, I don't. But I fail to see how that would change anything if I did. Let's say theoretically that my best friend of many years is an illegal immigrant from Cuba or something. I can like him and think he's a good person, but still think it was wrong to illegally sneak into another country. What's supposed to change? It doesn't have to be black and white.

Let's just focus on Mexicans. Most of the country is overrun with Narco drug lords

Reason numero uno why we should take border security way more seriously.

You seem to live a sheltered life that involves a lot of FAUX news

First off I have to ask, on a scale of 1 to 10 how clever do you think you are when you type "FAUX news"? Because let me tell you, it's just as hilarious the 100th time I've read it as it was the first. Great stuff. Ten outta ten.

Second, sorry, but I don't watch Fox News or any other cable news, as it's all hot garbage.

I'll go ahead and inform you that migrating to the USA is not free. If you can barely scrape by in Mexico than how exactly are you supposed to pay all the necessary fees to legally enter this country?

Well, I mean you're not entitled to live in this country. If you can't afford it, then... Sorry? I guess? Save more money? I don't know what to tell you.

Like I said though, if our immigration process is such a ****ing ordeal, then maybe it should be changed. Again though, I have zero context for how it compares to other countries.

Also, I see no reason at all why we can't make easier to get in legally, but also make it harder to sneak in illegally. Seems like a false dichotomy. Doesn't have to be one or the other.

Maybe 19 or 20 of those 7 million. ARIMITE? ARMITE?

Slam dunk.

Did you even read my post? In the opening lines I specifically mention how I didn't mean only a handful.

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I don't feel like quoting all that BS you just posted but regarding the Narco drug lords they only have power there. You don't see El Chapo making a beeline to the US now that he's free. The smugglers don't make their money living here, they make it doing runs and illegally getting people across the border so they can then blackmail families at home. They aren't the ones coming over working back breaking Labor Day in and out for almost nothing. And for someone who claims not to watch FAUX news you sure are in-line with a lot of garbage they spew. You must find all kinds of non-biased sources on the net to fill your mind with all those lovely ideas huh?

 

[Marvolo]

I do, I just haven't been following Trump as I have no intention of voting for him. However, border security is a divisive issue for some reason, and being a Republican I assumed Trump was in favor of it. I wasn't aware of any specific comments he made.



Sure. "When Mexico sends its people" to me sounds like he's referring to legal immigrants, in which case his comments are way out of line. However, if he's referring to illegal immigrants, his comments may be crass, but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch about it. I'm sure some illegals are good folks. However I also feel like it's smart to be at least suspicious of people who think the law of the country they want to immigrate to doesn't apply to them and sneak into it instead of immigrating legally like everyone else.

I've lived around and worked with illegal immigrants most of my life and they are no different from you or me. Most are nicer and more hard working than the full blooded Americans I've worked with and been around. One thing is for sure a lot of illegal immigrants don't take this country and it's opportunities for granted like we spoiled Americans so frequently do.

And if you had any clue about how hard it is and how expensive it is to immigrate to America the legal way and what is required to acquire a green card you would be a lot more forgiving of poor central Americans having to find other ways into the country. They are coming here because they are already struggling where they live. They can't afford to compound that by spending the thousands of dollars required to begin the process of emigrating from central America to the U.S. the legal way. And there is no refund if they are denied. So they can sink thousands of US dollars and years of their lives into the immigration process and be denied and that money is just gone, and they never get those years back.


Many illegal immigrants want to do it the legal way, but can't because they came here illegally and would be deported for even trying to become a legal citizen and some simply can't afford the bureaucratic BS currently required to become a citizen. And others have tried to get here legally only to be denied for some petty reason which has resulted in them coming here the only way they could : the illegal way.

And illegal immigrants do so much for the farming, fruit, and vegetable industries in this country that they've earned the right to not be referred to as raping drug smuggling criminals.

It's easy to set in a nice house or apartment with a fridge and plumbing and cabinets of food and AC and heating and judge them. It might be time to try to put yourself in the shoes of the average Central American and see if you wouldn't do the same thing.

 

[Schlosser85]

No country in the world just lets anyone and everyone move there willy nilly. You can be fine with legal immigrants and opposed to illegal immigration without hating Latinos, FYI.

 

[Black Narcissus]

You're right, I don't. .

I knew this was the case. I think you would have a different opinion if it hit closer to home, but cest la vie.

To each their own, breh.

 

[Black Narcissus]

No country in the world just lets anyone and everyone move there willy nilly. You can be fine with legal immigrants and opposed to illegal immigration without hating Latinos, FYI.

Absolutely, if only Trump had said that.

 

[Black Narcissus]

No country in the world just lets anyone and everyone move there willy nilly. You can be fine with legal immigrants and opposed to illegal immigration without hating Latinos, FYI.

You ain't gonna make my gal's parents go back, breh. You can meet me at a popeyes parking lot if you feel jelly.

 

[Marvolo]

The problem I have with Americans and their indignation about immigrants is that this country's landmass can accommodate a lot more people. And we throw away a ridiculous amount of food that could accommodate a lot more people. And our government wastes a lot of money that could support many more people.

Just regarding the food we waste, John Oliver did a piece Sunday about Americans wasting food. He reported that Americans throw away billions of dollars worth of food every year. The amount of perfectly good food that we trash each year could fill 730 football stadiums. And I am just as guilty as everyone else.

My point is that if we all made even the littlest sacrifice or America changed some of its wasteful habits it could accommodate a whole hell of a lot more immigrants. And given what scientists have projected worldwide population to reach in this century, one way or another, this country is going to have to learn to accommodate a lot more people and make sacrifices and change our ways whether we like it or not.

 

[Lead Cenobite]

Were Trump's comments directed at all Mexican immigrants or illegal immigrants in particular?

 

[Leafar the Lost]

I've lived around and worked with illegal immigrants most of my life and they are no different from you or me. Most are nicer and more hard working than the full blooded Americans I've worked with and been around. One thing is for sure a lot of illegal immigrants don't take this country and it's opportunities for granted like we spoiled Americans so frequently do.

And if you had any clue about how hard it is and how expensive it is to immigrate to America the legal way and what is required to acquire a green card you would be a lot more forgiving of poor central Americans having to find other ways into the country. They are coming here because they are already struggling where they live. They can't afford to compound that by spending the thousands of dollars required to begin the process of emigrating from central America to the U.S. the legal way. And there is no refund if they are denied. So they can sink thousands of US dollars and years of their lives into the immigration process and be denied and that money is just gone, and they never get those years back.


Many illegal immigrants want to do it the legal way, but can't because they came here illegally and would be deported for even trying to become a legal citizen and some simply can't afford the bureaucratic BS currently required to become a citizen. And others have tried to get here legally only to be denied for some petty reason which has resulted in them coming here the only way they could : the illegal way.

And illegal immigrants do so much for the farming, fruit, and vegetable industries in this country that they've earned the right to not be referred to as raping drug smuggling criminals.

It's easy to set in a nice house or apartment with a fridge and plumbing and cabinets of food and AC and heating and judge them. It might be time to try to put yourself in the shoes of the average Central American and see if you wouldn't do the same thing.

I co-sign this.