The "World of Heroes" DC RPG Season IV Signup/OOC Thread

I guess you have a point. With some of the gangs answering to him, he can make the city a little better. And with all of them answering to him, he can make it alot better.
 
Exactly. As Harvey Dent, he wanted to make Gotham City a better place by doing the right thing, by bringing down crime and replacing it with a system of law and order. That failed spectacularly when Two-Face was created. So now, he's going to try making Gotham City better by beating the crooks at their own game.
 
Keyser Soze said:
Depends on how he's written. When it's handled at its best, Two-Face becomes a crime boss himself because he believes that - with him as the sole head of organised crime in the city - he can keep it under control. Plus, if he has a monopoly over all the crime in the city, no more innocents will die in gang wars. And so what if he has to kill a whole bunch of people to get what he wants? It's all a means to an end...

So, basically, he's like Bendis' DD as Kingpin? :o
 
Yes, but much more violent and more prone to mood swings.
 
MaskedManJRK said:
...HOW THE F**K WHY?!!? :( :down
I am relying on people to help my arc with Ra’s and that just involves a lot of waiting and few posts. Thats why I considered it, but it seems I may not have to wait for anymore…
 
The Question said:
Well, I utterly loath the yellow fear demon cop out with a burning white hot intensity that dwarfs the combined hatred that Lex Luthor has for Superman and The Red Skull has for Captain America. But, you're use of it was rather creative. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to write a scathing letter to Geoff Johns about how the yellow fear demon was utterly lazy writing on his part.

preaching to the choir dude. fear demon negated what could have been some brilliant redemption storylines. sign my name on that letter; john's can write some stuff, but his Green Lantern is fanboy's attempt at best :down
 
Exactly. In the Hal Jordan Spectre series (which kicked so much ass, by the way), they had these great stories with Hal trying to redeem himself by actually defying the natural order of teh cosmos and turn The Spectre into an angel of redemption, rather than vengance. Now, all of that is meaningless because "a fear demon did it". WHile by that point Hal had been redeemed in the eyes of the readers, they could have had some great stories wwith him trying to redeem himself in the eyes of the Gaurdians and his fellow GLs and the Justice League. What made Kyle's series great is that it had major themes. Living under someone else's shadow. Carrying on a legacy. Trying to live up to the expectations of others. Hal's new series could have been great with themes of forgiveness and redemption. But alas, it is now nothing more than a generic super hero book.
 
Sign my name to that letter too. I can't stand Hal. Just because a fear demon did it, he thinks he can be "Duex Ex Machina" Batman and punch people for the hell of it because of it.
 
Well, Batman was being pretty anoying in that scene, you have to admit.


But anyway, I just sent a letter to Wizard to put in their letters section about how Batman has been written to powerful recently (where I know a DC writer will answer it if they decide to print it). I'm fairly certain they'll run it because it's rather well thought out. After the next issue of Wizard (or the one after), I'll write one about the fear demon thing.
 
The Question said:
Well, Batman was being pretty anoying in that scene, you have to admit.


But anyway, I just sent a letter to Wizard to put in their letters section about how Batman has been written to powerful recently (where I know a DC writer will answer it if they decide to print it). I'm fairly certain they'll run it because it's rather well thought out. After the next issue of Wizard (or the one after), I'll write one about the fear demon thing.

I don't remember that scene in perfect detail, so I can't say anything.

Can you show us your letter? I'm interested in reading it. :)
 
I'll PM it to you.


EDIT: They won't let me PM it, so I'll just post it here if no one minds.


Dear Magic words.....

Hi there. Now, normally, you guys probably get letters and e-mails asking questions or making statements about how cool a book is or how weak a book is. This falls into the latter category, after a fashion. I’m not here to complain about a single comic. I’m here to voice my opinion about how one character has been treated in the past several years. A character who’s been skewed and written poorly on many occasion in the past several years. Batman.

Now, before you start scratching your heads in confusion, I don’t think Batman has been written with no respect. Quite the opposite. I think he’s been written with far too much respect. Now, I know most fanboys right now are going "dude, why does this stupid kid hate Batman?". But you know what? I really don’t care. So hear me out.

Batman is supposed to be a human being with training. Therefor, you would think that the writers would portray him and his achievements somewhere within the realm of possibility. And, for a while, this was the case. With writers like Denny O’Neal and Frank Miller and Jeff Loeb, he seemed like a human being. A highly skilled human being? Yes. But a human being none the less. However, in the past ten to fifteen years, this has not been the case. We have seen him become the master of 127 martial arts on the planet, go up against four White Martians, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman in hand to hand combat (and not die), design and build a dart that can induce light speed seizures and a virtual reality device that can plug directly into the human nervous system, synthesize Red Kryptonite, chemically engineer a gas that can make you specifically afraid of water, and design and build a self aware satellite that can spy on any metahuman on the planet, judge what they are doing is moral or immoral, and then judge them properly and send the data back to Batman. Now, all of this would be understandable if it had been done by lesser writers. But no. These events were written by Grant Morrison, Mark Waid, and Greg Rucka. And those were just a few examples. Now, I don’t hate these guys. Hell, they’re three of my favorites. Animal Man is brilliant, Rucka has crafted some of the best Wonder Woman and Superman stories in years, and Legion is just great. And yet, when it comes to writing displays of Batman’s skill, all three of them, along with many other DC writers, seem to turn into sugar-high kindergardeners who want their favorite hero to be the most badass mofo in the universe.

Why, I ask? Why the need to make Batman appear superhuman in stature? Why the need to pit him against people who he logically would lose to in a straight one on one brawl, and then either dumb down the abilities of the opponents or have Batman pull some new ability out of his ass? His defeat of the four White Martians is a prime example of this. First of all, Batman based his whole master plan on a hunch. He had no solid evidence to go on that proved the Hyperclan were Martians. Really, he was risking his life on a gut feeling, instead of doing the smart thing which would have been to call in the reserves. Second, the fight. Martians are by nature, telepaths and shape shifters. Thus, they are nigh impossible to beat in head on combat. Grant Morrison himself even wrote that Martian Manhunter can read the mind of his opponent, judge what there next move is going to be, and alter his body accordingly. The White Martians as a militaristic race. Thus, the Hyperclan, whoI would think are soldiers since they are carrying out such a big mission, would be specifically trained in using their natural abilities in combat. Logically, the Hyperclan would have read Batman’s mind, realized that he was going to do the fire/gasoline trick, and would have then tore him limb from limb at super speed before he could do anything. But that didn’t happen. The powers and abilities of his oponents were dumbed down for the sake of Batman looking cooler. Is that right? Hardly. But it’s the way it’s been with Batman on many occasion. The same thing as happened with Batman VS. A.M.A.Z.O (courtesy of Judd Winick), Batman VS. Three O.M.A.C.s (courtesy of Greg Rucka), and Batman VS. Deathstroke (courtesy of Chuck Dixon). Do I think thsese writers are bad? NO! I think all the names I have mentioned are great writers. But they’ve all written Batman horribly at one point or another. I know DC wants one of their flagship heroes to look super cool, but enough is enough. Batman is supposed to be a human being with training. No human being could do all of the things mentioned here.

So, DC, I’m asking you to stop letting Batman be written like this. You’re not writing him like the pinnacle of what a human being could achieve with the proper training. You’re writing him like a bloody metahuman. I know some readers like these "WOW!" moments that make Batman look hella cool, but you have to see. Having Batman doing this crap isn’t cool. It’s lazy writing. It’s having a character do things he shouldn’t be able to do for the sake of making him look cool, instead of taking the time to figure out what he would actually be capable of in this situation and how he would handle it. That, in my opinion at least, would be FAR cooler. So please, DC, bring back the Batman that he was always supposed to be. Bring back the Batman who was a skilled, flawed, mildly crazy human. No more of this "bat god" who has come of late. I’m sick of him, and I know I’m not the only person who feels that way.

Thank you for giving me my say, Wizard.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly. If a character's main selling point among readers is that "he could be you or me because he's just a human being up against more powerful foes," it takes away from that so-called "human vulnerability" when his opponents are dumbed down for the sake of making Batman look cooler.

Good luck with the letter.
 
Just a note to Watchman,

I apologise for not acknowledging Scarecrow earlier. Just noticed that little detail in re-reading your Scarecrow post. I was going to have The Joker's gang head off to keystone City to visit a certain simian friend, but I'll have them take a detour to Bludhaven first...
 
Well, I think White Martians are stronger with physical powers, as opposed to the Green Martians being good at telepathy... that is,m until Terror Incognita...
 
That's never been stated at all. And even if it were true, they still would have been able to read Batman's mind.
 
Well, actually, in New World Order, Zum was fatser than J'onn, and the other guys were more powerful physically. BVut J'onn has always been the better telepath, even to the extent of defeating White Martians with mindspikes after they ate the brains in Terror Incognita...

And if the Scarecrow can make fear toxin, why can't Batman? PLus, the vibrabullets and VR devices doesn't have to be built by Bruce... Ra's stole the plans, I believe, and even then, Bruce could have had someone on Wayne Enterprises make it for him...
 
batnkevlar said:
Well, actually, in New World Order, Zum was fatser than J'onn, and the other guys were more powerful physically. BVut J'onn has always been the better telepath, even to the extent of defeating White Martians with mindspikes after they ate the brains in Terror Incognita...

The Hyperclan are trained soldiers. J'onn was a scientist. It would make sense that the Hyperclan would have been psysicaly more powerful. And J'onn didn't make the mindspikes he stabed the white martians with. Protex did.

batnkevlar said:
And if the Scarecrow can make fear toxin, why can't Batman? PLus, the vibrabullets and VR devices doesn't have to be built by Bruce... Ra's stole the plans, I believe, and even then, Bruce could have had someone on Wayne Enterprises make it for him...

1. Scarecrow is supposed to be an expert with halucinagens and how the mind works.

2. I don't think Scarecrow ever made a gass that made someone specifically afraid of a single thing.

3. Tower of Babel showed Bruce building the vibrabullet himself, and it was implied that he designed all the weapons in Tower of Babel himself.
 
We saw Bruce building the vibra-bullet in the cave. Of course he built it.

And as for the possibility that some tech guys at Wayne Industries designed it for him, you need to know that in order to propose for his company to build something for him, the product would need a valid reason to be developed as a cover story for its true intended purpose. What cover story could a vibra-bullet or a neurological virtual-reality implant possibly have?
 
The Hyperclan's trained soldiers, but J'onn is still stronger telepathically...
 
Spike_x1 said:
We saw Bruce building the vibra-bullet in the cave. Of course he built it.

And as for the possibility that some tech guys at Wayne Industries designed it for him, you need to know that in order to propose for his company to build something for him, the product would need a valid reason to be developed as a cover story for its true intended purpose. What cover story could a vibra-bullet or a neurological virtual-reality implant possibly have?


Mabey.....


"Mr. Wayne, why do you need us to create a dart that can induce lightspeed seazures and a neurologival virtual-reality implant?"

"Well......you see......some....old friends of mine from college are visiting my place for a party......and.....I.....I promised them the ultimate high, greater than any illegal narcotic they have ever tried before."
 
The Question said:
The thing is, they never showed that at all.

ok, let's go with two possibly options for Terror Incognita: they are known to be stronger phsyically so they're either weaker of stronger mentally.

1) If they were stronger phsyically AND mentally, they wouldn't have lost to J'onn in the operation room.

2) If they were stonger physically and J'onn was stronger mentally, he COULD POTENTIALLY beat them (which he did)
 
batnkevlar said:
ok, let's go with two possibly options for Terror Incognita: they are known to be stronger phsyically so they're either weaker of stronger mentally.

1) If they were stronger phsyically AND mentally, they wouldn't have lost to J'onn in the operation room.

2) If they were stonger physically and J'onn was stronger mentally, he COULD POTENTIALLY beat them (which he did)


I didn't say they were stronger mentally. I'm just saying that not all White Martians are weaker mentally than J'onn. The two he beat in the operating room may have been weaker than him, or may have been his equals. The two who were gaurding him may have simply underestimated him. Either way, it doesn't matter if they're weaker, as string, or stringer than J'onn in terms of psychic ability. They still whould have been able to read Bruce's mind.
 
The Question said:
I didn't say they were stronger mentally. I'm just saying that not all White Martians are weaker mentally than J'onn. The two he beat in the operating room may have been weaker than him, or may have been his equals. The two who were gaurding him may have simply underestimated him. Either way, it doesn't matter if they're weaker, as string, or stringer than J'onn in terms of psychic ability. They still whould have been able to read Bruce's mind.

Ok then, think about this. If you come back from a tiresome day and right when you hit the matress you'll fall asleep. NOw if you turn your radio up FULL BLAST, you won't fall asleep. I mean, the Martians were worried about Batman... they didn't have the will to do anything telepathically... who knows...
 
.....what? How is the radio thing even an apt metaphor? Logically, the Martians would have read Batman's mind to see what he was up to. It's not like it's hard for them. It's like an extra sense to them.
 

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