"The Walking Dead" developed by Frank Darabont and AMC - Part 4

[Tonicky]

Where does the 2nd hard cover end? To me she does esp since she basically becomes Ricks right hand (wo)man and is often their best line of defense.

It ends after the fist fight between Tyreese and Rick, when Rick says "We are the walking dead"

 

[antsman41]

I hate that they brought in the whole "Lori doesn't agree with Rick on killing a normal man" and "Dale freaking out about losing humanity" during this episode, when it involved Tyrese and the prison...

 

[Infinity9999x]

Darabont's firing left a wake that has obviously affected some of the actors due to AMC's constraints which then affects the writers. Frank leaving isn't the issue...the events that lead to it are. When Frank got fired I knew season 2 had an uphill battle. Hopefully season 3 and the prison up the quality but season 2 compared to season 1 is weak. Maybe they should have stuck to 6-8 eps a season, instead some of these eps are just worthless.

I've personally enjoyed it. And honestly, if each season starts off as slow as 2, but has as good a payoff as the midseason break ep of 2 and the way it seems S2 is going to end, I would gladly take that.

Honestly, compared to most other shows out there, the worst Episodes of TWD are still leagues above them.

 

[SpideyForPrez]

I can not believe they killed Dale. I was on the edge of my seat last night with my hands clasped to my mouth saying "No...no, no no... NOOOOOOO!" when that zombie jumped him. Having read the comics, I did not expect him to bite the dust so early. But at the same time I like that they divert from the comics, so those of us who have read the comics still get some surprises. Dale will be missed. I wonder if someone else will step up and be the voice of morality with him gone.

I was a bit disappointed that Daryl's "Sorry, brother." line was to Dale. I figured it would be to Merle in some way. I also found it odd that Daryl didn't think to ask Randall if his brother might be among his group. Guess he's given up on him.

Anyone else think that they should cut the number of episodes down for the next season? I think this season would have benefited from fewer episodes since the first half was so boring but the second's been action packed.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I hate that they brought in the whole "Lori doesn't agree with Rick on killing a normal man" and "Dale freaking out about losing humanity" during this episode, when it involved Tyrese and the prison...

Which also robbed Andrea of having to kill another person she loves.

 

[DIRECTOR]

I think that Zombie set up a trap, didn't kill the cow, let the cow moan, and when humans come by to check it out, than attack

Smart Zombie
Sorry Dale

 

[craigdbfan]

He also took stealth lessons from Batman. So Dale was ****ed regardless.

 

[Evelisse]

cow should have been locked in the barn, people have been walking around that farm like there was a twenty foot electrified fence separating them from the Walkers

 

[Tonicky]

He also took stealth lessons from Batman. So Dale was ****ed regardless.

At 1st I thought Batman was going to appear behind Dale asking if Dent could be trusted.

cow should have been locked in the barn, people have been walking around that farm like there was a twenty foot electrified fence separating them from the Walkers

Yea they really let there guard down and I think they may pay for it with a few lives...Dale is prob just the first of a few....14 people won't fit in the get away RV.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

At 1st I thought Batman was going to appear behind Dale asking if Dent could be trusted.

This:
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although you can replace "swear" with "lunch"

 

[Marvolo]

Let's be real, even if I accept the finger bone theory, it still doesnt give him Wolverine's claws. Not to mention, he didnt slash Dale across the belly, he basically just ripped him open like Mola Ram, which was more a display of strength than anything.

As you've said, I do accept the dead rising on the show and that's their reality, but you've got to play within your own rules. Therefor, if you have a pretty rotted zombie who lacked the strength to get himself out of mud, to then show him taking down a full grown cattle by himself and then "Batman-ing" Dale and gutting him like a trout seems a bit silly.

With a bony claw finger it could push it through the belly button of a victim dig its hand in, and easily stretch the skin far enough to get another hand in. Once that hand was in it could rip a persons belly open. Its not that far fetched. A normal human being could rip another person open with enough will, tennacity, and long nails. Key is to start at the belly button which is exactly what that zombie did.

Also, in some zombie lore it is said that zombies adrenaline glands are in over drive which would give them more strength. Similar to stories of mothers lifting cars off their children. Another thing to consider, human beings have the capability of being stronger than full grown gorillas and apes, but it only happens in times of crisis when adrenaline is pumping hard. You don't see feats of strength like this on regualar intervals, because the blood required for our muscles to function on that level and the chemicals required can blow out a human's heart. Our Central Nervous System keeps us restrained with safety checks. Zombies do not have those safety checks. Their bodies are in over drive. Factor all this in and you have a creature that could easily tear open a stomach.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

With a bony claw finger it could push it through the belly button of a victim dig its hand in, and easily stretch the skin far enough to get another hand in. Once that hand was in it could rip a persons belly open. Its not that far fetched. A normal human being could rip another person open with enough will, tennacity, and long nails. Key is to start at the belly button which is exactly what that zombie did.

Oh, It's pretty far-fetched. You do realize that there's an entire layer of fat (in Dale's case) and abdominal muscle in between the skin on the stomach and your intestinal track? Your stomach isnt covered by a pudding skin for cripe's sake. Unless that zombie held his finger to a grinder in the barn and sharpened it like a scalpel he's not gutting a conscious, struggling human that easily.

Also, in some zombie lore it is said that zombies adrenaline glands are in over drive which would give them more strength. Similar to stories of mothers lifting cars off their children. Another thing to consider, human beings have the capability of being stronger than full grown gorillas and apes, but it only happens in times of crisis when adrenaline is pumping hard. You don't see feats of strength like this on regualar intervals, because the blood required for our muscles to function on that level and the chemicals required can blow out a human's heart. Our Central Nervous System keeps us restrained with safety checks. Zombies do not have those safety checks. Their bodies are in over drive. Factor all this in and you have a creature that could easily tear open a stomach.

yet "zombie overdrive" wasnt working when he was stuck in a mud hole for 15 minutes as Carl threw rocks at him from 3 feet away?

Again, my only gripe, is if you're gonna make the zombies strong, killing machines, then make them that all the time. Don't weaken them to the point they get felled by swamp mud in one scene, and then hours later have the same exact one doing solo takedowns on cattle and ripping people's limbs off.

 

[Marvolo]

Oh, It's pretty far-fetched. You do realize that there's an entire layer of fat (in Dale's case) and abdominal muscle in between the skin on the stomach and your intestinal track? Your stomach isnt covered by a pudding skin for cripe's sake. Unless that zombie held his finger to a grinder in the barn and sharpened it like a scalpel he's not gutting a conscious, struggling human that easily.

yet "zombie overdrive" wasnt working when he was stuck in a mud hole for 15 minutes as Carl threw rocks at him from 3 feet away?

Again, my only gripe, is if you're gonna make the zombies strong, killing machines, then make them that all the time. Don't weaken them to the point they get felled by swamp mud in one scene, and then hours later have the same exact one doing solo takedowns on cattle and ripping people's limbs off.

Yeah I know how the human gut is designed. A bony finger is like a stake. With enough pressure you could puncture the belly button. Then it would claw its way through the fat into the gut sac then its all over. Once the finger punctures the gut, hand goes in, and out comes intestine.They went for gore instead of how it would have really looked. He wouldn't have been torn open like that. It would have spread the area around his belly button and intestine would have been pulled through that. They went for that chewed hamburger look. It would have also taken more time.

And about it being stuck in the mud. Go get stuck in swamp mud. That mud is deep and works like quick sand. You generally sink further than that one did too. Once you are in it is damn near impossible to get out even if you've got help. So regardless of whether that zombie had super strength or not the fact he got out of the mud is just as unrealistic to me as it is him ripping dale open. If I had semi sharp fingertips I could get my hand in someones gut, but I would have never gotten out of that mud. Plus, Dale should have been able to role that zombie off him or at least role on top of it. Of course, he was panicking tho.

This is all Carl's fault. Damn dumbass kid wondering around and his dumbass parents letting him.

 

[marcvader]

The other thing to consider is the poor integrity and strength of rotting and decomposing tissue. The muscles, tendons, and ligaments shouldnt get stronger as time goes on.

 

[Marvolo]

The other thing to consider is the poor integrity and strength of rotting and decomposing tissue. The muscles, tendons, and ligaments shouldnt get stronger as time goes on.

This is the best argument against it, but it also makes the whole premise of zombies being a legitimate threat at all implausible. At first they would be, but after a few months of decay they would be much of a threat.

 

[marcvader]

To me they're a threat in numbers only really or they have freshly become one. Otherwise I think a normal adult should be able to handle your run of the mill walker, especially one looking as ripe as the one that got Dale.

 

[Guhndoi]

So I guess we won't see the "Tainted Meat" scene. Unless they use someone else.

 

[TwoOfAKind]

My only gripe with this episode is how Lori and Rick can't even keep an eye on Carl and Shane of all people is the one giving him life lessons.

 

[chaseter]

This is the best argument against it, but it also makes the whole premise of zombies being a legitimate threat at all implausible. At first they would be, but after a few months of decay they would be much of a threat.

Totally. To me, any zombie apocalypse would be over after a year or so as the mass amounts of walkers would have decomposed and fallen apart with only the occasional freshly dead walker. Then you have scavenger animals like rats, bugs, and birds taking care of them as well.

 

[antsman41]

My only gripe with this episode is how Lori and Rick can't even keep an eye on Carl and Shane of all people is the one giving him life lessons.

Lori is a bad mother and a terrible human being...

 

[chaseter]

Humans aren't stronger than apes and women can't lift cars....even with adrenaline.

 

[marcvader]

Totally. To me, any zombie apocalypse would be over after a year or so as the mass amounts of walkers would have decomposed and fallen apart with only the occasional freshly dead walker. Then you have scavenger animals like rats, bugs, and birds taking care of them as well.

And this is why you need to hold on to humanity as long as you could. You need to try to outlive this apocalypse and reorganize and rebuild at some point and not just settle for thunderdome mentality forever.

 

[Marvolo]

Humans aren't stronger than apes and women can't lift cars....even with adrenaline.

Found this regarding the subject:
Human strength has to do with endurance. The other apes have a lot of fast-twitch, glycogen rich muscle mass, which gives a lot of power, but runs out of energy quickly.

Our muscles are built for long-term activity. No other species of ape could hope to run a marathon, nor could they swing a hammer for hours on end or even walk long distances the way humans can.

Someone feel free to correct if that info is wrong.
And human beings have performed great feats of strength that exceeds lifting a car. Not all humans can, but there are the rare cases that it happens.

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

Didn't expect [BLACKOUT]Dale to die so soon[/BLACKOUT], I'm going to miss him greatly. This episode is yet another step in the right direction. Although, one weak spot in it was the somewhat erratic behavior from Carl. I didn't like it one bit.

 

[Marvolo]

And this is why you need to hold on to humanity as long as you could. You need to try to outlive this apocalypse and reorganize and rebuild at some point and not just settle for thunderdome mentality forever.

Problem is that in that year, faction governments in small areas would rise up, and the government and military would collapse in the panic. The global economy would collapse, and crop production would disappear for a while. Even if the zombies were only a threat for a year the fallout could very well leave the world in a thunderdome mentality. Zombies aren't the only threat in a zombie apocalypse. Even if your small group held onto their humanity the majority probably wouldn't. I know that is no excuse to abandon your humanity, but in a world with no rules your own morals only matter as much as the next man's as far as your own survival goes. You may not want to execute the kid, but in the next town his buddies might not be so kind. Its a sticky situation all around, and is essentially a survival versus morality society.