The "World of Heroes" DC RPG Season IV Signup/OOC Thread

[Harlekin]

Because each season is essentially a clean slate. That's like asking why you should even bother with the application. It takes a clean five to ten minutes at best. Big deal.

 

[SuperFerret]

Wow...normally I'd step in and say something but I think in this case...

I'm gonna let my AGM dig himself out of the rut.

What rut? There is no rut?

Two people don't understand why it's not fair to allow people to use older posts, that's all.

I'm not budging on this. This is what the application hinges on. I couldn't give two ****s about the three reasons, or how you heard about the game, but if the new people can't write a decent post they're not accepted. AND in the spirit of fairness, we cannot favor the older players over the potential new blood, we treat them fairly and equally.


One more thing: After I posted the application change, I sent a copy over to Midnight Ice in the Marvel RPG. He said he liked it, but I don't know if he'll use it, or how he'll rule it, but whatever his decision is, it will not affect us over here.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Not really. People always repost the same application over again if they are playing the same character. Now I understand this app is new, and I am not saying I will not fill it out, but it is stupid that we have to write a sample post if we are playing the same character. This will be the last time I will repeat that line. I said it five times already and it is getting me no where.

 

[wiegeabo]

I'm not sure if I'm a believer in veterans posting a sample on the app (maybe if we're changing characters).

And I don't much buy the fairness clause because I think the fairness should go the other way. I don't see the question being why veterans should be excused from posting a sample when newbies have to. I see the question as: Why should newbies be accepted without a proving post when the vets already have (a couple of seasons of) posts proving how good they are?

 

[Harlekin]

Not really. People always repost the same application over again if they are playing the same character. Now I understand this app is new, and I am not saying I will not fill it out, but it is stupid that we have to write a sample post if we are playing the same character. This will be the last time I will repeat that line. I said it five times already and it is getting me no where.

Which is pretty silly in itself. Creative people that are too lazy to fill in a new application geared towards giving a creative answer.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Wiegeabo said it better then I did. It is silly for veteran's playing the same character to have to have a new sample post.

 

[Green Lantern]

GL, sorry about not including you in the decision, but mostly it was mine. Yes, I showed it to Twy right before I posted it, but that was because she's the Head GM.

Trusty, how fair is it if we make only the new people write up short sample posts? Not at all, everyone here is treated equally, and it's unfair to allow existing players to use past posts because they'll be putting less effort into the application. (And remember, everyone has to re-apply at the beginning of each season.)

I still don't see why veteran players shouldn't get a bit of an advantage. If they've proven that they stick through a season or more, and in that season have shown that they have a good grasp of their character, why shouldn't they be allowed a slight shortcut at the beginning of the season. I'm not saying it will be hard to do a sample post, but when you have 142 sample posts readily at your disposal, why shouldn't you be able to use them? Personally I'd rather wait until the season begins to start showing new arcs, or new interactions.

I can understand (somewhat) if they are going to play a new character completely, that you'd want to see their grasp on it. But requiring them to post a new sample for their old character's kinda pointless I think. It detracts from the time they could be making a new post in the current season to get it finished, especially when the season is on a timeline like this one.

It's unfair for older posters to post an old post because they will not be putting as much effort into making the application as the new players.

Again, that should be an advantage of being a veteran. In the military, do you stay a private after being on the front lines of several wars? No, you get promoted and more perks, and responsibilities. You aren't asked to prove yourself again and again.

And here comes my question, one that seemingly none that oppose this have been able to answer, but why wouldn't you? It's really riducilious, a group of writers that are asking why they should write something.

Its not that I don't want to write (and the reason I didn't answer before is that I had fallen back asleep, I've been sleeping pretty rough the past few nights, haven't been in bed before 4 in almost a week...) It's that I want what I write to be important to my story, heck if I do do a new sample post, I won't apply for next season until the current one is completely done, so that I can use my sample as my first Season V post. I don't want to avoid writing, I want to avoid writing needlessly.

 

[trustyside-kick]

And here comes my question, one that seemingly none that oppose this have been able to answer, but why wouldn't you? It's really riducilious, a group of writers that are asking why they should write something.

I answered my reason for your question on post #5141.

 

[twylight]

What rut? There is no rut?

Two people don't understand why it's not fair to allow people to use older posts, that's all.

I'm not budging on this. This is what the application hinges on. I couldn't give two ****s about the three reasons, or how you heard about the game, but if the new people can't write a decent post they're not accepted. AND in the spirit of fairness, we cannot favor the older players over the potential new blood, we treat them fairly and equally.


One more thing: After I posted the application change, I sent a copy over to Midnight Ice in the Marvel RPG. He said he liked it, but I don't know if he'll use it, or how he'll rule it, but whatever his decision is, it will not affect us over here.

 

[trustyside-kick]

...It's that I want what I write to be important to my story,...

I feel a same way...forgot to add that to my big post from before. However, I explained why in my big post why I couldn't just have it be a sneak peak.

 

[Harlekin]

I answered my reason for your question on post #5141.

#5144 for my response.

It doesn't need to be a sneak peek. Do a flashback. Flesh something out about your character you don't necessarily have to use in your arc. Like I said, take something from the comics that was never chronicled. Stuff like that.

As for Green Lantern, sorry to hear about your sleeping problems, but I don't see how any writing is ever actually needless. I thought we all wanted to get better at writing and enjoyed writing and all that crap, so to actually have an incentive to delve into something that might not (or rather, doesn't have to) be directly related to what you're doing with your character right now, would be a great little thing. Guess I was wrong.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Well...I have thought about what I could possibly do as a flashback and still in be continuity of my plans...it would be like a prologue to what occurs in Season 5. But the problem is I would have to get to a certain point in my story before Season 4 ends. I do not want to have to rush myself just for some sample post you guys are demanding on the application.

 

[Charlie No-One]

I don't see the point of writing a useless post if we already have one, but if we have <insert random big number> posts, who would notice anyway if we used a new or old one? Seriously, you say what is the big deal about writing a paragraph? I say, what is the deal of using an old one?

 

[Harlekin]

Well...I have thought about what I could possibly do as a flashback and still in be continuity of my plans...it would be like a prologue to what occurs in Season 5. But the problem is I would have to get to a certain point in my story before Season 4 ends. I do not want to have to rush myself just for some sample post you guys are demanding on the application.

Or you do something else? Again, like I said, I wouldn't see anything wrong with a Todd with Robin sample. Include relevant foreshadowing to how he ends up in the RPG, either now or in the further future.

 

[Harlekin]

I don't see the point of writing a useless post if we already have one, but if we have <insert random big number> posts, who would notice anyway if we used a new or old one? Seriously, you say what is the big deal about writing a paragraph? I say, what is the deal of using an old one?

Again, there's this feeling that it's useless. Nothing you write is ever useless. Also, it doesn't HAVE to be useless. There are a million roads to travel here, and you're all ignoring them in favour of one or two.

 

[Speedball]

Is Jason in Metropolis yet?
I'd like to get into a little "confrontation" with Todd.
edit- NVM...
he's in Gotham.

 

[Green Lantern]

But see, I want every little thing I do with my character to be related to whats going on with him, in some way or another. If I do a flashback it would be much like the flashback posts I've done this season, where it goes between now and then and back. If I do an upcoming post, I'm going to use that post.

 

[SuperFerret]

You want to know the biggest gripe I have about this game? Seriously.

It's the large amount of great DC characters that are not being played.

Aquaman, Black Adam, Oracle, Darksied, Firestorm, Cyborg, nearly the entire JSA, all haven't been played in a long while (if at all).

I'm trying to bring more characters, more stories to this game. Remember the two-character debate? It was partly my suggestion. I thought, maybe if people would be allowed two characters the universe would expand beyond the JLA and it's big villains.

I made this new application to help weed out new players that may disrupt the game with bad posts.

My point here is this:

Giving the veteran players this particular advantage is elitist. It's saying "we don't want to write up something new, I've already been here for a while, so why should I be treated like the new guy?" That's my view of it.

If you want to recycle your old posts, fine. I just don't care anymore. Hey, why don't you just use the old application? Or maybe we should go back to the good old days where someone can post in the IC thread "I wanna play Aquaman!" and get accepted.

If you want to use an old post, and you decide to use your "best" post (however you classify it as the best), I have this to say: A writer's skill is not measured by their best work, but by their worst.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Is Jason in Metropolis yet?
I'd like to get into a little "confrontation" with Todd.

He started in Metropolis way before you all got there (my first 2 posts from like 2 months ago or something) and fought Booster in Star City. He is currently in Gotham.

Also, even though it would be nice...I would prefer Jason not confront you or anyone close to Batman like that (except for what I have planned in Season 5).

 

[Charlie No-One]

Again, there's this feeling that it's useless. Nothing you write is ever useless. Also, it doesn't HAVE to be useless. There are a million roads to travel here, and you're all ignoring them in favour of one or two.

How far can you possibly go with a paragraph or two that doesn't count in the actual RPG? Be honest here.

 

[Green Lantern]

Again, there's this feeling that it's useless. Nothing you write is ever useless. Also, it doesn't HAVE to be useless. There are a million roads to travel here, and you're all ignoring them in favour of one or two.

It doesn't have to be useless, no. But if we were to write it JUST for use as a sample, what use would it have? Thats why I'll wait until I know everything that happened to my character this season, so I can use my sample AS an in season post. It looks like thats what Supergirl is planning to do with hers if you read her sample.

 

[Harlekin]

But see, I want every little thing I do with my character to be related to whats going on with him, in some way or another. If I do a flashback it would be much like the flashback posts I've done this season, where it goes between now and then and back. If I do an upcoming post, I'm going to use that post.

Then, like I said, do something as foreshadowing as I suggested with Todd and Robin. Show Roy as Speedy, giving foreshadowing to actions he took this season. Imagine as if you just finished the season on the 'Roy-is-a-junkie'-story (so this would be in the DC RPG back in the 70s). In your sample, you could write an early Speedy post where he wonders about the effects of drugs. Foreshadowing that ties in loosely with what has happened.

 

[Charlie No-One]

You want to know the biggest gripe I have about this game? Seriously.

It's the large amount of great DC characters that are not being played.

Aquaman, Black Adam, Oracle, Darksied, Firestorm, Cyborg, nearly the entire JSA, all haven't been played in a long while (if at all).

I'm trying to bring more characters, more stories to this game. Remember the two-character debate? It was partly my suggestion. I thought, maybe if people would be allowed two characters the universe would expand beyond the JLA and it's big villains.

I made this new application to help weed out new players that may disrupt the game with bad posts.

My point here is this:

Giving the veteran players this particular advantage is elitist. It's saying "we don't want to write up something new, I've already been here for a while, so why should I be treated like the new guy?" That's my view of it.

If you want to recycle your old posts, fine. I just don't care anymore. Hey, why don't you just use the old application? Or maybe we should go back to the good old days where someone can post in the IC thread "I wanna play Aquaman!" and get accepted.

If you want to use an old post, and you decide to use your "best" post (however you classify it as the best), I have this to say: A writer's skill is not measured by their best work, but by their worst.

For god sakes, we are not saying we are better than anyone or that we want the application to be changed. We are saying that is useless and stupid that if you are going to be playing the same character, why should you have to create a new post? I see how it helps cut down bad posters and such, and I also see how it helps to see if a vet who wants to take a different character has the right grasp on that character, but we are not changing characters or new posters.

 

[Charlie No-One]

Then, like I said, do something as foreshadowing as I suggested with Todd and Robin. Show Roy as Speedy, giving foreshadowing to actions he took this season. Imagine as if you just finished the season on the 'Roy-is-a-junkie'-story (so this would be in the DC RPG back in the 70s). In your sample, you could write an early Speedy post where he wonders about the effects of drugs. Foreshadowing that ties in loosely with what has happened.

Why though? The post doesn't count.

 

[Harlekin]

How far can you possibly go with a paragraph or two that doesn't count in the actual RPG? Be honest here.

You know the easy solution to this? Make it count. It doesn't have to be out of contuinity, but it can be. And I'm not talking about just reposting it. I will definitely be treating my sample post as how the event occured, but then again, my sample won't be impacting what I'll be doing next season.